Meloku the Clouded Mirror
Legendary Creature — Moonfolk Wizard
, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Create a 1/1 blue Illusion creature token with flying.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Meloku the Clouded Mirror Discussion
1 week ago
i think you could get some use out of some of the better Moonfolk that return a land to your hand, combined with things that you have like Ayula's Influence. Meloku the Clouded Mirror and Uyo, Silent Prophet are probably the best but a couple other cool ones are Soratami Mirror-Mage and Soratami Savant. some other useful tricks to return lands to your hands are Vapor Snare, Deprive and Tragic Lesson. Trench Behemoth could also be an alternate win condition along the same vein. a few other land discard cards are Trade Routes and Compulsive Research. Greenseeker would also be very useful here. sweet deck overall and probably not room to add all of this but a few more tweaks could really make this shine.
3 weeks ago
This post is going a bit long, but I wanted to give some constructive feedback, and this is an archetype I love to play around with.
Infinite Turns is probably the best thing you can set up in your build with almost no changes, most cEDH decks run that as their primary win con. You can easily tutor for the lands needed (people use Strip Mine I understand), and blue tutors can find the infinite turns spell, making it pretty easy to set up. Because you need so many Islands out to make Sanctuary work, I feel like the oddball cards like Cultivate/Kodama's Reach make sense, as a land in hand is very good early, and you will almost never be stuck on 2 mana, the main weakness of those 3 mana ramp spells. With Aesi, you automatically get a bonus land drop, so you just need a way to bounce Mystic Sanctuary and you're ready to combo. I think Trade Routes is about the best option, but Meloku the Clouded Mirror is decent, giving you flyers to win with if he's bouncing Sanctuary. Bounce also dodges graveyard hate like Rest in Peace that would otherwise neutralize your combo, not sure if you face such decks.
Aesi wants ramp rocks compared to Tatyova, with 5 feeling much cheaper. Jeweled Lotus is worth considering for the speed, and you're right, Mana Crypt and Vault should both likely be in to rush out your Commander.
I could be completely wrong on this, but I feel like you probably want more lands, I run 45 in my Tatyova deck, and I do not feel like it's too many. I honestly suspect the deck would play more smoothly with even more, since I like opening hands with 4 or more lands, and despise ones with 2. Aesi will probably need to play 5 lands (and have played ramp) before getting a card, and from my math you should expect to hit 5 lands at 12 cards. Aesi feels pretty clunky if you can't pretty much guarantee an extra land drop the turn you play it, but I admit 42 sounds like a lot. To double check, I recommend running it through a hypergeometric calculator, that's how I figure out my land count for more optimized decks.
Gush is generally a good card at higher levels. In your deck, I guess Gush is going to be good for 4 cards, and perhaps 2 extra mana that turn. That is good enough to run I'd say, and you shouldn't struggle to get out 2 islands to bounce.
Cursed Totem is a reasonable card (and worth running), and Collector Ouphe is a big nuisance for sure. You might consider Energy Flux as it's sometimes a bit better, though other times worse. A stax card I've always wanted to try out in Tatyova is Freyalise's Winds, which hopefully won't affect you as much as other people since you are putting extra lands into play. Most higher level decks set up a ton of mana at once, and Winds will make that a bad strategy arguably, giving opponents many dead turns if they can't hit land drops consistently. I never have tried it because my Tatyova deck cannot handle the attention that card would attract, and I don't have any other decks that can really make it work. Not really sure if it'll work for you or not. Mana Web is pretty interesting, it could be good enough, especially if people like to hold up instant speed interaction and run duals, they likely will have to choose.
Well, I feel like looking through your deck has helped give me some good ideas for my own Tatyova deck, so thanks for posting this! Infinitely Inevitable Combo is my work-in-progress infinite combo deck, and it mostly uses land bounce, if you want to see how that works.
2 months ago
Hey, well done for a first deck. You have good card sense on a budget and you've even included Rimewood for Farseek, nice. Sol Ring and Arcane Signet are staple budget mana rocks in Commander to consider adding.
I see Retreat to Coralhelm, but I don't see the missing piece to the Retreat landfall combo. Budget Llanowar Scout or Scaled Herbalist tap to put a land from your hand onto the battlefield thus you can untap one of them with Retreat and repeat. These creatures let you put a land from your hand onto the battlefield at instant speed to trigger Aesi on opponent's turn. The last piece of the combo is Simic Growth Chamber or Guildless Commons. The land can bounce itself back to your hand and repeat.
I see Kodama of the East Tree; if you add Meloku the Clouded Mirror then you have another landfall combo. Any basic land can be repeatedly bounced and played to create infinite 1/1 Spirits. Tap a basic land to make one mana, use that mana to pay for Meloku and bounce the basic land you just tapped. This creates a 1/1 Spirit which triggers Kodama, put the same basic land from your hand and repeat.
There's a secondary sea monster theme here which Ominous Seas would expand on. Seas has interaction with Aesi since you put a counter on it each time you draw a card including your first draw each of your turns. Combine Seas with Retreat combo to make infinite 8/8 Krakens. Whelming Wave can be a blowout since Aesi is a Serpent. Bounce all opponents creatures leaving just Aesi and any other sea monsters still on the battlefield. Wave is nice Fierce Empath to bounce it to then cast it again to tutor again.
Teferi's Ageless Insight lets you draw an additional card whenever you draw a card. For each card drawn means that if you have an effect that draws more than one card such as Brainstorm you instead draw six cards. Yavimaya Coast, Bant Panorama, Blighted Woodland are some budget land upgrades to consider.
Some cards to consider cutting:
- Llanowar Tribe: too difficult of a casting cost when playing so many Islands.
- Engulf the Shore: too many Forests.
- Arbor Elf: too many Islands.
