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Cast Down Discussion
5 days ago
Alright. After looking through, I have a few ideas. 1. Instead of stealing other’s artifacts for 4+ mana, perhaps running things like Abrade , Artifact Possession , Copy Artifact , or Bedevil to either create copies of other’s artifacts, or destroy them with more options than what you currently have.
- Mana fixing Drowned Catacomb , Dragonskull Summit , Watery Grave , Command Tower , Arcane Signet , Grixis Obelisk, and Grixis Panorama would all help in your ability to cast Bolas on curve.
- Holding off the other players.
- Creatures. Zahid, Djinn of the Lamp , Wall of Stone , Norritt , Chainwhip Cyclops , and Vraska's Finisher are all bad cards. I suggest cards like Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip, Sheoldred, Whispering One , Notion Thief , Archfiend of Depravity , and Massacre Girl could be more beneficial than the current ones you have.
1 week ago
hungry000: lots of colored symbols is exactly what nykthos wants though. otherwise you can't build devotion.
1 week ago
I understand that budget is a thing, so I'll try to keep that in mind throughout this comment.
First, I'd recommend Caged Sun over any mana rocks that you currently have. It's a strong card that only helps you.
Last, you need some recursion. You're playing mono black after all! If you can, throw in a Reanimate , Command the Dreadhorde , and Chainer, Dementia Master ! It'll help a lot. Possibly throw in a Phyrexian Reclamation for recursion to hand if you need it.
Best of luck!
1 week ago
Personally, I don't like amass decks, but I'll do my best to help you out.
You need more creatures. Specifically cheap ones to get you to the mid-late game. Lazotep Reaver and Gleaming Overseer both somewhat fit those criteria, and give you a bit of amass effect too. Lazotep Plating offers protection and an early amass. Eternal Skylord is increasing that mana curve again, but it offers you some reach and protection you sorely need. I'd advise doing some testing on Bleeding Edge , because it's a removal help and amasses, but it's a double-black cost at turn three and comes out at sorcery speed. There's just not a good replacement for Cast Down in these colors. Sorry.
You wouldn't think of putting The Royal Scions in this deck normally, but it's grixis colors, gives you card filtering, and can give trample to your massive army to finish out games, so it's worth considering at least. Barge In isn't bad for trample either.
Now, to make room for all these suggestions, we need to take out some cards too. Relentless Advance is narrow, and for only 3 power you're spending four mana. Ill-Gotten Inheritance is low-impact and expensive. Cast Down and Fountain of Renewal just rotated. Since we're adding more creatures, Invade the City isn't as good, but it's still worth putting in the deck so I'd recommend going down to two copies of it. Widespread Brutality also loses some of its value since it now eliminates your creatures too, so maybe 2-3 copies of it as well.
I think with Fountain of Renewal and Ill-Gotten Inheritance you were too focused on not losing so much life from Dreadhorde Invasion . In this meta, you need to be prepared to lose life from your own cards. That card will only get you in trouble if you go late-game and can't draw Enter the God-Eternals .
I think WOTC will expand on the army creature-type, and then amass will have more of a place. But possibly only after all the amass effects have rotated just for balancing.
2 weeks ago
Here's what I don't understand about the amass effect: you're only making one creature from it. Even if that creature gets really big, it's vulnerable to chump-blocking and kill spells.
All-around, your deck is a little slow. You've got some good cards in here, but you're going to take 5-10 turns to really get them going, and by then your opponent has a massive board presence.
3 weeks ago
Build a sideboard. Hero's Downfall is slow but it’s the best walker removal we have if we don’t hit them with discard. Pithing Needle Damping Sphere Ratchet Bomb Cry of the Carnarium Grafdigger's Cage and Nihil Spellbomb are great for us. Also find room for a little more spot removal if possible. Dismember is great and gets rid of Gideon. Cast Down isn’t bad. I play a similar deck and these cards I’ve suggested worked for me but, that’s only because my meta plays cards that don’t do so well against them. And maybe Languish ? Good luck and have fun!
3 weeks ago
Build a sideboard. Hero's Downfall is slow but it’s the best walker removal we have if we don’t hit them with discard. Pithing Needle Damping Sphere Ratchet Bomb Cry of the Carnarium Grafdigger's Cage and Nihil Spellbomb are great for us. Also find room for a little more spot removal if possible. Dismember is great and gets rid of Gideon. Cast Down isn’t bad. I play a similar deck and these cards I’ve suggested worked for me but, that’s only because my meta plays cards that don’t do so well against them. Good luck and have fun!
