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Enchantment — Aura
Enchant land (Target a land as you play this. This card enters the battlefield attached to that land.)
Whenever enchanted land is tapped for mana, its controller adds (Green)(Green) to his or her mana pool.
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1 week ago
Consider Gift of Paradise, Overgrowth, and Verdant Haven over Market Festival. There is a distinct struggle in there first 3 turns to make sure you have green mana, ramp, and the pieces to your combo. Turns 4-5 are usually used to drop all the ramp on a land and turns 5-6 are used for the kill. Only needing to get to 3 mana instead of 4 to drop a ramp piece is a LOT more realistic. When playtesting, I would usually chain arcane spells with a Psychic Puppetry on an incomplete land in order to ramp into Market Festival.
1 week ago
@OpenFire_V2: I was using Voyaging Satyr at the beginning but found I had trouble blocking/protecting planeswalkers (and my life total). Voyaging Satyr is definitely better for going big and I wish I had more room.
Overgrowth isn't in because by the time I get to 3 mana, I can usually cast a planeswalker (Arbor Elf + 2x Forest -> Utopia Sprawl -> tap + untap the enchanted Forest for 4 mana, cast Kiora, Master of the Depths and so on). My other 3-drop slots are taken up by Kitchen Finks, again, so I can preserve my life total and protect planeswalkers.
1 week ago
1 week ago
Things missing from this deck:Nylea, God of the Hunt: Not actually missing, I just don't have the card in hand yet to add into the list. I'd likely replace the non-creature mana accelerant (Overgrowth) to fit her in.
Staff of Domination: Missing because it creates infinite combos with Karametra's Acolyte. This deck isn't meant to have infinite loops, though there may be some unintentional loops I don't know about yet, and this one is incredibly abusive. I play decks with those types of loops against groups that are prepared.
Things that could potentially be added:Paradox Engine: Another way to create the kind of loop that Staff of Domination and Karametra's Acolyte are, it also is incredibly powerful with the way the deck actually plays.
Verdeloth the Ancient: Combos well with Nissa, Voice of Zendikar and Rishkar, Peema Renegade as a light mana engine. Also works well with Cryptolith Rite and plays into a more token based version of the deck.
Thrun, the Last Troll: If this deck takes a turn towards more Voltron type play then this is your troll. Great to just hook stuff up on and smash face.
Cultivate and the like: Intentionally missing because most of our mana accelerants are creature based and we want to put Reki into play as fast as possible. Great if going the Baru/Avenger of Zendikar plan.
1 week ago
Defense of the Heart is one of my favourite green cards in Commander, particularly in a deck filled with large nasty creatures.
Cryptolith Rite works nicely with Kruphix, turning your blockers into mana ramp during your opponent's end step.
While it breaks the budget a bit, Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is worth putting on your radar. While it is a lot of mana to cast, he works well with Defense of the Heart, vastly increasing your ramp, while crippling your opponents', early in the game.
2 weeks ago
Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip does not work well with Eldrazi. You want lots of creatures with growing rites -- which is not something Eldrazi do well. Eldrazi go tall instead of wide. They play with big creatures, not lots of small ones -- which you would need to make growing rites work. If you want to play growing rites, you likely need to play Elves. There are a couple of variations of elves -- one of which you might like. It does not play Primal Surge, but it is capable of playing out its entire deck on turn 3 or 4. I can go into details if it piques your interest.
I would also contend again that if you want to play a bunch of Eldrazi with primal surge, you that you just are not playing a good deck. the Eldrazi do not enter with haste, and since the Eldrazi are technically not cast, you do not get their on-cast triggers. They are just put into play. The only way Eldrazi work with Primal Surge is also with Xenagos, God of Revels, to give them haste. In this case, you would likely only want to run a 1 or 2 of Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, and that is it for Eldrazi. And again, you would likely only want to then run 1 copy of Primal Surge and a bunch of tutors to ensure that you hit both of the combo pieces.
If you were to go with the Primal Surge strategy, you could run tron lands, but I would not suggest it. The reason being is that if you play tron lands, you also want to run Sylvan Scryings and Ancient Stirrings to help dig for those tron lands. if you run these, then they get in the way of your Primal Surge. Therefore, the best strategy is likely to run 4x Arbor Elf, 4x Utopia Sprawl, 3-4x Garruk Wildspeaker, 4x Voyaging Satyr, 3-4x Overgrowth, and 2-4 Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, with a total of about 22 lands. This is pretty similar to what you are already running. I would likely contest though that it is not that you are only drawing lands -- it is likely that you are just not drawing cards that let you do anything. This is because you have so many cards that cost so much mana. This is all fine and dandy if your opponent never does anything to try and stop you... but they will. Every time. Therefore, if you trim the deck of most of those high end cards, you have more room for cards that actually do things in the early to mid game.
This then brings me to my next question. How attached are you to Primal Surge? I ask because it really does not do anything better than other options. If you want to cast an Eldrazi? Just play Tron. If you want to combo with Edrazi? Just play Tooth and Nail. While it does not grab your entire library, the best use of grabbing your entire your library is usually finding your best cards -- which Tooth and Nail does. You could run surge in conjunction with Prismatic Omen, and Valakut, the Molten Pinnacle. But why not just run Scapeshift? Primal Surge also limits the cards you can run and you do not want to tun any other cards that are non-permanents. This really hampers your options for interacting with and controlling your opponent. There are just not many things that Primal Surge has going for it that other cards do not do better or cheaper.