- Sphinx of Uthuun: not needed and too much CMC for what it does.
- Verdant Sun's Avatar: not needed, have life gaining from other cards that are less CMC.
- Khalni Heart Expedition: subpar source for ramp/landfall.
- Explosive Vegetation: the other two four drop land ramp spells are better.
- Beast Whisperer: a good card, but you can get repeatable draw from other sources that don't require you to cast a creature since the majority of the creatures here are high CMC.
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Hello again. I’ve commented on your deck before. I’ve got a few card suggestions I’ld like your thoughts on. First is Ashaya, Soul of the Wild who gives you a lot more landfall triggers and pairs well with the cloudstone curio. The next one is a two card combo that will give you infinite creature tokens and infinite landfall triggers. Meloku the Clouded Mirror + Kodama of the East Tree works by returning a land to your hand to create a token which triggers Kodama which will let you put the land you just returned to hand back into play to be bounced back to create another token and rinse and repeat for infinite tokens and landfall triggers. Thespian's Stage and Vesuva for copies of your field of the dead or any other lands you may want multiples of and Mirage Mirror to copy anything you want really, except for legendaries obviously.
2 months ago
Looks like you really want to have lands to play for free when you hit a token. Do you have enough card draw to stay ahead of this? Would Journeyer's Kite be a good card?
2 months ago
Hey, you're welcome, nice changes.
Is the +1/+1 counter theme worth it here? Bane is a good card in multiplayer, but it doesn't need a +1/+1 counter theme to be good, it just happens to use +1/+1 counters. Champion of Lambholt also uses counters, but she gets counters from creating creature tokens, interaction with Twincasters. Fractals also have counters, but that's just how they're created, the additional +1/+1 counter theme isn't really helping Fractals. +1/+1 counters don't have interaction with making token copies of creatures since the token copy doesn't get the counters when it's created.
A good counter interaction here is Primal Empathy + Fathom Mage , but how consistent is it that you get both these cards without having tutors to get them? Not sure if Fathom is worth playing as a draw source when it wants a more expanded counter theme to get the most out of it. Empathy, you don't have a consistent high power creature to take advantage of the draw.
Fae Offering has a good token effect with Twincasters, but only if you can trigger it which consistently seems too difficult here. Khalni Ambush Flip, fight is good with Hornet Nest , but I don't think I would play a card that all it does is fight just to have this interaction. You don't really have powerful enough creatures until later in the game that can fight an opponents creature, kill it while also having your creature survive.
Some budget changes to consider based on my last comment:
- Tireless Provisioner --> Rishkar, Peema Renegade
- Meloku the Clouded Mirror --> Deekah, Fractal Theorist
- Kodama of the East Tree --> Managorger Hydra
- Champion of Lambholt --> Master Biomancer
- Spawnwrithe --> Fae Offering
- Risen Reef --> Fathom Mage
- Double Major --> Khalni Ambush Flip
- Fierce Empath --> Nissa's Expedition
- Mystic Reflection --> Turn Aside
- Reconnaissance Mission --> Eureka Moment
2 months ago
Hey, well done so far with a budget upgrade of the precon.
Meloku the Clouded Mirror would be good here because it can be a repeatable source of tokens for Twincasters as well as a landfall enabler. Pair Meloku with Kodama of the East Tree + a basic land for infinite 1/1 Illusions and infinite landfall at instant speed. Tap a basic land to pay to activate Meloku to return that basic land to your hand and create a 1/1 Illusion token that triggers Kodama. Put that basic land from hand onto the battlefield, tap it to activate Meloku and repeat. When the basic land returns to your hand from Meloku it's a new object that has no connection to the basic land that was previously on the battlefield thus Kodama doesn't recognize it as being put onto the battlefield with it's ability.
Kodama also combos with Rampaging Baloths + Simic Growth Chamber as the land enabler for infinite landfall for infinite 4/4 Beasts since Chamber can return itself back to your hand and Kodama can put it back onto the battlefield to repeat. Fierce Empath can search for Kodama or Rampaging and it's a creature to make a token copy of. Add Garruk's Uprising for a draw engine as well as trample source.
Champion of Lambholt cares about +1/+1 counters and she triggers whenever a creature token is created. She can get big quick which makes all creatures you control unblockable. Pair Lambholt with Spawnwrithe + Twincasters to make an out of control army of Spawnwrithes who when each does combat damage to an opponent makes two copies of itself which grows Lambholt. Giant Adephage could replace Spawnwrithe since they do the same thing just one is three mana and other is seven mana. Add Curiosity Crafter or Reconnaissance Mission for a draw engine.
Tireless Provisioner is a repeatable source of treasures making it good repeatable ramp since it has interaction with Twincasters. Mimic Vat is powerful repeatable token source in multiplayer Commander since you can imprint an opponent's creature who dies, but sadly the additional token that Twincaster makes also gets exiled.
Cackling Counterpart is an instant to create a token of a creature you control. Mystic Reflection can create many copies of a nonlegendary creature of your choice when a creature or many creatures at the same time ETB. Double Major can make a token copy of a creature if you cast it while that creature spell is on the stack.
Risen Reef is a creature you want to make a token copy of because each Risen triggers itself as well as all other Risens you control. With Twincasters and one Risen in your control, if you make a token copy of Risen then you get six Risen triggers since both token copies ETB at the same time and see each other. Each token sees each other when they ETB which is four triggers and each token Risen also triggers Risen already on the battlefield for two more triggers for a total of six Risen triggers.
If interested in any of these suggestions then I offer more advice including cuts to consider. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
Cards like Evolving Wilds , Izzet Boilerworks , Guildless Commons and Naya Panorama would double up on land drops or at least let a land be put back into hand to be used again. Firewild Borderpost , Meloku the Clouded Mirror