Struggle / Survive
Struggle deals damage to target creature equal to the number of lands you control.
Aftermath (Cast this spell only from your graveyard. Then exile it.)
Each player shuffles his or her graveyard into his or her library.
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Struggle / Survive occurrence in decks from the last year
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Struggle / Survive Discussion
2 months ago
At Nava's request i'm posting suggested changes, additions, cuts, and my thoughts on them. She requested that I not stick to only budget, but keep the max single card value under $30 (I kept it under $20 for the most part and largely even lower than that). As such, here are my thoughts and recommendations.
Courser of Kruphix- Ramp, pulls cards off the top of your deck so you are more likely to draw useful cards and just directly drop your lands onto the battlefield
Living Lightning- a useful elemental that allows you to recast your instants/sorceries
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar- A very powerful card that also allows you to bounce your lands so you can replay them for more effects
Nyxbloom Ancient- Triple mana on an elemental.
Overgrowth Elemental- A useful elemental that pumps your creatures and gains you life.
Ramunap Excavator- Replay your sacrificed and destroyed lands. Fantastic in a lands deck. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Roil Elemental- A fantastic landfall ability that allows you to grab key pieces from your opponents and use them against each other
Seedborn Muse take full advantage of your lands and abilities without worrying about being tapped out
Titania, Protector of Argoth- land recursion, elemental generation.
World Shaper- land recursion
Birds of Paradise- One of the best dorks in the game
Sylvan Caryatid- Fantastic dork
Brighthearth Banneret- You are a lands deck. You have more than enough mana and this simply doesn't do enough for you.
Chandra's Embercat- This will be a recurring comment from me. You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Embodiment of Insight- Too expensive for the effect. Also, personally I don't like turning lands into creatures as it makes them incredibly vulnerable without giving enough benefit.
Embodiment of Spring- Too expensive and not nearly good enough.
Generator Servant- The haste isn't important enough for your creatures as you very rarely have anything massive enough or has a useful enough tap effect that is being cast from your hand to require it. Furthermore, you are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Grove Rumbler- This card is terrible. Four for a 3/3 trample that has an effect that will pump it slightly for one turn. This is awful. It feels like this card was only put in due to it being an elemental.
Lavakin Brawler- Rarely do you ever have enough elementals out for this to be worthwhile. Not that it's terrible, but there are so many better cards that can be put in its place.
Parcelbeast- Doesn't get enough value to justify the slot
Smokebraider- You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Tireless Tracker- This has nothing to do with your deck and you're better off finding other draw engines
Surrak Dragonclaw- No synergy with the deck and not nearly good enough to justify the high mana cost.
Field of the Dead
Bring your land count to 38 or so
Coral Atoll- This is terrible. I know you're going for the bounce effect, but this is far worse for several reasons. Firstly, it only gives you blue mana as opposed to multicolored. Secondly, it requires specifically an island to be returned as opposed to any land that you can then take advantage of. And thirdly, it requires the land to be untapped which means that not only does it come in tapped, but it requires an untapped island which means you can't even use that land and then return it for value. This is awful. I don't love the bounce lands either, but I understand what you're going for and their value. This has neither.
Lumbering Falls, Raging Ravine, Wandering Fumarole- These man lands are in here entirely because they can become elementals, but really aren't worth running. They are come in tapped, cannot be fetched, and cost 4 mana to turn into a creature, largely negating any benefit. They're really bad and I highly recommend cutting them for more basics.
Unclaimed Territory- Not really worth the value. It's colorless more often than not and another basic land will give you more value than that more often.
Mana Vault- Nava already owns a copy of this in her Nekusar deck, so it can be added here without issue.
Strionic Resonator- Copy all of your ETB triggers, as well as any other triggered abilities. Fantastic
Chaos Warp- Removal on your own pieces or an opponents. Bypasses indestructible and often is allowed through without being counterspelled due to the fact that it's usually replacing a piece that people agree is a fair target rather than outright destroying or removing without replacing. A fantastic card overall
Constant Mists- Great protection when you need it, plus it can be bought back if needed. Lands can be recovered through multiple means.
