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Meloku the Clouded Mirror
Legendary Creature — Moonfolk Wizard
, Return a land you control to its owner's hand: Create a 1/1 blue Illusion creature token with flying.
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1 month ago
Have you thought about tossing Harrow in? It's usually better Roiling Regrowth, as long as nobody counters your ramp spells. Stone-Seeder Hierophant has to tap to ramp you, but if you can hit multiple landfall per turn it can be a lot of mana.
This is pretty out there, but Simic Growth Chamber and Guildless Commons are interesting cards, they offer access to an extra land drop as a floor, but technically you can bounce the land itself and replay it if you've got ways to do it, like Skyshroud Ranger for example (there are others, not all low budget, but several are), it can let you hit potentially infinite land drops using a card like Retreat to Coralhelm, which is pretty powerful in Tatyova. Retreat also interacts positively with Tatyova and Dreamscape Artist, which is pretty budget and is a source of tons of landfall over time even without Retreat. Oboro Breezecaller is a nifty way to keep hitting land drops, even if you're not really gaining ground you still draw cards. She can ramp you nicely if you have lands that tap for more than 1 mana, which can be via the Growth Chamber, Commons, or via an aura like Wild Growth or Overgrowth or Fertile Ground, and they are some of the more efficient ramp as long as people don't run enchantment hate/wipes, you can enchant an untapped land often and gain that ramp the same turn, which is usually better/safer than a ramp rock. I also like Soratami Mirror-Mage and Meloku the Clouded Mirror, all three can readily go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm and a creature that taps to put a land into play, and all 3 make it very easy to hit your potential land drops. Not really sure why, but while everyone agrees Thrasios is amazing, very few people seem to care about Parcelbeast, but it's a good card in Tatyova. If you have Retreat out obviously you can untap when you hit a land, and if you have extra landfall available, you can use a separate landfall to untap the Parcelbeast so you can keep trying for another land, but it's not like 1 mana and tapping your Parcelbeast is a big ask. Also, if you can manage to put a Parcelbeast (or any other Mutate creature, including something like Sea-Dasher Octopus could be decent, there are some huge bodies) onto a Scute Swarm, you'll clone the mutated creature, which can be a 7/7 potentially. Most Mutate creatures seem to just give you a buff when they mutate, but some offer useful abilities that you'd like cloned. This will weird people out, but it's a nice play in budget I suspect.
A bit random, but Tatyova decks should usually be running the card Gush, you might not even mind bouncing the lands, the card draw is a nice perk, with the cost being the main upside of the card. It interacts nicely with Mystic Sanctuary and the aforementioned land-into-play dorks and Retreat to Coralhelm to draw as much as you want, and have other landfall benefits. Even if all you do is draw 2 cards and hit 2 more land drops you would have missed, that's a huge payoff for literally no mana IMHO.
I like having Primal Command in budget Green decks, it's a lot of mana but it can do a lot of stuff technically. If you throw in anything that can recur it, you can keep reshuffling your graveyard back in, which can be useful. Curse of the Swine is a nice juicy removal spell for Simic, it not only exiles, it can hit tons of targets, allowing you to compete with recursive decks more readily.
Cool deck, hope some of this is interesting/helpful!
4 months ago
Well, the only reason Moraug, Fury of Akoum can't go infinite is because there's no way to infinitely untap Walking Atlas in red, so adding Meloku the Clouded Mirror to the mix allows us to go infinite with Retreat to Coralhelm or Tideforce Elemental.
Sounds fun :)
6 months ago
If you want to bounce some lands you can look into using some moonfolk like Meloku the Clouded Mirror which can be paired with Patron of the Moon, Azusa, Lost but Seeking, and Dryad of the Ilysian Grove
On a separate note Greater Good might be worth condisering you have some pretty high powered creatures. It pairs well with Splendid Reclamation and World Shaper which can lead to an explosive turn with your landfall cards in play.
7 months ago
I think your land count is ok, but I wouldn't go any lower. Going up to 39/40 would be useful, but isn't absolutely necessary.
9 months ago
unwucht, yeah Splendid Reclamation is a good option to add, especially after a Scapeshift, but I decided to stick with Life from the Loam over that when I chose between the two when I decided to not have both included. If I ever decide to switch back to a land destruction sub theme, I would definitely have Splendid Reclamation added. How has your brew been holding up? Any new adjustments? Any good stories to share? I’ve been experimenting with Kodama of the East Tree and a token generator with a bounce land as a combo, also, Kodama pairs well with Meloku the Clouded Mirror especially with a haste enabler onboard. It’s been fun.
10 months ago
i think you could get some use out of some of the better Moonfolk that return a land to your hand, combined with things that you have like Ayula's Influence. Meloku the Clouded Mirror and Uyo, Silent Prophet are probably the best but a couple other cool ones are Soratami Mirror-Mage and Soratami Savant. some other useful tricks to return lands to your hands are Vapor Snare, Deprive and Tragic Lesson. Trench Behemoth could also be an alternate win condition along the same vein. a few other land discard cards are Trade Routes and Compulsive Research. Greenseeker would also be very useful here. sweet deck overall and probably not room to add all of this but a few more tweaks could really make this shine.
10 months ago
This post is going a bit long, but I wanted to give some constructive feedback, and this is an archetype I love to play around with.