Your wants just seem to be all over the place for this deck. Decks that suffer from an identity crisis do not function well. If they try to do too many things, they wind up doing none of those things well. You want Primal Surge, and control; but you cannot run most good control cards with Primal Surge as they disrupt surge's ability to dump so much value onto the table. you also want the deck to be aggressive, but all your threats are cost 7+ mana. You want to run growing rites with big huge eldrazi that cost a lot to put into play. But by the time you have enough creatures to make the growing rites flip, it will likely already be turn 6,7, or 8, and you can already hard cast the big creatures without the extra mana. From what I can tell, your best options to match as many of your criteria as possible would be:
Gx Devotion: green devotion ramps with the typical Arbor Elf, Utopia Sprawl packages. they also run the Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx with Voyaging Satyr, and Garruk Wildspeaker. Most lists will look to ramp into Tooth an Nail for Emrakul, the Aeons Torn and Xenagos, God of Revels and will be . However, you could certainly run a , , or list. These lists also have the neat combo of Eternal Witness and Primal Command -- which essentially locks your opponent out of their draw step for at least 4 turns while tossing creatures with double in their mana costs to ramp your devotion more so that you can cast those Tooth and Nails. If you include a Temur Sabertooth, you can lock your opponent out of their draw step indefinitely.
Tron: Most tron lists these days are . However, there is a long history of Tron being or even just . These lists look to assemble their tron lands as early as turn 3-4, and start churning out big threats such as Wurmcoil Engine, Karn Liberated, Walking Ballista, World Breaker, Ugin, the Spirit Dragon, and eventually those big Eldrazi titans you like. Mosts lists will run Oblivion Stone as their removal. But other control options depend on your colors. Blue will have counter spells like Remand, Condescend, and Spell Burst. Black will have Fatal Push, Inquisition of Kozilek, Thoughtseize and Collective Brutality. red will have Pyroclasm, Kozilek's Return, and Firespout. White will have Path to Exile, and Condemn. Most lists will run Ancient Stirrings, Sylvan Scrying, Chromatic Star, Chromatic Sphere, and Expedition Maps to help them tutor, dig, and fix their mana.
Elves: Lots of routes to go with elves. The one you might like involves Cloudstone Curio, Nettle Sentinel, Heritage Druid, and Elvish Visionary. Through these card interactions, you are able to generate lots of mana and draw lots of cards that will eventually end with you playing a huge Craterhoof Behemoth. This can happen as early as turn 3 or 4. Even without the Cloudstone Curio combo, elves can generate huge amounts of mana early and flood the board faster than just about any other deck. Ezuri, Renegade Leader then makes your eleves very hard to kill.
Primal Surge: The list would likely have to be , (Jund), or maybe even 4 color. would be your basic list, and would run primarily for Liliana Vess, and Rune-Scarred Demon, and or Sidisi, Undead Vizier to act as a tutor to pull up your Primal Surge. You could then run Emrakul, the Aeons Torn, Craterhoof Behemoth, or maybe Rampaging Baloths. Akroma's Memorial could be used to give your creatures haste off of the surge. Red would give you access to Xenagos, God of Revels.
And no on Mirror Gallery. A 5 drop that does not impact board state will always be a bad card. Compare it with Thragtusk. Thragtusk puts your opponent on a 4 turn clock, gains you 5 life, and leaves behind a 3/3 when it leaves the battlefield. All this, and Thraggy still does not see much play because there are even still better things to be doing with 5 mana.
2 weeks ago
If you're prepared to put a little bit of money into it, here are my suggestions that stick to your theme
-1 Heroes' Bane
Waker of the Wilds looks fun as heck.
I would remove the enchantments for 4 Harmonize. If you're dead set on running effects like Overgrowth, Arbor Elf is the kind of creature you want to be running. You don't need the Fog effects since you should be the one on the attack, but if you're running them for the hexproof, consider Blossoming Defense instead. I would go 4 Rampant Growth and 4 Search for Tomorrow in your sorceries.
Nissa, Nature's Artisan is respectable, but I'd suggest Nissa, Worldwaker or Garruk Relentless Flip instead. I wouldn't run your enchantment or flier hate in the mainboard, instead fill it with the planeswalkers above, or more creatures like Elvish Visionary.
One thing you really have to be aware of in Legacy is that the three most popular board wipes (to my knowledge) are; Terminus, Toxic Deluge, and Supreme Verdict. There's not a whole lot you can do against the first two, but have a couple Heroic Intervention in your sideboard could be important. I would also run a couple Life Goes On or Feed the Clan in the sideboard as well to go against more aggro opponents.
I'm not really a green player, but I hope this was a little helpful
3 weeks ago
Emzed I will add those encahntments back in. I see and understand exactly what you're saying. It makes more sense now why I should add some cards back in and take the others away. Do you think it would be a good idea to add the Abundant Growth, Overgrowth, and Utopia Sprawl back in so I can splash that white and blue? Or do you think I should keep them out and just go straight ahead? (I created a maybe board when I took them out and put them there because I thought they originally deserved to stay but I decided to try it without.) The soul reason I wanted to splash for white was for the ability to make everything indestructible and keep it that way if something wasn't already indestructible. Thinking about it, it does seem kind of 'over protective' of the creatures I would have out on the battlefield.