Disallow- A must have for counterspells. It covers all possible basis and is fantastic.
Heroic Intervention- Hexproof and indestructible at instant speed for 2. Amazing.
Krosan Grip- Split second artifact/enchantment destruction. Among the best removal for them there is.
Force of Vigor- Free artifact/enchantment removal with multiple targets.
Swan Song- 1 drop counterspell that hits everything but creatures. A great counterspell to have on hand.
Counterspell- There are better cards to replace this with that are still very cheap/budget and are overall better
Growth Spiral- A decent card but we can do better given the range of cards available in commander
Inspiring Call- See Growth Spiral
Return to Nature- There are so many better versions of this for an equal if not lesser cost. Or, for one more there are better cards which I will be recommending.
Struggle / Survive- Too limited, not enough value, not powerful enough.
Tale's End- This is just a bad version of disallow that very rarely gets any value.
Withstand Death- This is a bad version of other similar cards.
Wrap in Vigor- Very rarely do mass destruction effects happen, and when they do the usually say "cannot be regenerated". This seems really good but i've never really seen it get any value and will typically be a dead card most of the time.
Genesis Wave- Drop all the permanents (lands included) that you can afford.
Life from the Loam- pull lands from your graveyard and keep your engine going without running out. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Nature's Lore, Three Visits- Pull forests (basic and non-basic that are forests) from your deck. Very helpful at any time.
Scapeshift- Grab all the lands you want, plus trigger your landfall and other such triggers
Splendid Reclamation- Pull all the lands from your graveyard. Nuff said.
Tempt with Discovery- If one person takes it then it's a better Explosive Vegetation. If more then it's an amazing card, but even if no one else does you get to pick your land and in a lands deck you will get more value.
Windfall- Refills your hand, interferes with opponent's plans, dumps lands in graveyard for later use.
Ground Assault- very limited and not worth running. There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Hull Breach- There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Quasiduplicate- no real apparent benefit to this over other cards that can more directly further your end goal.
Sylvan Awakening- I don't recommend turning your lands into creatures, especially enmass. It's just asking for all your lands to be mass removed. Very dangerous and will rarely get the payoff you need. Limited and will be a dead card in hand except in very specific scenarios.
Burgeoning- land Acceleration
Trade Routes- Bounce lands for more triggers and value, and in a pinch you can pitch them for more cards. Mana swamped becomes a thing of the past.
Exploration- Land acceleration
Domri, Anarch of Bolas- It seems like the main reason this is being run is for the +1 ability, which is really not worth running a card like this for. Not enough value.
Nissa, Steward of Elements- Without a large number of counters on her she gets minimal value, and if you do pay enough mana to make her viable there are already better cards you can run for those costs.
Eternal Witness- Unless you find your creatures or important cards dead often, or have a real way to take advantage of the cards in your graveyard, this is unnecessary and doesn't do enough for the deck.
Fertilid- A decent card but i've never found it gets enough value for the cost. it's a minimum of 5 mana for 1 basic land. You need to do this at least 3 or 4 times to really get enough value to be worth running over a land fetch.
Leafkin Druid- This is okay as a dork and an elemental, but I've found with tribal decks that you are better off running other creature and card types that better fuel your deck as a whole and really allow the tribe to shine, rather than forcing the tribe everywhere.
Tectonic Giant- Not good enough.
Animar, Soul of Elements- Unnecessary.
Zendikar Resurgent- Largely unnecessary due to the high number of lands in the deck, but can be kept if you feel it worthwhile
Frontier Bivouac- decent but comes in tapped and cannot be fetched. In a lands deck you will rarely be hurting for colors and the fact that this comes in tapped slows you down.
