Renegade Map enters the battlefield tapped.
[symbol:t], Sacrifice Renegade Map: Search your library for a basic land card, reveal it, put it into your hand, then shuffle your library.
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Renegade Map Discussion
multimedia on jodah
3 months ago
Hey, looks good for your first Commander deck. You haven't finished the manabase? Nice Ugin, the Spirit Dragon :)
What's the max budget for your deck? I ask because you haven't allocated yet for lands in the manabase. 35x basic lands is not going to work when you want to pay for spells. When playing five colors the manabase and the amount of color fixing you have in your deck is very important. If you don't make these things priority to focus on getting right then your deck will have a difficult time functioning when playing so many colors.
You have a good start by including the budget land ramp spells ( Cultivate , Sakura-Tribe Elder ), but you're going to want a lot more than just these spells for both ramp and more importantly for color fixing. You can build a five color manabase on a budget with basic lands using some dual lands that have interaction with basic lands, Tri lands and other budget lands.
Here's an example:
- Command Tower
- Exotic Orchard
- Cascading Cataracts
- Ash Barrens
- Evolving Wilds
- Mystic Monastery
- Opulent Palace
- Frontier Bivouac
- Sandsteppe Citadel
- Seaside Citadel
- Nomad Outpost
- Prairie Stream
- Cinder Glade
- Sunken Hollow
- Woodland Cemetery
- Sunpetal Grove
- Dragonskull Summit
- Yavimaya Coast
- Battlefield Forge
- Caves of Koilos
- Llanowar Wastes
- 8x Forest
- 2x Island
- 2x Plains
- 2x Mountain
- 2x Swamp
This example manabase is not ideal by any means, but it's low budget and a starting point for future upgrades. Sunken, Glade or Stream are dual lands that Farseek can search for since they're two different land types. Being able to land ramp with a dual land with Farseek makes Farseek better and helps with color fixing.
A budget manabase like this example can use color fixing from other nonland sources. Signets and other budget mana rocks that can make colored mana and ramp are options.
- Izzet Signet
- Selesnya Signet
- Dimir Signet
- Boros Signet
- Golgari Signet
- Fellwar Stone or Arcane Signet
- Commander's Sphere or Chromatic Lantern
With Signets you can pay for the colorless mana cost with mana from any source such as a land. That mana then turns into two different colors of mana. For example if you have two Signets on the battlefield and two lands then that mana can be four different colors of mana. In this manabase example there's more green sources than others that's because green is the enabler color to help to get all the other colors with land ramp and mana dorks. There's more green than the rest because you consistently want to have green mana in the early game.
- Joiner Adept or Chromatic Lantern
- Paradise Druid or Birds of Paradise
- Faeburrow Elder
- Fertile Ground
Joiner Adept lets you tap lands for any color of mana which is great color fixing when playing five colors. Chromatic Lantern is a more expensive price card that does the same thing and it's better because it also ramps. Faeburrow Elder and Paradise Druid are called mana dorks and either one can tap to make different colors of mana. Faeburrow by itself can tap to make two mana . With Jodah, Archmage Eternal on the battlefield it can make four mana . If you have Jodah and have a permanent on the battlefield that's black then Faeburrow can tap to make all five colors of mana.
Fertile Ground is an example of another source of color fixing/ramp that's different than the rest. It's an aura that enchants a land you control. When the enchanted land is tapped it makes two colors of mana; one mana that the land could produce and another mana of any color you choose.
Color fixing sources that also ramp are better than ones that don't. If you can as the saying goes "kill two birds with one stone" then it can help your deck. Including most cards that can do two different things you want are better than cards that can only do one thing you want. For example Cultivate ramps and color fixes since it can find two different basic lands. Izzet Signet taps to ramp and color fix two different colors of mana. Renegade Map only color fixes, it doesn't ramp because it only puts the land you search for into your hand not onto the battlefield and it can't tap to make mana.
Sylvan Scrying is one exception since it can tutor (search your library) for any one land and put it into your hand. That's powerful and helpful to have when you can get a land that can make any color of mana such as Command Tower or better yet Cascading Cataracts which can tap along with five other sources of mana of any colors to make all five different colors of mana. This land makes it easy to be able to make five different colors to cast spells with Jodah. Cataracts is good with ramp from mana rocks.
I have suggested a lot of cards which means if you want to include them then you'll have to make many cuts. I'm not going to give you suggestions of cuts now, but if you're interested in any of these suggestions then I offer to help to make cuts. This is the nature of building budget many colored decks in Commander; have to allocate a lot of deck spots to cards to help the manabase and to make sure your deck can function, so you can reliably cast cards. Good luck with your deck.
