At the beginning of each player's draw step, if Howling Mine is untapped, that player draws an additional card.
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Howling Mine Discussion
1 week ago
Peoni Thank you for the suggestions.
What are your opinions on Niv-Mizzet, Parun vs Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind or both?
With Jace, Wielder of Mysteries and Thassa's Oracle is it realistic to try and win this way? I guess 100 cards seems like a lot to me compared to 60?
For Kederekt Parasite My only red permanents are Kess, Dissident Mage and Nekusar, the Mindrazer and Magus of the Wheel but I'm not sure if that really counts.
For 2 cmc rocks am I better off playing those rocks during turns 2 and 3 or playing other cards since most of my non-land cards are 2-3 CMC. Or if I should put bigger mana rocks in like Gilded Lotus to help my mana base later.
My thought with the transmute cards was that a lot of my cards are in the 2 or 3 CMC range. I can definitely see removing Dizzy Spell and Brainspoil since I also have other ways to tutor.
My thought with Diabolic Edict was that it gave me an extra option for sticking on Isochron Scepter. Maybe there are some better Isochron Scepter options here?
With Cowardice I was thinking that it could help protect my creatures and keep the cost of recasting Nekusar, the Mindrazer under control. Also with Minamo, School at Water's Edge, Shizo, Death's Storehouse, and Shinka, the Bloodsoaked Keep I can bounce opponent commanders. Also it would prevent opponents from using Lightning Greaves / Swiftfoot Boots or creature decks pumping up their creatures.
With the bounce sub theme my thought was that it put more cards in hands to be discarded and to hit with wheel effects and the it can also handle indestructible permanents (I'm not too sure how important that is in EDH) also with Warped Devotion it adds some extra discard.
I am definitely leaning into playing less creatures so that I can play board wipes more freely.
Thank you for the suggestions.
I hadn't thought about how the Day's Undoing end of turn effect prevents all the triggers.
For The Rack would you also recommend removing Quest for the Nihil Stone since it also operates on opponents having no/low cars in their hand? Although it hits all opponents and does more damage.
With Consecrated Sphinx and The Locust God it would be the highest CMC card in the deck except for Curse of Fool's Wisdom. Although I still don't have a good feel for EDH so I'm not too sure if 6 CMC would be too high?
Font of Mythos
Winds of Change
1 week ago
Cut Day's Undoing - due to its "end the turn" effect, you will not get any damage triggers from Nekusar.
Font of Mythos and Howling Mine are traps and should be cut. The incremental damage done by this additional draw generally will not make a difference in games (while their getting extra cards very well could), and these cards under-perform if you are not able to keep Nekusar on the field. Focus instead on running wheel effects for massive bursts of card draw.
The Rack does not really work well here (or in EDH generally)--the damage is small, might not happen due to the card draw you provide opponents, and only hits one opponent.
The Locust God is fairly strong with wheel effects, giving you an army of blockers or evasive, hasty attackers.
Consecrated Sphinx is exceptional with all the draw you give your opponents.
Cards like Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots are good for protecting your commander, which is particularly important when your entire deck is designed around keeping your commander's effect on the field.
1 week ago
thanks Peoni for the input. I have to say that i like these reccomendations. Wheel of Fate is something I have to pick up. I'm going to say no to the ping effects or Teferi's Puzzle Box since they don't contribute to milling. You bring up a great point about rip and cage. I know I have a Grafdigger's Cage but I might be using it in another deck for now. I'll see if I can find any similar effects like those to help out, I should at least have a Tormod's Crypt lying around somewhere. I forgot about Kami!! I'll definetly look into Howling Mine too.
1 week ago
You should cut Day's Undoing--because it ends the turn, Nekusar's damage triggers will not occur.
I would also recommend cutting Dictate of Kruphix, Font of Mythos, Howling Mine, Seizan, Perverter of Truth, and Kami of the Crescent Moon. These incidental, small draw effects are more likely to help your opponents by giving them the answers they need than they are to win you the game given how little "damage" they deal (with most of them providing no damage without outside support).
Forced Fruition is particularly bad--in my experience, Forced Fruition generally means an opponent casts a spell, draws 7 cards, finds their removal/board wipe, casts removal/board wipe, draws another 7 cards and then happily combos off with Forced Fruition no longer being in the picture. Basically this reads "Any player may pay 14 life; if they do, they find all their combo pieces and win the game."
