Creature — Elemental
Landfall — Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, Grove Rumbler gets +2/+2 until end of turn.
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Grove Rumbler Discussion
6 months ago
At Nava's request i'm posting suggested changes, additions, cuts, and my thoughts on them. She requested that I not stick to only budget, but keep the max single card value under $30 (I kept it under $20 for the most part and largely even lower than that). As such, here are my thoughts and recommendations.
Courser of Kruphix- Ramp, pulls cards off the top of your deck so you are more likely to draw useful cards and just directly drop your lands onto the battlefield
Living Lightning- a useful elemental that allows you to recast your instants/sorceries
Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar- A very powerful card that also allows you to bounce your lands so you can replay them for more effects
Nyxbloom Ancient- Triple mana on an elemental.
Overgrowth Elemental- A useful elemental that pumps your creatures and gains you life.
Ramunap Excavator- Replay your sacrificed and destroyed lands. Fantastic in a lands deck. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Roil Elemental- A fantastic landfall ability that allows you to grab key pieces from your opponents and use them against each other
Seedborn Muse take full advantage of your lands and abilities without worrying about being tapped out
Titania, Protector of Argoth- land recursion, elemental generation.
World Shaper- land recursion
Birds of Paradise- One of the best dorks in the game
Sylvan Caryatid- Fantastic dork
Brighthearth Banneret- You are a lands deck. You have more than enough mana and this simply doesn't do enough for you.
Chandra's Embercat- This will be a recurring comment from me. You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Embodiment of Insight- Too expensive for the effect. Also, personally I don't like turning lands into creatures as it makes them incredibly vulnerable without giving enough benefit.
Embodiment of Spring- Too expensive and not nearly good enough.
Generator Servant- The haste isn't important enough for your creatures as you very rarely have anything massive enough or has a useful enough tap effect that is being cast from your hand to require it. Furthermore, you are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Grove Rumbler- This card is terrible. Four for a 3/3 trample that has an effect that will pump it slightly for one turn. This is awful. It feels like this card was only put in due to it being an elemental.
Lavakin Brawler- Rarely do you ever have enough elementals out for this to be worthwhile. Not that it's terrible, but there are so many better cards that can be put in its place.
Parcelbeast- Doesn't get enough value to justify the slot
Smokebraider- You are a lands deck with plenty of ways to ramp. This is a very limited card that costs too much and doesn't do enough for you. You are a lands deck. Increase the number of ways you can pull lands out of your deck to further your decks goals and increase the chances of drawing a non-land card that will help you more.
Tireless Tracker- This has nothing to do with your deck and you're better off finding other draw engines
Surrak Dragonclaw- No synergy with the deck and not nearly good enough to justify the high mana cost.
Field of the Dead
Bring your land count to 38 or so
Coral Atoll- This is terrible. I know you're going for the bounce effect, but this is far worse for several reasons. Firstly, it only gives you blue mana as opposed to multicolored. Secondly, it requires specifically an island to be returned as opposed to any land that you can then take advantage of. And thirdly, it requires the land to be untapped which means that not only does it come in tapped, but it requires an untapped island which means you can't even use that land and then return it for value. This is awful. I don't love the bounce lands either, but I understand what you're going for and their value. This has neither.
Lumbering Falls, Raging Ravine, Wandering Fumarole- These man lands are in here entirely because they can become elementals, but really aren't worth running. They are come in tapped, cannot be fetched, and cost 4 mana to turn into a creature, largely negating any benefit. They're really bad and I highly recommend cutting them for more basics.
Unclaimed Territory- Not really worth the value. It's colorless more often than not and another basic land will give you more value than that more often.
Mana Vault- Nava already owns a copy of this in her Nekusar deck, so it can be added here without issue.
Strionic Resonator- Copy all of your ETB triggers, as well as any other triggered abilities. Fantastic
Chaos Warp- Removal on your own pieces or an opponents. Bypasses indestructible and often is allowed through without being counterspelled due to the fact that it's usually replacing a piece that people agree is a fair target rather than outright destroying or removing without replacing. A fantastic card overall
Constant Mists- Great protection when you need it, plus it can be bought back if needed. Lands can be recovered through multiple means.
Disallow- A must have for counterspells. It covers all possible basis and is fantastic.
Heroic Intervention- Hexproof and indestructible at instant speed for 2. Amazing.
Krosan Grip- Split second artifact/enchantment destruction. Among the best removal for them there is.
Force of Vigor- Free artifact/enchantment removal with multiple targets.
Swan Song- 1 drop counterspell that hits everything but creatures. A great counterspell to have on hand.
Counterspell- There are better cards to replace this with that are still very cheap/budget and are overall better
Growth Spiral- A decent card but we can do better given the range of cards available in commander
Inspiring Call- See Growth Spiral
Return to Nature- There are so many better versions of this for an equal if not lesser cost. Or, for one more there are better cards which I will be recommending.