4 months ago
cut: 4x Eye Collector 2x Lochmere Serpent 4x Merfolk Secretkeeper 4x Murderous Rider 4x Overwhelmed Apprentice 2x Rankle, Master of Pranks 4x Vantress Gargoyle 2x Castle Locthwain 2x Castle Vantress 11x Island 2x Mystic Sanctuary 7x Swamp 2x Didn't Say Please 4x Drown in the Loch 4x Into the Story 2x Folio of Fancies
9 months ago
10 months ago
Well I can see two big problems with your deck- but only two.
1) Ramp. Yes, the fellow above commented on it, figured I'd belabor the point. Armillary Sphere , Burnished Hart , Mycosynth Wellspring , Pilgrim's Eye , Renegade Map , and Wayfarer's Bauble are all good ramp spells.
I also feel your commander should definitely be Rakdos, the Showstopper . You appear to be a fan of chance and of shaking up the board state- that is, rocking the board state violently. You could put in a copy of Krark's Thumb and just roll with that. I don't see you getting much value out of the price reduction until you already have a few demons out.
Now, if you want any suggestions on cards to cut feel free to ask, but a lot of people don't take that super well so I'll hold off until I've got the OK.
1 year ago
I like this ping ping thing you have here.
I agree with Traumitz that Great Furnace and Vault of Whispers would be great additions to this deck. With those additions, you could consider replacing some Renegade Map and Traveler's Amulet with Expedition Map in order to grab the artifact lands.
Given that your mana curve is so low, I wonder if you need so much land fetching. Consider more draw. I like Costly Plunder , maybe even more than I like Sign in Blood here. If your lands were artifacts and you had too many, you could sacrifice them to Costly Plunder for value$$.
For three mana you could include protection in the form of Herbal Poultice . It fits the theme, protects and triggers but the mana cost is steep.
Ornithopter seems out of place in this deck unless you NEED a zero mana creature or a powerless flying blocker. If you can push it to one mana you could get a lot more value out of Myr Servitor and sac outlets such is Costly Plunder or ¿ Ashnod's Altar ?
You really have me geeking on this deck...
1 year ago
I was intrigued and looked for your list, but I didn't see it on TappedOut. We should compare, at the very least!
In any case, sorry it took so long to write this response. I wanted to try and break down what I think are your main points, and, well, I apologize if I misinterpreted you, but here's what I got out of your comment:
The way I read it, it looks like you're saying the deck needs to be slower. This reading is a little unfair on my part, possibly a little too overly hostile, but, I mean, I can't fathom a turn-six kill when I play a card like Peregrination on turn four. Like, that's just not going to happen. And if you're arguing that the deck becomes more able to grind, well, I have two problems with that:
First, I guess I don't know your meta entirely, but do non-optomized tables not just gun for Sasaya immediately? Like, even just reading what she does kind of sets off some alarm bells, doesn't it? I know everytime I play with somebody new, whenever I get to the "So if I have six Forests out, they all tap for six green" bit, the inevitable response is something akin to "Oh, that's not good." And then if the combo does work, all the more incentive to get targeted next game, or next week, or whenever I play the deck again. That's why I aim for speed above everything else, because if I don't, well, I just get run over.
Second, the methods you suggest of becoming more resilient don't really work? Like, yeah, Howling Mine has its uses, but I'd really rather not give my opponents more cards to beat me with, because I'm still the target. It's also why I'm skeptical of Oath of Druids . It's not that I probably won't get free stuff, it's that other people get free stuff first, and when Sasaya's on top of the hill -- a position the deck's going to be in until it's dead -- all that free stuff is headed right at me. I figure you disagree with me about this -- I mean, you did talk about how people want to deal with other people's threats -- but that really hasn't been my experience.
Incidentally, these are the reasons I cut utility lands as well. They do have a use. Of course they have a use. But that use is kind of marginal when just playing them makes the deck slower. If they were named "Forest" or "Snow-Covered Forest", we might be talking, but they're not. The only instance I can imagine where that wouldn't be the case is hitting one off of Oracle of Mul Daya , and that seems kind of marginal at best. I've mentioned this before, but sometimes I'm not even sure Scrying Sheets belongs in this deck.
But, speaking of Utility lands, let's talk Reliquary Tower . Or, I guess more specifically, "no max hand size" effects and why I think they're bad/overrated:
So the consensus as far as I understand it in "real EDH" (read: non-Sasaya) circles is that these cards (Reliquary Tower specifically, though I imagine Spellbook and Library of Leng have similar reasoning (at least Thought Vessel is a mana rock)) are kind of win-more. Like, there is definitely the feel-bad psychological effect of casting a big Blue Sun's Zenith , not finding an outlet for all those cards, and having to discard all the way back down to seven, effectively wasting all that mana, but if you think about it, at the end of the day you're still keeping seven really good cards. So that plus the fact that the graveyard is much more of a resource in EDH than almost anywhere else, and the "no max hand size" effect starts to lose its luster.
