Creature — Zombie Beast
When Plague Belcher enters the battlefield, put two -1/-1 counters on target creature you control.
Whenever another Zombie you control dies, each opponent loses 1 life.
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Plague Belcher occurrence in decks from the last year
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Plague Belcher Discussion
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
This combo can use any sac outlet as it's needed to get Gravecrawler into my graveyard to free cast him with Rooftop. Gravecrawler infinite dying triggering Captain is a win condition. Phyrexian Altar is the nonbuget expensive sac outlet that goes infinite with Gravecrawler. It's not in this deck, but is a good upgrade if looking to make upgrades. It would allow you to cut Rooftop completely from the combo.
Ashnod makes infinite colorless mana when I sac a Zombie and I use one colorless each time to activate Havengul. I can activate Havengul and then cast a Zombie in any graveyard for free. Merchant is the best win condition with his combo because I can infinite cast him and trigger his ETB infinite times. With Diregraf Captain or Plague Belcher in my graveyard and only one other Zombie in any graveyard I can use Captain/Belcher as a win condition by infinite sacing and casting that one another Zombie.
Bontu's Monument can also be a win condition since I'm casting a Zombie each time with Havengul. Mire Triton can be the only Zombie in my graveyard since she can assemble the rest of the Zombies for this combo. I can keep sacing/casting her from my graveyard to self-mill myself to get Zombies for the combo into my graveyard and then cast them with Havengul.
Other than the two combos the other strategy is attacking with a Zombie horde with Lords and Wonder as support. Accumulate Zombies and Zombie tokens which allows Scarab to make opponents lose a lot of life and also scry a lot which helps to find combo pieces. Flying is very powerful with attacking Zombies and Scarab. The combos are using my graveyard thus I want to get Zombies into my graveyard especially Gravecrawler. Wonder also wants to be in my graveyard therefore it's a great fit.
1 month ago
I am a player who loves my graveyard ... I have more competitive decks: Meren lord of the undead - Gitrog The Bogeyland - Muldrotha Competitive/Stax and others more goodstuff with land-theme Taisigur Lands Matter - Muldrotha Land Power!
There's a card that the commander's guys don't give much value but is stupidly strong on a Meren deck: Skirsdag High Priest! Try matching with Apprentice Necromancer and you have two friends for life!
I don't see much use to Seedborn Muse and Underworld Dreams. Be very careful with The Gitrog Monster because you don't have a lans-reanimator like Crucible of Worlds or Ramunap Excavator ... having a Life from the Loam would be a good help ...
I hope I could have been useful! Continue this journey of digging up the dead! Muuuahahah!
1 month ago
There are 3 reasons why someone would consider including Havengul Lich in their 99: 1) They want to be able to use activated abilities from graveyards for 1 mana. This requires a dedicated decklist. 2) They want to be able to cast creatures from graveyards at instant speed (creatures with Flash, or with Vedalken Orrery/Leyline of Anticipation/etc). This also requires a dedicated decklist 3) They want to be able to cast creatures from their opponent's graveyards. This also requires a dedicated decklist. I don't think your deck wants to do any of those things or enough of those things, so it doesn't really make sense to include it.
multimedia is also absolutely correct that your deck wants fetchlands, assuming that money is no concern (which is reasonable, considering you have all of the original duals), as not only will these cards get your duals, they can also be replayed by Muldrotha, the Gravetide and will thin your deck. In fact, all of his suggestions for improving the manabase are correct: lands that can enter untapped are generally better than those that don't. That doesn't mean don't use untapped lands, only that you should only use a few and that you should pick them wisely (such as Bojuka Bog, or cycling lands such as Forgotten Cave).
Furthermore, consider using Animate Dead, Necromancy and Dance of the Dead. These are enchantments that recur creatures, which lets you get around the limitations on Muldrotha of only being able to recur 1 card of the each type. On top of that, if the creature dies, the enchantment goes to the graveyard, which can then be recurred once more. On top of that, each can recur cards from another player's graveyard, which is useful in a pinch.