Struggle / Survive- Too limited, not enough value, not powerful enough.
Tale's End- This is just a bad version of disallow that very rarely gets any value.
Withstand Death- This is a bad version of other similar cards.
Wrap in Vigor- Very rarely do mass destruction effects happen, and when they do the usually say "cannot be regenerated". This seems really good but i've never really seen it get any value and will typically be a dead card most of the time.
Genesis Wave- Drop all the permanents (lands included) that you can afford.
Life from the Loam- pull lands from your graveyard and keep your engine going without running out. Omnath feeds on lands, and the more you drop the more cards you can draw and counters you can give out.
Nature's Lore, Three Visits- Pull forests (basic and non-basic that are forests) from your deck. Very helpful at any time.
Scapeshift- Grab all the lands you want, plus trigger your landfall and other such triggers
Splendid Reclamation- Pull all the lands from your graveyard. Nuff said.
Tempt with Discovery- If one person takes it then it's a better Explosive Vegetation. If more then it's an amazing card, but even if no one else does you get to pick your land and in a lands deck you will get more value.
Windfall- Refills your hand, interferes with opponent's plans, dumps lands in graveyard for later use.
Ground Assault- very limited and not worth running. There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Hull Breach- There are better cards with similar if not stronger effects available to you
Quasiduplicate- no real apparent benefit to this over other cards that can more directly further your end goal.
Sylvan Awakening- I don't recommend turning your lands into creatures, especially enmass. It's just asking for all your lands to be mass removed. Very dangerous and will rarely get the payoff you need. Limited and will be a dead card in hand except in very specific scenarios.
Burgeoning- land Acceleration
Trade Routes- Bounce lands for more triggers and value, and in a pinch you can pitch them for more cards. Mana swamped becomes a thing of the past.
Exploration- Land acceleration
Domri, Anarch of Bolas- It seems like the main reason this is being run is for the +1 ability, which is really not worth running a card like this for. Not enough value.
Nissa, Steward of Elements- Without a large number of counters on her she gets minimal value, and if you do pay enough mana to make her viable there are already better cards you can run for those costs.
Eternal Witness- Unless you find your creatures or important cards dead often, or have a real way to take advantage of the cards in your graveyard, this is unnecessary and doesn't do enough for the deck.
Fertilid- A decent card but i've never found it gets enough value for the cost. it's a minimum of 5 mana for 1 basic land. You need to do this at least 3 or 4 times to really get enough value to be worth running over a land fetch.
Leafkin Druid- This is okay as a dork and an elemental, but I've found with tribal decks that you are better off running other creature and card types that better fuel your deck as a whole and really allow the tribe to shine, rather than forcing the tribe everywhere.
Tectonic Giant- Not good enough.
Animar, Soul of Elements- Unnecessary.
Zendikar Resurgent- Largely unnecessary due to the high number of lands in the deck, but can be kept if you feel it worthwhile
Frontier Bivouac- decent but comes in tapped and cannot be fetched. In a lands deck you will rarely be hurting for colors and the fact that this comes in tapped slows you down.
Simic Growth Chamber, Izzet Boilerworks, Gruul Turf- While I see what you are going for with these, they overall do slow you down and you have enough lands (once you bump up to 38 or so) that you shouldn't have any issue with them. I'd swamp these for basics as you have far more ways to grab those.
10 months ago
1 year ago
Forest- Myriad Landscape
1 year ago
This is a super cool deck. I like it. Now. What if you used Risen Reef and Amulet of Vigor to play your entire deck?? note: if this strat isn't your style then this may just be me theorycrafting about my own upcoming elemental deck!
To that end, you could run 4 Brighthearth Banneret to fuel the engine, and for finishers have a bunch of those Ball Lightning sorts of elementals and Embodiment of Fury and such, though Creeping Trailblazer may be enough to pump the team and win, Grove Rumbler is probably safer- it has trample... maybe we play Song of Creation with this???
1 year ago
Yes you can! However, this will put you at a mana disadvantage for not having the land on any given turn, and even if it was your only land in your hand, you would only want to play it with Landfall abilities like on Grove Rumbler or Lotus Cobra, because you would be revealing a card from your hand.
1 year ago
Welcome to TappedOut :)
Nice start for a budget deck, but it needs more focus on Elementals. You're best cards here are not green they're red Chandra, Awakened Inferno and Cavalier of Flame . The problem is you've made a primary green deck and plugged your two best red cards into it which doesn't work. Both Chandra and especially Cavalier need lots of red in the manabase to support them, to cast them and you don't have this here.
A playable manabase is the hardest part of a deck to get right with such a low budget for this reason consider only one color? Either mono green or mono red? A mono colored deck only has to use one type of basic land therefore don't have to worry about playing dual lands for the second color. Since your two best cards here are red then consider mono red?