But let's talk about Sasaya specifically. As you mentioned, seven lands is a lot of hand space. Under normal circumstances, that means you'll only really have room for one payoff spell, so it better be a good one (put a pin in this idea, we'll come back to it in a bit). But there are alternatives. Last paragraph, I talked about the feel-bad of not getting to keep that big hand, but remember how that big hand happened in the first place: a Blue Sun's Zenith. More specific to my point: an instant.
Continuing this thought experiment a little further, let's ask why a player might cast a 7+ card draw spell in the first place. One might imagine that a player casts such a draw spell hoping for an effect that removes their hand limit, but that's not the only possibility. They could also be looking for a specific combo -- a way to end the game. Compare that to Sasaya's instant-speed land searchers (a special shout-out to Yavimaya Elder !). In Sasaya's case, the payoff effect we're looking for is already in the Command Zone.
In my opinion, therefore, the deck doesn't need its hand limit removed because there are enough effects that ignore that limitation, and cards like Expedition Map that can find these cards aren't actually that good.
But the "why" for that specific claim is a different topic entirely. Let's talk about it!
In your post, you mentioned that cards like Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , and Peregrination were all "ideal ramp spells" for a Sasaya player, as they also added a land to the hand, therefore ending up card-positive. Now, I already dismissed Peregrination out of hand for being too slow, but it's important to include it here as well because I feel it has the same other trappings that might encourage a Sasaya player to play these cards. In short, I posit that these cards are, in fact, card-neutral at best.
This applies to Renegade Map et al. as well, but I'm just going to focus on the sorceries just for simplicity's sake. Let's examine a typical goldfish turn. First, the draw step. Obviously, they're at plus one card. Then, the goldfish plays a land, removing a card, then playing a non-land, which is minus another. If that non-land is a Cultivate effect, that only adds one card back, which leaves the goldfish more or less where they started. Because ramp becomes negligible once Sasaya flips (while there is certainly a difference between, say, eightteen starting mana and twenty-eight, I find it's not enough to worry about, and the difference between twenty-eight and forty is even less), that means the goldfish is spending three mana on nothing much at all (as a sidenote, you might notice Nissa's Pilgrimage and Evolution Charm in the deck, which seem to contradict this point. However, both of these cards have occasional upside potential. It doesn't always happen (and, in Pilgrimage's case, certainly never on Turn 3), but circumstances for it do exist, so they keep their slots).
The solution some Sasaya players offer is to stop making land drops, but that seems so tempo-negative to me. I feel that, if I do continue making land-drops, eventually I'll be able to cast these giant threats without the help of Sasaya, and could easily win the game that way.
Lastly, before I get into specific cards, I wanted to talk about the ramp spells I do play. Namely Azusa, Lost but Seeking and similar effects. I already mentioned the speed aspect of my build, and these cards are a part of that. To be more specific, these cards are in the deck to turn cards like Chord of Calling and Citanul Flute into more ramp if necessary, which, when you're going for a Sasaya flip and a kill in the same turn, is worth having in the toolbox. But these cards also function as pseudo-alternate win-conditions. As I alluded to just a paragraph above, the only difference between tapping ten lands for a Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and tapping one or two is how smug the caster gets to feel. But the caster still gets an eldrazi in either method, so I don't think the difference in smugness is very big.
So now we come back to that pin I made earlier. Let's talk card specifics. Now, I've tried to go through a lot of these already, sifting through to get at your main points, but there are some notable stragglers, so let's take a look:
Summer Bloom : I've tried it. The problem is, because it's a one-shot effect, it's way too dead pre-flip. Azusa and her kin are both tutorable and stick around, so they're just better.
Skyship Weatherlight : This and Book of Rass are my two favorite suggestions, and I definitely want to try playing around with them on paper instead of just theorycrafting. If there's anything you take from this too-long screed, I want to thank you for bringing these cards to my attention.
Goblin Cannon : This was suggested before and I didn't really dismiss it off-hand, though I did ask "What do I cut?" I didn't have a good answer, then, though maybe it's -1 Akroma's Memorial , Hydra Broodmaster , and Kamahl, Fist of Krosa for +1 Goblin Cannon , Book of Rass , and Skyship Weatherlight ? I'm still hesitant because Kamahl at least is fine pre-flip (Broodmaster is bad yes, but not terrible. At least, I think there's a difference there), not to mention in my meta, effects like Crawlspace and Ensnaring Bridge are less popular than Leyline of Sanctity or even Aegis of the Gods . I guess there I'll have to test and see. You're right, by the way, about Akroma's Memorial being pretty dead 99% of the time, but it's the best haste outlet, and specific kill's been good enough for me.