Infinite Turns is probably the best thing you can set up in your build with almost no changes, most cEDH decks run that as their primary win con. You can easily tutor for the lands needed (people use Strip Mine I understand), and blue tutors can find the infinite turns spell, making it pretty easy to set up. Because you need so many Islands out to make Sanctuary work, I feel like the oddball cards like Cultivate/Kodama's Reach make sense, as a land in hand is very good early, and you will almost never be stuck on 2 mana, the main weakness of those 3 mana ramp spells. With Aesi, you automatically get a bonus land drop, so you just need a way to bounce Mystic Sanctuary and you're ready to combo. I think Trade Routes is about the best option, but Meloku the Clouded Mirror is decent, giving you flyers to win with if he's bouncing Sanctuary. Bounce also dodges graveyard hate like Rest in Peace that would otherwise neutralize your combo, not sure if you face such decks.
Aesi wants ramp rocks compared to Tatyova, with 5 feeling much cheaper. Jeweled Lotus is worth considering for the speed, and you're right, Mana Crypt and Vault should both likely be in to rush out your Commander.
I could be completely wrong on this, but I feel like you probably want more lands, I run 45 in my Tatyova deck, and I do not feel like it's too many. I honestly suspect the deck would play more smoothly with even more, since I like opening hands with 4 or more lands, and despise ones with 2. Aesi will probably need to play 5 lands (and have played ramp) before getting a card, and from my math you should expect to hit 5 lands at 12 cards. Aesi feels pretty clunky if you can't pretty much guarantee an extra land drop the turn you play it, but I admit 42 sounds like a lot. To double check, I recommend running it through a hypergeometric calculator, that's how I figure out my land count for more optimized decks.
Gush is generally a good card at higher levels. In your deck, I guess Gush is going to be good for 4 cards, and perhaps 2 extra mana that turn. That is good enough to run I'd say, and you shouldn't struggle to get out 2 islands to bounce.
Cursed Totem is a reasonable card (and worth running), and Collector Ouphe is a big nuisance for sure. You might consider Energy Flux as it's sometimes a bit better, though other times worse. A stax card I've always wanted to try out in Tatyova is Freyalise's Winds, which hopefully won't affect you as much as other people since you are putting extra lands into play. Most higher level decks set up a ton of mana at once, and Winds will make that a bad strategy arguably, giving opponents many dead turns if they can't hit land drops consistently. I never have tried it because my Tatyova deck cannot handle the attention that card would attract, and I don't have any other decks that can really make it work. Not really sure if it'll work for you or not. Mana Web is pretty interesting, it could be good enough, especially if people like to hold up instant speed interaction and run duals, they likely will have to choose.
Well, I feel like looking through your deck has helped give me some good ideas for my own Tatyova deck, so thanks for posting this! Infinitely Inevitable Combo is my work-in-progress infinite combo deck, and it mostly uses land bounce, if you want to see how that works.
1 year ago
Hey, well done for a first deck. You have good card sense on a budget and you've even included Rimewood for Farseek, nice. Sol Ring and Arcane Signet are staple budget mana rocks in Commander to consider adding.
I see Retreat to Coralhelm, but I don't see the missing piece to the Retreat landfall combo. Budget Llanowar Scout or Scaled Herbalist tap to put a land from your hand onto the battlefield thus you can untap one of them with Retreat and repeat. These creatures let you put a land from your hand onto the battlefield at instant speed to trigger Aesi on opponent's turn. The last piece of the combo is Simic Growth Chamber or Guildless Commons. The land can bounce itself back to your hand and repeat.
I see Kodama of the East Tree; if you add Meloku the Clouded Mirror then you have another landfall combo. Any basic land can be repeatedly bounced and played to create infinite 1/1 Spirits. Tap a basic land to make one mana, use that mana to pay for Meloku and bounce the basic land you just tapped. This creates a 1/1 Spirit which triggers Kodama, put the same basic land from your hand and repeat.
There's a secondary sea monster theme here which Ominous Seas would expand on. Seas has interaction with Aesi since you put a counter on it each time you draw a card including your first draw each of your turns. Combine Seas with Retreat combo to make infinite 8/8 Krakens. Whelming Wave can be a blowout since Aesi is a Serpent. Bounce all opponents creatures leaving just Aesi and any other sea monsters still on the battlefield. Wave is nice Fierce Empath to bounce it to then cast it again to tutor again.
Teferi's Ageless Insight lets you draw an additional card whenever you draw a card. For each card drawn means that if you have an effect that draws more than one card such as Brainstorm you instead draw six cards. Yavimaya Coast, Bant Panorama, Blighted Woodland are some budget land upgrades to consider.
Some cards to consider cutting:
- Llanowar Tribe: too difficult of a casting cost when playing so many Islands.
- Engulf the Shore: too many Forests.
- Arbor Elf: too many Islands.
- Sphinx of Uthuun: not needed and too much CMC for what it does.
- Verdant Sun's Avatar: not needed, have life gaining from other cards that are less CMC.
- Khalni Heart Expedition: subpar source for ramp/landfall.
- Explosive Vegetation: the other two four drop land ramp spells are better.
- Beast Whisperer: a good card, but you can get repeatable draw from other sources that don't require you to cast a creature since the majority of the creatures here are high CMC.
Good luck with your deck.