Underworld Breach allows you to get double use out of your wheel effects.
Spiteful Visions damages you, but, since you'll be dealing extra damage just to opponents from your other cards, your opponents will still be drained a bit faster than you will.
Hope some of this helps!
2 weeks ago
Some cards that you might like: Brallin, Skyshark Rider Flip, Shabraz, the Skyshark, Rielle, the Everwise, The Locust God, Psychosis Crawler, Burning Inquiry, Molten Psyche, Narset, Parter of Veils, Alms Collector, a Niv-Mizzet of your choice perhaps, Fevered Visions, Magus of the Jar, Wheel of Fate, Teferi's Puzzle Box, Winds of Change and I'll stop myself there lol.
Something you could do that might be cool would be to run a lot of cards like Dictate of Kruphix, Kami of the Crescent Moon, and Howling Mine to boost everybody's draw (might make them consider not killing you lol). That would rip the rug out from under everybody and make your wheels that much more impactful. Make them discard 12 cards instead of 6 or 7! Plus you're getting them closer to drawing on an empty deck.
As far as card draw goes, my favorites are targeted X spells like Blue Sun's Zenith and Stroke of Genius as they could always be upgraded to kill tools with an infinite source of mana i.e. Dramatic Reversal + Isochron Scepter and I just like them a lot. If you decided to pursue group draw you could also experiment with stuff like Prosperity, Minds Aglow, and Fascination (you said you like options right?). Along with this I would add to your ability to win off of self mill with Thassa's Oracle and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries so that Lab Man has some friends.
I know you're running some recursion yourself but this deck has the potential to seriously fuel opposing decks with heavy graveyard interaction as their motif, for obvious reasons lol. Since you have have access to white you could always try Rest in Peace for the complete shutdown, and then maybe a Grafdigger's Cage just as another piece of graveyard hate. Alternatively, you might prefer cards with one time effects like Relic of Progenitus and Scavenger Grounds.. or you could mix and match! Up to you.
FINALLY, (yes I know, we're finally at the end) I would honestly just replace many of the dual lands you have that come in tapped with basics. I just personally don't enjoy having my lands come in tapped while everyone else gets ahead, and I really feel like basics are actually better than tapped lands even if they don't have the versatility or effects. Of course shocks and duals and fetches would always be nice, but we're trying to stay in budget so I'd just stick to the basics.
I know it's long but I just really enjoy researching cards and learning about different strats so I usually get carried away. I tried to stick with recommendations that stay under $10 but a few over the limit might've slipped through. I like your deck, hope this helped! :^)
3 weeks ago
4 weeks ago
I do not like Howling Mine type effects in Nekusar. Nekusar wins through wheeling and other massive draw effects for huge amounts of burn (or infect if you want to make the deck more lethal). The additional 1 or so damage Howling Mine, Kami of the Crescent Moon, Dictate of Kruphix, Font of Mythos, etc. cause is generally insignificant in terms of securing your own victory. What they mostly do is make it easier for your opponents to draw into the cards they need to stop your strategy before you kill them off.
The worst offender of the lot is Forced Fruition. While this seems like a massive burn spell, unless you are running infect, it usually reads "Deal 14 damage to your opponent. They draw 7 cards, find their removal to kill Nekusar, then draw 7 more cards to ensure their victory."
Instead, here are some options:
More instant-speed removal and some counterspells would probably help.
4 weeks ago
+1 for the Les Mis reference.
I would recommend cutting Howling Mine, Dictate of Kruphix, Master of the Feast, Forced Fruition, and Temple Bell. They all seem like they are good cards, but, in reality, they are traps. Nekusar's biggest problem is he fills your opponents' hands with the cards they need to stop you--these cards generally give your opponents more resources without significantly advancing your gameplan. The extra damage per turn if you have Nekusar or damage-dealers on the field is generally irrelevant, and they are outright liabilities if you do not have Nekusar fielded.
Instead consider running some of the following:
Curiosity is strong when enchanting Nekusar, and creates a draw/damage loop if you enchant Niv-Mizzet.
Helm of the Ghastlord likewise loops with Niv-Mizzet. When enchanting Nekusar and a wheel, it locks your opponents out of casting anything other than instant-speed spells.
A few more instant-speed kill spells would also be a good idea.