If I didn't mention a card here, it's because it obviously is different from either my strategy as I've listed in various places, or is implicitly against the deckbuilding philosophy of my particular list. Or maybe I missed it, and you can bring it up if/when you respond.
In any case, thanks for the comment, and keep fighting the mono-green combo fight!
1 year ago
Always nice to find another Sasaya player! This deck is a hard nut to crack but I think you are on the absolute right track. I will try to share what works for me. As you surely know the deck plays vastly differently with and without a fliped Sasaya, so I will give you my thoughts for each part, as well as a few general things I found useful.
Pre-flip: This is the part where every mana spent counts. Spells you want to cast here should be as cheap as possible and make flipping easier. It seems kinda obvious but: to have 7 lands in hand, you have to have at least 7 cards in hand! Keeping your card count high while playing spells and lands is key for a fast flip. Continuous card draw like Howling Mine works great for this, top deck manipulation with Sensei's Divining Top is also nice. Spells like Gatecreeper Vine are essentially a land in your hand while providing a blocker too. Ramunap Excavator and Crucible of Worlds let you play fetch lands or cycle lands from your graveyard keeping your stock in hand high. For that same reason Cultivate , Kodama's Reach , Peregrination and Khalni Gem are the best ramp spells you can get. Renegade Map , Traveler's Amulet and Wanderer's Twig push you over the threshold right before the turn you need it. Yes, they erode your hand size at first but that's right when Gaea's Bounty and the likes come in.
Post-flip: Great, you got 7 lands in hand and can flip! But what else? City of Solitude would be another Dosan to protect you, but the real problem is finding a payoff card in a deck that is almost 70% setup. As you already play the Portal and the Ring, I guess you'll like Skyship Weatherlight too. You'll run out of life before you run out of mana with Book of Rass . Personally I prefer cards I can play pre-flip and can activate post-flip. Domesticated Hydra or Unyaro Bees look stupid when you play them, but finish off the most dangerous opponent quickly. Temur Sabertooth can be used in too many ways to count. Polukranos, World Eater is a boardwipe (together with Khamal, a landwipe too) and finishes off whoever can't play a blocker fast enough. Realm Seekers are huge or can get a new set of lands, in case someone removes Sasaya.
My personal favorite: Oath of Druids ! You wouldn't think it works, but it simply does. It is a fast way to find Life, hitting a payoff creature means you don't have to cast it and the overall confusion when something big jumps out of another deck is a great distraction. Everytime I play it, the game is a blast!
General thoughts: A few things, that come to mind, because they work for me. Please see this as constructive critique you can ignore too, if you think your deck works for you. Because every extra land drop lowers your card count I really don't like additional land drops. While they are great for ramping pre-flip, they postpone the flip and become almost negligible post-flip. Essentially they are rituals and I only consider Summer Bloom worth the slot. I see you don't play any utility lands, but I think Glacial Chasm is just too good to pass up. While we're on the topic of utility lands, I really think you should reconsider on playing cards that give no maximum hand size too. To reiterate: you can only reveal 7 lands if you have at least 7 cards in hand. Having the leeway of more cards beside your lands is what makes the effect a must have in my opinion. Library of Leng and Thought Vessel are worth their slots for me, next to the Tower. You not playing this effect creates a spiral: you still have to get up to 7 lands but you can never not consider what to do at your cleanup, suddenly searching for multiple lands becomes worse, then you have less food for spell mastery or delirium. Everything together is costing you at least 1 turn pre-flip. Especially if you chose not to play "no maximum hand size"-cards, but also in general, playing lands from your graveyard is always a good way to preserve your hand size. You state the the wave chain as your best win condition and you are absolutely right, it is the best. Still I don't like the Memorial just for how useless it is pre-flip. Let's be honest if the first Wave hits an E-Wit, you can Wave for the whole deck. What you win the game with in the end doesn't really matter. I like Goblin Canon because it can still work pre-flip in a pinch and still works in the wave.
Too many cards to suggest but I hope there are some cards you want to try out. If you have questions I'll gladly follow up. Cheers!
1 year ago
It looks like your Got your divers license? deck... But two cards I feel like could be replaced would be Prismatic Lens and Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage. Raff is okay since there is such an abundance amount of artifacts... but the lens just seems meh. Since you are focusing on the Summoning Station as a win-con maybe Renegade Map? It isn't instant, nor does it put it into the battlefield like Wayfarer's Bauble but it doesn't require more mana to be sunk into it either.