Obviously mono red will be a different deck than you have here and would require adding lots of budget red cards. Mono green wouldn't, but mono green wouldn't let you play Chandra or Cavalier. My advice is go with mono red since there's several good budget (less than $1 each) red Elementals in Modern to choose from: Smokebraider , Incandescent Soulstoke , Obsidian Fireheart .
For your current Gruul deck, if you don't like the idea of playing only one color, but wanting to keep two colors then focus on improving the manabase with more red sources. Add 4x Evolving Wilds , 2x Terramorphic Expanse , 1x more Gruul Guildgate or upgrade Guildgate to 4x Temple of Abandon ? The scry 1 is helpful when you play a dual land that ETB (enters the battlefield) tapped. Add Unclaimed Territory especially if you add more red Elementals since it can be make any color of mana to cast an Elemental.
Consider expanding on the Elemental strategy and less +1/+1 counters strategy? Consider building around the idea of ramp with Leafkin Druid and Smokebraider ? Grove Rumbler is a budget Elemental to considering ramping into. Rumbler is a creature to put counters on because it has trample and it gets a pump of power each time you play a land, +4/+4 until end of turn when you play and sac Evolving Wilds /Expanse in the same turn.
Smokebraider is the most powerful ramp creature for Elementals; it's budget and is an upgrade for Chandra's Embercat if using two colors. Incandescent Soulstoke is a budget anthem for Elementals and can cheat one onto the battlefield which has interaction with my next suggestion. Soul of the Harvest is a budget Elemental to ramp into and an upgrade for Vorstclaw and Wakeroot Elemental . A 6/6 with trample for six mana and it's ability to draw you a card whenever a nontoken creature you control ETB is good.
Cheat Soul onto the battlefield with Soulstoke for two mana; attack with a 7/7 Elemental with haste/trample. Not having to pay the six mana to cast Soul gives other mana to use to cast creatures to draw for the turn which is good with Smokebraider and Leafkin. The two mana that Smokebraider can make to cast an Elemental is good to ramp into Soul as well as can pay for Soulstroke or Cavalier of Flame 's activated abilities.
Example of budget ramp Gruul Elementals base (keeping several cards you already have):
- 4x Leafkin Druid
- 4x Smokebraider
- 4x Incandescent Soulstoke
- 4x Grove Rumbler
- 4x Soul of the Harvest
- 2x Chandra's Embercat
- 3x Pollenbright Druid
- 2x Overgrowth Elemental
- 1x Seed Guardian
- 1x Cavalier of Flame
- 1x Chandra, Awakened Inferno
- 5x empty spots for other cards.
The Elemental core of this example is:
- 4x Leafkin
- 4x Smokebraider
- 4x Soulstoke
- 4x Rumbler
- 4x Soul
Leafkin and Smokebraider are the ramp. Rumber and Soul are the creatures to ramp into.
Manabase for this example:
- 6x Forest
- 5x Mountain
- 4x Evolving Wilds
- 2x Terramorphic Expanse
- 4x Temple of Abandon
- 2x Unclaimed Territory
- 1x Flamekin Village : haste can be helpful, letting an Elemental attack the turn it ETB.
This example would add $10 to your current deck cost of $35. I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.
2 years ago
Agreed with the first three. Khalni Gem could be alright, but it's also kind of a karoo.
I don't like: Undergrowth Champion, Tunneling Geopede, Tornado Elemental, Phytotitan, and especially Geyser Glider, Grove Rumbler, Sylvan Awakening, Embodiment of Fury and Embodiment of Insight. That's most of your elemental and landfall synergy. I don't think those are worth building around at all, since nearly your only payoff is your commander and the cards are pretty awful without him (and even with him they're not great.)
I'd suggest: Ramunap Excavator, Mina and Denn, Wildborn, Perilous Forays (this especially combos really well with Omnath), Harrow, Ulvenwald Hydra, Terramorphic Expanse and Evolving Wilds, Goreclaw, Terror of Qal Sisma, Ranger's Path, Thaumatic Compass Flip, Goblin Bombardment, Blighted Woodland, Temple of the False God
3 years ago
My recommendations for cuts are as follows:
- Captivating Crew
- Grove Rumbler
- Scute Mob
- Seismic Elemental
- Woodland Wanderer
- Natural Connection
- Scour from Existence
- Crash Through
- Gaea's Blessing
- Hellion Eruption
- Mob Rule
- Nissa's Renewal
- Primal Command
- Seek the Horizon
- Warp World
- 2x Forest
- 1x Mountain
- Domri Rade
- Blood Rites
- Bonds of Mortality
- Explorer's Scope
- Gruul Cluestone
- Hedron Archive
- Nevinyrral's Disk
- Slab Hammer
There are other recommendations I have for changes. For now I’ll start you off with that and if you want more suggestions, let me know.