Finally, since you are in green you really shouldn't use ramp spells that A) don't put permanents directly into play or B) cost more than 3 mana. Realms Uncharted violates the first, and Hour of Promise violates the second. On top that, your deck contains no Desert Lands (such as Desert of the Glorified or Ifnir Deadlands), so you will never get the second part of Hour of Promise, effectively making it a more expensive Explosive Vegetation that isn't limited to basic lands. As multimedia suggested, Crop Rotation and the more costly-but-powerful Harrow are good replacements as Muldrotha can replay the sacrificed land afterwards, which gets around the cost of sacrificing land. Furthermore, Sakura-Tribe Elder is a must-include in Muldrotha decks, as it can become a Rampant Growth on every turn.
multimedia is also correct about cutting the Curse enchantments and Amulet of Vigor. The Curses are situational and limited in power, and Amulet of Vigor does not have enough synergies in the deck to be worth the slot.
Finally, here's a non-exhaustive list of zombies which are (in my opinion) some of the best options in EDH for your colors and why
- Gravecrawler - combo piece in sacrifice combos
- Cryptbreaker - Manaless card draw
- Carrion Feeder / Nantuko Husk - free sacrifice outlet
- Stitcher's Supplier - efficient self-mill
- Lotleth Troll - free discard outlet
- Undead Augur / Plague Belcher - aristocrat win-condition
- Cemetery Reaper / Death Baron - Lord
- Diregraf Captain - Lord and aristocrat win-condition
- Fleshbag Marauder - Removal
- Midnight Reaper - Repeatable Card Draw
- Murderous Rider - Removal
- Prized Amalgam - combo piece in sacrifice combos
- Balthor the Defiled - Mass-reanimate
- Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord - win condition
- Undead Alchemist - mass token generator
- Corpse Connoisseur - Entomb on a body
- Custodi Lich - Monarch generator
- Phyrexian Delver - Gets around Muldrotha's limitation
- Mikaeus, the Unhallowed - board-wipe protection/combo-piece
- Noosegraf Mob - very fast token generator
2 months ago
Hey, looks like your going for a Zombie tribal theme.
Going to have to make some sacrifices of five drop Zombies and here's some advice. Sidisi, Undead Vizier, Gray Merchant of Asphodel and The Scarab God are the only three you need the rest could be cut. Muldrotha, Grave Titan, Rooftop Storm and Liliana, Dreadhorde General are the only six drops you need.
I have a Zombie tribal Muldrotha deck that I made last year, Zombie Grave Wave (Budget). My deck is budget, $200, but it could give you some ideas and you can replace the budget alternatives I'm using with more expensive price cards that you have. More advice to improve your deck is to include Gravecrawler infinite combos since it's a Zombie.
Gravecrawler + Phyrexian Altar + Diregraf Captain/Plague Belcher/Bontu's Monument/Blood Artist/Vengeful Dead is an infinite combo to make all your opponents lose life. Sac Gravecrawler with Altar, use the one black mana to cast Gravecrawler from your graveyard and repeat. Gravecrawler + Altar is infinite casts of Gravecrawler from your graveyard which can be used with other cards. Diregraf Colossus is infinite 2/2 Zombies. Undead Augur/Secrets of the Dead/Guardian Project can draw into a win condition. Kill all your opponents creatures with Grave Pact.
Cards to consider cutting:
- Evolving Wilds
- Cabal Stronghold: don't need this land since you have Coffers.
- Dimir Aqueduct
- Golgari Rot Farm
- Simic Growth Chamber
- Font of Fertility
- Curse of Disturbance
- Curse of Predation
- Curse of Death's Hold
- Curse of Misfortunes
- Cruel Reality
- Door of Destinies
- Springbloom Druid
- Vile Rebirth
- Casualties of War
- Geralf's Mindcrusher
- Vulturous Zombie
- Perpetual Timepiece
- Gilded Lotus
- Amulet of Vigor: not worth playing just to have Bounce lands ETB untapped.
- Soulless One
- Gravebreaker Lamia
- Havengul Lich
- Nyxbloom Ancient
- Grave Betrayal
- Deadbridge Chant
- Bow of Nylea
- Greater Good
- Sultai Ascendancy
- Eternal Skylord
- Underrealm Lich
- Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord
- God-Eternal Bontu
- God-Eternal Rhonas
- Fallen Shinobi
- Unbreathing Horde
- Black Market
- Corpse Harvester
To also make room for more lands and other card upgrades this is more than 13 card suggestions to consider cutting. Many of these suggestions are good cards, but are very much outclassed by other better cards in your deck already or you could add with such a high budget.