3 weeks ago
Declaration in Stone is pretty decent, but it is also a Sorcery. I think people have a misconception that Instants are better strictly because they allow for more immediate response. While speed is an undeniable advantage, in a deck without ramp, making use of mana on opponent's turns can also be more efficient. For example, with an Instant in hand, you can use untapped mana to remove a threat on an opponent's turn, then untap those lands on your turn, whereas a with a Sorcery, you have to wait until your turn and then choose between casting a removal spell or a creature spell. And then there's range - not all removal spells are equally useful, and in my humble opinion, Generous Gift is pretty solid - not only is it an Instant, but it works on everything. Of course, it also comes at the top of realistic CMC, vs stuff like Fatal Push and Path to Exile that are much narrower, but also allow versatility in casting more spells. I usually run 1-2x of a couple different removal spells that overlap, but also give me range. The added upside to singleton removals is that spells like Surgical Extraction etc that consider additional copies in hand/deck/graveyard, etc fizzle. The downside is against spells like Duress that reveal your hand, as singletons will make it easier for opponents to count your cards (as is true with land art). That's not something I usually care about, but I understand why other people do. I usually prefer white removal to black, so I might run something like 1x Blessed Alliance (versatile and works against hexproof/indestructivble), 1x Generous Gift (works against everything at Instant-speed), 1x Declaration in Stone (very strong against tokens and it exiles), 1x Cast Down (value of speed and application). I don't think this approach is favored in competitive play. Indeed, part of the reason for it is budget-related. If I could afford 16 copies of Path to Exile, it would be in a lot of my decks. And certainly, some of the same logic is generally reserved for Sideboards, which I also use to pad out my top removal spells along with other utilities like Pithing Needle , Ratchet Bomb , Nevermore , Celestial Purge , etc.
Yes, I think you should still try to lower the CMC. In a fast format like Modern, 5 mana on T5 isn't a lot! That's a total possible casting power of 15 over the course of your target game, and that's assuming you play a land each turn. (That also means you'll only be looking at a maximum pool of 12 cards, and 5 of those must be lands! So what 7 spells can you cast for 15 mana? That's only 2.14 mana on average!) If you consider the likely possibility that at least 2 of that 15 must be spent in preventing an opponent from winning, that leaves a maximum of 13 mana to cast other spells. If at least 1 of those other spells is going to be a wincon that costs 4 or more, that leaves 9. This is why spells like Sorin, Vengeful Bloodlord are so difficult to use. If you cast him, you're left with only 5 mana total over the course of 5 turns to cast other creatures and spells. That's only 2x 2CMC creatures. Having 20x 2cmc creatures guarantees you'll get a couple, but it doesn't offset the price of trying to play bigger spells. If Sorin gets removed, or hit via evasion, trample, etc, you can lose a lot of limited resources, and because of spells like Generous Gift and Beast Within , opponents can remove any big threat for less than you can cast them. This can easily slippery slope into getting a combo and protecting it at all costs, which I think, while sometimes fun, is also not as good as a deck without a central/obvious threat. I'm big on value and synergy. Like, I think 30x Champion of the Parish and 10x Brave the Elements would beat just about anything. This all applies to your report on trouble with heavy counterspell/removal. Without a lot of disruption, you've got to be able to play creatures for less than opponents spend to remove them. That usually means no more than 4 spells at 3CMC and only 1-2 at 4+CMC. It also usually means at least 6 1CMC spells. Of course, you're constrained by the theme of the deck, which is all about life-drain, and I think you're way out in front of foolhardy decks trying to play Exquisite Blood+Sanguine Bond among a smattering of other 3CMC+ spells. That said, you still want to make your deck as competitive as possible within your budget, so anywhere you can make the deck faster, more efficient, and more consistent, you want to trade power all the way down to the minimum. Most games, you only need to get opponents from 20 life to 0.
To address Tron, I think it's worth going back to removal options briefly to point out that Generous Gift works on lands, which can be used to shut down Tron decks or at least slow them down. The great thing about GG is that it works on other stuff, too, making it considerably better than something like Rain of Tears , which is so specific and narrow, it's hard to justify even in a sideboard. Other stuff that's great against Tron: Ghost Quarter and less budget friendly, Field of Ruin . Damping Sphere is solid, too, and will favor your heavy-ish use of limited mana, as it's very possible you'll only have enough to cast 1 spell on many turns. To some degree, all this also depends a bit on what sort of threats the Tron decks you're facing are putting down, as it's a pretty broad archetype. Sometimes more removal or board wipes can be useful, but given the mana Tron produces, it's usually difficult to keep up with it once it's assembled. Oh. I got really carried away. Sorry about that. I hope some of this is useful.
Cast Down occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%
All decks: 0.08%
All decks: 0.82%