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Spires of Orazca
(Transforms from Thaumatic Compass.)
: Gain .
: Untap target attacking creature an opponent controls and remove it from combat.
Spires of Orazca Discussion
8 months ago
Thanks so much for the feedback and suggestions, winden02! Will definitely keep Knight of Autumn in mind when testing.
For Growth Spiral I've found the ramp to be very helpful in the early game, and that it combos very well with Thaumatic Compass Flip. This reminds me that I should include at least 1 Basic Forest card to the list. For Growth, the +1 instant draw speed also makes the card shine mid-late game.
For hard removal, you're absolutely correct that this list is lacking (nephew started with less to focus on lifegain and draw spells). In testing, I've found that 3 Cleansing Nova and 1 Settle the Wreckage have done well in that they are supported by stall cards such as Spires of Orazca , Dawn of Hope , Angel of Grace , Lyra Dawnbringer , Hydroid Krasis , and the 6 Planeswalkers who; create tokens ( Dovin, Grand Arbiter , Karn, Scion of Urza , and Tezzeret, Artifice Master ), tap opponent's creature ( Dovin, Architect of Law ), and removal ( Teferi, Hero of Dominaria ).
Again, I don't feel this list or ratios are complete. Will continue testing and truly appreciate the feedback!
1 year ago
I playtested this against my Dragons.
Eventually I got five Dragons on the field.
By that stage I had enough mana to pay for Lathliss Dragon Queen's ability to pump the Power of my 2/2 up by 9, making it do 11 damage.
I had gotten 4 damage in earlier in the game with Dismissive Pyromancer, leaving this deck on 5.
Jodah, Archmage Eternal really feels more like a Commander card than a Standard card.
He is cheap enough to make recasting no problem.
His ability would let you get away with playing HUGE spells for peanuts.
He's really not suited to Standard, in my opinion.
Working out your mana base a bit more MIGHT speed this deck up a little. I could probably do it, but I'm tired and don't really feel like it.
There are some problems with the plays you've set out.
This can't happen if the first land pays for the second land, and the second land comes in tapped, which is what happened on my test.
T3: Land, Root Snare on opponents turn.
With only three copies of Root Snare in the deck you are more likely to see it in the late game, rather than on Turn 3.
This play can't happen either. Thran Temporal Gateway costs to activate, and Jodah eternal coats to cast, which would require eight mana.
If you played Chromatic Lantern on Turn 4 you would have access to only six mana, but you couldn't also have played Thran Temporal Gateway that turn.
This deck sort of has too much going on.
I do like the Ramp into Zetalpa, Primal Dawn. I believe there is a place for that card in Standard, but it would probably be in a shell with early mana dorks.
The ratio of Creatures to Artifacts feels way off here.
23 cards in this deck are non-creature spells, but they are all concerned with fixing mana, or stopping damage. That is only going to delay the Opponent and help you Ramp so much.
You have no spot removal which meant that all I had to do to protect my main win con, Lathliss, Dragon Queen, was just not attack with her.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings.
I don't really think this deck is viable in Standard.
If you change it and want me to take another look, tag me in these comments.
I used to offer a lot of deck help, but I have really cut that back these days.
1 year ago
I like the new deck name!
I think you would be wise to chuck Risk Factor.
I've run lots of tests against it and most of the time your Opponent will just take the four damage.
There are potentially a lot of life gain decks in this Standard (we don't know the meta for sure, yet). Those decks won't think twice about losing some life.
I'd put another copy of Settle the Wreckage in your Sideboard. As with most Control decks, Creature-heavy decks are tricky for this one to deal with. Particularly if the Creatures aren't actually being cast.
I find that this build isn't as consistent as I'd like it to be, due to the fact that you have only 1 or 2 copies of a lot of your cards.
Spires of Orazca helps a little bit but again, against Creature-heavy decks, you're only removing one of them from combat.
Patient Rebuilding was the surprise card of the bunch, to me.
It very effectively Milled me. Then a second copy came out and my deck was toast.
I'm almost wondering if the build wouldn't be better with a stronger Mill focus and taking Niv-Mizzet, Parun out.
I know you're desperate to build with that Creature, and prove the Pros mistaken, but it's rare that they get things wrong.
They've been playing and brewing Magic with teams of professionals every day of their lives for years.
I tried to brew with Niv-Mizzet, Parun, realised it just wasn't working, and built a more effective deck instead.
I am happy to be proven wrong, but the card just doesn't feel competitive to me.
I hope my comments help. Let me know if you make any changes, and want me to take another look.
(Consider yourself fortunate, I rarely give deck advice any more.)
1 year ago
1 year ago
Hey! Thanks for the mention :)
Love the idea! In terms of pure win percentage, my deck definitely isn't the right way to go about things and I feel that a more defensive pillowfort strategy like you mentioned would net you much more wins.
While red/black aren't the best pillowfort colors in the traditional sense, they have a few cards that slow or disincentivize attackers; not to mention there are a few land and artifact cards that help too. No Mercy, Dread, Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs, Maze of Ith, Mystifying Maze, Spires of Orazca (flipped from Thaumatic Compass Flip), Uphill Battle, Glacial Crevasses, Vow of Malice, Vow of Lightning, and Crawlspace just to name a few. Since most of the pillowfort cards are in white, another route could be playing a card like Queen Marchesa and running Xantcha in the 99.
I think the 8x8 theory is solid for most of these categories! I feel that the player controlling Xantcha dying is a rare enough occurrence (she'll probably get destroyed or another player could get taken out before them) that you might not need a full 8 slots dedicated to sacrificing her. If this does happen, you could always use your single-target removal on her and run a bit more of it. It's not ideal, but might save you from situations where you have a Viscera Seer or Ashnod's Altar and nothing to sacrifice with it.
Same goes with the politics and memes. Depending on your definition of memes, they could have a lot of overlap there too so you might not need to dedicate 16 slots in your deck to both of those (like Curse of Opulence, Sower of Discord, or Disrupt Decorum).
Overall I think you're on the right track and I can't wait to see what you end up with!
1 year ago
You should add Deserted Temple. You can use it to untap Maze of Ith or Spires of Orazca. Thespian's Stage can also copy those lands as well since neither are legendary. If your deck would be interested in more land ramp you might want to also consider Kor Cartographer as a viable option. Nim Deathmantle also seems like a practical card to run especially after a board-wipe or to recur Kami of False Hope.
This looks like a fun deck. Hope my suggestions help out.
1 year ago
so don't know about the thing which cancels the usefulness of the lands other than tapping the lands for mana :/
1 year ago
The main strategy I'd go with is generating large amounts of artifact tokens/creatures to win with either riches or crazy recursion loops with giant beaters, sacking a few myr or thopters with something like Champion of Stray Souls to bring back all your giant beasties. This is just a bunch of possible options that would help with that strategy.
Suggested Lands, don't need that many basics since you won't be fetching that many in U/B
Jwar Isle Refuge
Geier Reach Sanitarium
Arch of Orazca
- Magnifying Glass
- Ruthless Knave
- Revel in Riches
- Deadeye Plunderers
- Sly Requisitioner
- Genesis Chamber
- Prototype Portal
- Golem Foundry
- Pitiless Plunderer
- Myr Sire
- Efficient Construction
- Prying Blade
- Tamiyo's Journal
I'm not dead yet!
- Soul of New Phyrexia
- Artisan of Kozilek
- Betrayal of Flesh
- Champion of Stray Souls
- Diabolic Servitude
- Dread Return
- Ever After
- Hell's Caretaker
- Infernal Offering
- Profane Command
- Stitch Together
- Tempt with Immortality
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