Simic Growth Chamber, Izzet Boilerworks, Gruul Turf- While I see what you are going for with these, they overall do slow you down and you have enough lands (once you bump up to 38 or so) that you shouldn't have any issue with them. I'd swamp these for basics as you have far more ways to grab those.
2 years ago
After some more testing it has confirmed that Fury Storm simply will not cut the mustard in the deck. Now it is time to try something fresh: Underrealm Lich . Now this presents a very powerful avenue for card selection and graveyard filling, however presents a challenge in that you may possibly deck yourself as the deck has no ways of shuffling the graveyard into the library. While I haven't yet had any issues with potential decking yet, it's always better to be safe than sorry.
The first thing that came to mind was Elixir of Immortality , or simply putting in one of the eldrazi titans to provide more reliable (but less predictable) anti-mill but honestly in the colours present the options are rather limited. Another possiblity was Struggle / Survive which is fairly cheap and offers instant speed removal for a fair amount of damage along with a cheap shuffle effect.
I've since gotten my hands on a Cabal Coffers so that is going into the deck, replacing Canyon Slough . Often the amonkhet cycle lands feel worse than the single mana cyclers like Forgotten Cave or Barren Moor and all too often have ended up being discarded to an uptick of Lord Windgrace , who doesn't care what kind of land you discard at the time.
After more testing, Winding Canyons has not been the game changer that I had hoped, but I will give it a few more shots before completely discarding it from potential upgrades.
One final thought is whether or not adding Retreat to Kazandu to the maybe board is worth it. The deck can burn through life surprisingly fast and without finding a Zuran Orb you can end up playing on the backfoot the entire game. If anything it voids the first lot of lifeloss from Glacial Chasm and works great with Splendid reclaimation or Scapeshift . If anyone has any thoughts on the matter, let me know!
2 years ago
Sideboard (for now):
I'm not entirely sure on most of the numbers here, this is much more of a rough sketch. But one of the big reasons for the manabase having so much green is to facilitate sideboard options like Prowling Serpopard whenever there's countermagic that also works as a fairly decent-sized body for the cost. Sure it's no Steel Leaf Champion but it's probably a little much to ask GGG of this deck. Goblin Chainwhirler is probably a little more feasible in that regard, and possibly something I do want to include somewhere in the 75, to punish x/1 decks.
Sweltering Suns is a 3-of because there's just enough floating around that I really, really want to be able to sweep the board if I have to. An argument to be made for Hour of Devastation but that does a number on my board too compartively.
Vine Mare is also in that double-green camp, to be brought in against basically any black-based deck. It can get awkward if I bring this in along with Suns, but there's also the potential to curve suns into horse and just run over a zombies deck.
Shapers' Sanctuary is another one of my pet cards that I've toyed with in the main in the past. In the right match-ups, this is a green ancestral recall. In paper I like to keep a die on it for my own sake, to keep track of how many cards it draws. The fact that it's only a single mana is its biggest selling point, being able to drop it turn one or two and then start deploying threats. I even use them against the aggressive red decks, because I can usually find a turn to slip it in.
Lifecrafter's Bestiary - Aka: Pokedex, one of the most absurd cards this deck can play in a long, grindy game. You end up with lots of land in play, get a scry 1 before your draw, and the ability to make every creature into a cantrip on cast...
Struggle // Survive - This was once part of the maindeck, but the key difference between it and Spit Flame is the ability to kill Bolas/Steel Leaf on turn 3. These are for dealing with Scarab God and Torrential Gearhulk, along with any huge creatures that're too big for other means... although I probably won't be killing Giantosaurus or Ghalta with one anytime soon.
2 years ago
This is a cool idea, and I'm making a similar deck myself. I don't have a link, sorry, because it's not on TappedOut yet. Also, if I come across as harsh, I apologise for that.
Moving on the the deck (and hopefully helping) the first thing is you should be playing around 26 lands, maybe 27 if you have cycling deserts. Next, although it sounds counter-intuitive, you actually want fewer dual lands. The strength of Hour of Promise is that it can:
get any land and
make zombies if you have enough deserts.