20x total lands is not enough for a functioning Commander deck. Want at least 30-36 lands depending on how high the avg. CMC of your deck is and how many additional mana sources you include. The current avg. CMC is 3.7 which is too high. What's making it this high is too many high CMC Zombies especially five drops.
I offer more advice if you would like. Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
I'm generally a combo player that doesn't like combat nor tribal decks, so this deck is fairly out of my comfort zone. This deck is a riff on one of my first ever deck that wasn't complete garbage. In that deck, I ran several lord effects in that deck, but I wanted to put a combo twist on this deck. That's were Rally came in. That's the original motivation for this deck (probably something I should put in the description).
I like your suggestions, Swilliam. If you wanted to take the deck a slightly different route, you totally could. I thought about adding Rotting Regisaur while brewing this deck, but I chose Plague Belcher instead for a couple of reasons. First, Belcher can come down and kill your Stitcher's Supplier (something that's not always easy to do). It can eat a zombie token for Diregraf Colossus, so you aren't missing out on too much tempo most times. It also has menace which makes it harder to block. If your opponent has any blockers, they will be put in front of the Belcher before anything else (except for maybe a Diregraf Colossus) most of the time. The same would go for the Regisaur. In that way, the Belcher is dealing more damage because it is stopping more blockers than the Regisaur. I also am not a fan of Foulmire Knight. This might just be preference, but I find myself casting Sign in Blood when I need to dig for land or another creature. Profane Insight costs three and only gets me one card, so it doesn't quite do what I need it to. I think cards like Dread Wanderer and even Relentless Dead do have very interesting synergies that could be worked in, but you'd have to switch the tone of the deck somewhat.
As for your suggestions, CheapnFast, you could easily add in some lord effects. In that case, you might want to cut a copy of Rally and maybe Plague Belcher. Like I said above, the Belcher largely just increases the amount of damage you can do. Lord effects would do the same. If that's how you wanted to go, I think there are only two lords you'd want to consider, Death Baron and Lord of the Accursed. The Baron would help you get in damage earlier by making blocks disadvantageous. You could then drain your opponent as a finisher. The Lord, on the other hand, would be used to finish your opponent with combat while you drain them in the early game. I don't think one is generally better than the other. It would largely depend on your meta and playstyle. The Baron does die to shock, though, and that's unfortunate.
Again, thank you for taking some time to give your suggestions. I'll be updating the description into more of a primer with these options as alternative routes for the build.
2 months ago
If you're going in on the Rally the Ancestors synergy, I'd suggest playing Rotting Regisaur over Plague Belcher. This way you don't have to slow down your tempo and still have the opportunity to recur the cards later. This could make for interesting synergies for something like Blood Scrivener or Dread Wanderer if you decide to go that way. There's also Death Baron that could fit here that you already mentioned. As for alternate ways to draw cards, Foulmire Knight is a zombie and half of a Sign in Blood on a stick. There are cool synergies in the deck though, so I give it a +1.
2 months ago
Given that all of your creatures already have menace, I feel that Iroas is sort of unnecessary here. His cmc is also high for an aggro deck, so additional 1 drops with menace could take his place. I feel overall this menace build wants to be very low to the ground, mostly 1 and 2 drops with some essential 3s like Sonorous Howlbonder at the top along with possibly cards like Hunted Nightmare. One drops aren't very strong unfortunately,Village Messenger Flip (gets menace after transformation) Dreadmalkin and Insolent Neonate come to mind as the best available you aren't already playing. However, at 2 Kari Zev, Skyship Raider and Relentless Dead are fairly good here. Even if relentless dead can only get itself back, that's still a decent 2 drop with some resilience to removal spells. Malkin is also a zombie, and Plague Belcher has some great synergy with relentless dead as well. You can put the counters on relentless dead and pay the B to get it back. Its pretty greedy, and the Hunted Nightmare is probably just better, but they both have downsides in their own ways. Unfortunately the good menace creatures seem to clog up the 3 spot. Rampaging Ferocidon, Sin Prodder, Grimdancer and Pestilent Spirit all fall at 3 and you cant play all of them along with Howlbonder and Hunted nightmare.