Creature — Dragon
, Exile Runhorn Hellkite from your graveyard: Each player discards his or her hand, then draws seven cards.
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|Commander 2016 (C16)||Rare|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Runehorn Hellkite Discussion
2 days ago
I'm a big fan of Arguel's Blood Fast Flip. It comes down really early and can be used when you have leftover Mana after dropping a big dragon. The flip effect isn't even a consideration most of the time. Read the Bones goes pretty deep for it's cost. Runehorn Hellkite and Knollspine Dragon are in the tribe and offer high end draw with a body.
1 week ago
Runehorn Hellkite, Dragon Mage, Stalking Vengeance are some good non-devil creatures that work well with him. You'd also want Temple Bell in the deck if you're going to be sacrificing creatures Mass Mutiny, Mob Rule are good options, enchantment burn options that aren't the god of the forge, Impact Tremors, Warstorm Surge, Vicious Shadows.
1 month ago
Other things I'm surprised not to see in here: Teferi's Puzzle Box, Mindmoil, Arjun, the Shifting Flame. These don't necessarily combo with the Brallin side of the deck, but it DOES work with Shabraz. Not only that, this can help us get into other cards and keep fueling our draw and discard. I also personally don't like running Planeswalkers, but Dack Fayden can be pretty good. Faithless Looting on a body and then also stealing an artifact seems pretty good. Other cards I was surprised to not see were Thrill of Possibility, Cathartic Reunion, Frantic Search, Careful Study, Tormenting Voice, Rhystic Study, Jeskai Ascendancy, Whirlwind of Thought.
I'm curious as to why Shark Typhoon is in the deck though. A 6 Mana make an X/X Shark doesn't seem overly impressive when we only have small cantrip like spells. I also personally don't like Runehorn Hellkite, cause its either a 6 mana 5/5 with flying, or something we need to discard to then pay mana to wheel. I feel like the deck has a nice top end, but it lacks a lot of early game. We are basically hoping to get one of our commanders out ASAP, but it seems like we are hoping to hit a lot of ramp early on to then get someone out and THEN do our draw/discard thing.
Other fun things or cards not mentioned is Sigil of Sleep. Putting this on one of the pingers (Brallin, Glint-Horn Buccaneer, one of the Niv's) lets us begin to bounce creatures to players hands whenever we deal damage. So we start discarding cards, we can start returning problem threats to the player's hands. Tireless Tribe is an instant speed, repeatable discard outlet. Sure it doesn't do anything other than that, but it could be the difference between killing a person or not. Basilisk Collar/Loxodon Warhammer/Shadowspear are alternative ways to use Brallin like ping effects for things other than Infect (if play groups don't like it for example). This also fits into the "voltron" style of the deck, allowing intense lifegain. Early game cards we can add are Jace, Vryn's Prodigy Flip/Magus of the Bazaar. These lets us repeatedly draw and discard, and Jace can flip to allow us to flash back cards. Wild Research is a cool way to help tutor up our wincons from our enchantments or if we need a counterspell or something while synergizing with Brallin pinger effects. We could also include some of the hatebear like cards from white to help slow down our opponents in the early game if it comes down to it.
All in all, I like the deck idea. I LIKE flexible decks that can switch gears when it needs to, and isn't solely linear ("I tutor this card and win). You can play casually and just try to voltron Shabraz, or enable combo kills with Brallin. Other than a handful of cards, I am REALLY interested in possibly building this deck!
4 months ago
Alright fair enough. I think it’s most of the way there already.
Personally, I don’t like Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind or The Locust God from my experience with The Mad King of Tristram. I prefer Runehorn Hellkite since most of my cards end up in the yard after a certain point. You’re not running Memory Jar, Wheel of Fortune, Chandra Ablaze, Incendiary Command (which I should see if I can squeeze back in) or Reforge the Soul though. These cards make your Liliana's Caress and Megrim way more impactful. There’s also that new shade that has the same ability on it too...Fell Specter.
5 months ago
I run a similar list but Jund. Gotta streamline that Primal Surge combo!
Temur Sabertooth 187 engine
Godo, Bandit Warlord for the small equipment package.
Combat Celebrant useful in my list but your angle of infect/double damage might be faster.
Chord of Calling could be Birthing Pod
Reclamation Sage should be Acidic Slime since you run Manglehorn already and hitting lands is crucial.
5 months ago
All could be good fun
6 months ago
There are some other "targets" for discard, but I don't think all of these are the best for you. I'll list each of them instead of loads of paragraphs.
Punishing Fire - Could be a replacement for Spit Flame but honestly that's up to you. Punishing Fire is technically more versatile since it hits any target and depending on the matchup it can be easier to retrieve. However, Spit Flame has an easier time removing creatures. This one more to just let you know exists.
Flamewake Phoenix - Again, a card that I'm mentioning just to let you know exists. Since most of your dragons have 4 or more power, you could easily get this card back from your graveyard but you would also deviate a bit from the draconic theme.
Ore-Scale Guardian - This one isn't a target himself, but he makes it more profitable for you to discard lands, specially if you end up being mana flooded.
Runehorn Hellkite - Can be used to refill your hand late game(?) and as he's no diffenrent from other dragons, there's no downside letting him rest in your grave until you active it's effect.
Fiery Temper - Basically adds 3 damage for one mana to all of your discard spells.
These are the monored option. I also have options that would actually require you to splash for black. These are, of course, not mandatory for you to run, but it's always good to get to know more cards.
Bladewing the Risen -A giant dragon that reanimates another one when it comes into play and also has the ability to pump all your dragons. Obviously he's not a target for discard himself. However, he can make other dragons more interesting to discard.
Boneyard Scourge - Pretty simple. Dump him into the graveyard and when one of your dragons die, you get him back for a really cheap cost.
Bone Dragon - A recurrable dragon that can be left in the grave until the late game when it can come back multiple times, assuming you have enough cards in the grave.
In case you consider any of these black cards or you just don't feel confortable not bein able to cast the Thralls, there are a few budget lands that can help you with the mana. Also, the Haven of the Spirit Dragon could help you cast the black dragons but not activate their abilities.
About the cuts for the Thralls, you are still above 60 cards. There are some other cuts you can also make.
Dragonspeaker Shaman - They're quite expensive and you already have a pretty decent amount of "ramp" and cost discounts. Even more, they're really easy to kill.
Slumbering Dragon - He seems quite tempting to play as he can grow a lot. However, that's the problem, he CAN grow but nothing guarantees he will. Also, only one in the deck won't help at all.
Sarkhan's Triumph - Since you now have more card draw, you could maybe cut one of these.
7 months ago
Some suggested additions for the time being, don't necessarily need them all:
- Get yourself to 36 Lands
Maybe add a mountain or two in place of the other basics, just to make sure you actually draw a red source and can cast Nekusar.
- Folio of Fancies
- Magus of the Wheel
- Dragon Mage
- Dark Deal
- Runehorn Hellkite
- Wheel of Fate
- Dimir Signet
- Izzet Signet
- Rakdos Signet
- Mind Stone (any kind of 2cmc mana rock is generally better, it's faster mana, gets your gameplan going quicker)
Wayfarer's Bauble (I have a spare I can give you)
- Drown in the Loch - you are wheeling so graveyards should full enough that you can reliably cast this
- Kess, Dissident Mage - she can recast you wheels and draw spells
- Psychosis Crawler - will be effective if you run more wheels instead of "target player draws x cards"