Next, your deck lacks focus. It has some of the strongest cards in standard, but that doesn't help if they aren't doing anything for your deck. This deck doesn't want cards like Goblin Chainwhirler, Nezahal, Primal Tide, Soul-Scar Mage or Wizard's Lightning, because those are aggressive cards and you're building a ramp deck.
Finally I would reccomend playing Gift of Paradise in some number, possibly over Grow from the Ashes. While Grow can be more explosive, you need padding for your life total again.
Then tweak the numbers a bit.
Hopefully you don't mind this long addition, and I wish you luck in the building process!
2 years ago
Hey w33m4n, thanks for the upvote.
Red helps a lot with removal Harnessed Lightning currently main deck. Abrade, Struggle / Survive, maybe even Glorybringer are more options for sideboard removal. I'm currently not worrying about a sideboard because it's way too early, Dominaria hasn't even been released :)
Green fight removal such as Pounce, Prey Upon or Ancient Animus are cards I would like to avoid, even though they're good with Steel Leaf Champion and Rhonas the Indomitable. If I was playing mono green then these cards would be options. Territorial Allosaurus is the exception for fight removal, expect me to play a few copies of this Dino in the sideboard for midrange matchups. I like very much that Adventurous Impulse can find Allosarus, thus find creature removal.
2 years ago
Hey, you're welcome. Haha, Elf lord, nice. I didn't know I had such a reputation here for a nickname; I like it :)
Deck looks good I like the changes, it's nicely streamlined. Consider 4x Hashep Oasis? Oasis is a very good land for green stompy. Mostly because it can be a turn one land drop that ETB untapped for Llanowar Elves and then can be used later on to pump a creature. It's great in combination with mana dorks because you can sac Oasis to pump one of them for an attack or they can help to pay the four mana to use Oasis with another creature.
I'm finding the interaction between Adventurous Impulse and Oasis to be excellent. If it doesn't find a creature in the mid to late game then finding Oasis is the next best thing.
Consider Nissa, Vital Force? As a curve topper she can be a beating with 5/5 haste lands(Forests) combined with trample from Rhonas. By herself her +1 ability can allow Rhonas to attack, that's good. Her recursion ability is quite good with green creatures and Oasis because they're permanents.
In my opinion the most important cards that mono color decks have going forward into Dominaria Standard are the new triple same colored CC rare creatures in Dominaria such as Steel Leaf Champion. If mono colored decks other than red are going to succeed it's because of these creatures. These creatures in all colors have potential and are best in their mono color decks.
Other than Champion I think if you want to play these cards then a mono colored deck is the only option. Champion can be played in a two color deck because green has mana dorks that can make green or another color, Servant of the Conduit and Aether Hub energy interaction.
I'm playing Champion in a two color deck Gruul. I get away with doing this because of Hub, Unclaimed Territory and one of my strategies is to make a lot of green mana. I'm also not playing a land in the manabase that can't make green mana for a creature.
The interaction between Llanowar Elves and Champion I feel makes mono green the new stand out for a mono colored deck in Standard mostly because mono red aggro is a good matchup for you. Black with the new Shade, new Coffers, Cast Down and Vraska's Contempt is next. Black could gain the upper hand on all other mono color decks especially green because of Cast Down, having better removal options.
The only reason to splash a second color which is something consider is to play better removal then Pounce.
Black for Fatal Push, Cast Down and Hour of Glory(budget). Red for Abrade, Struggle / Survive and Harnessed Lightning which you can take better advantage of with Servant of the Conduit's energy. White for Seal Away, Cast Out and Ixalan's Binding. Blue for Negate, Blink of an Eye and Unsummon.
2 years ago
Pretty good suggestion. Ive always hoped to use Blessing in a standard deck. Here it isnt the power move I need to finish opponents. Struggle / Survive does the a better job and shuffles opponents as well. But the biggest factor is Gaes 2CC. Just too low. Thanks though!