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Creature — Zombie Horror
Skulk (This creature can't be blocked by creatures with greater power.)
At the beginning of your upkeep, you may discard all the cards in your hand. If you do, draw that many cards.
4 months ago
7 months ago
rambunctiousOrator, The Great Henge and Archon of Cruelty make more sense to me now. When I currently play this deck in its current state I tend to not play many cards from my hand. So the Flash cards you recommend wouldn't work to well. And like you said I don't have the best reanimation targets yet for The Scarab God to work. Maybe with the additions of The Great Henge and Mulldrifter that would allow me to play cards from my hand more. Because as of now the current way I have played this deck is ramp into mill, until I get my win con. Usually using Mirror-Mad Phantasm or Forgotten Creation to do so. I do have some synergy for landfall stuff with Tatyova, Benthic Druid and World Shaper so Avenger of Zendikar could be a fun addition in combination with those two. But I feel like to pull some of this stuff off, I would need a lot of mana.
8 months ago
Thanks for commenting, Lord_of_Cardboard!
This deck would do exceptionally well against a Kroxa, Titan of Death's Hunger deck. This is for the same reason that cards like Jace's Archivist do so well in the deck: if you have have Muldrotha on the battlefield, any cards you discard might as well still be in your hand cause you can simply replay them from your graveyard. If anything, an opposing Kroxa player is almost helping you by disrupting your other opponents' hands.
As for a budget version of the deck, here's some advice on budget options and replacements. Just note that this is advice specific to my Muldrotha deck, i.e., advice for the big mana and big X-spell strategy. If you'd rather play a more typical creature-based, swing-to-kill type deck, there may be better Muldrotha lists to look at.
The mana base makes up a large portion of the deck's budget, and I would leave that mostly up to your own discretion. Just keep in mind that fetch lands like Evolving Wilds and slow fetches like Bad River are good for being replayed every turn with Muldrotha. Also, for a budget version of the deck, it's important to run more basics than I do since you'll probably need to fetch more with your ramp. Cycle lands like Lonely Sandbar, Tranquil Thicket, and Barren Moor are fantastic, especially with Life from the Loam. Some other good options:
Which brings me to another point: if I had to pick one somewhat expensive card that's worth putting in a budget Muldrotha deck, it's this one. It's a one-card value engine, giving you card draw, mill, and lands. And depending on what utility lands you choose to run, it can do a whole lot more. And if you're worried about Kroxa in your meta, Life from the Loam is a great counter to it, allowing you to fill your hand with lands to discard.
Now to address key cards for the deck's "big mana" strategy. Important cards for generating a lot of mana include Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth, Cabal Coffers, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove, Crypt Ghast, and Nyxbloom Ancient. You could just replace these cards with normal ramp; casting X-spells for X=10 is still good and easy to accomplish without these cards. If that's unsatisfying for you, you could consider options like Zendikar Resurgent and Mana Reflection. Unfortunately there aren't many great cheap options for producing a lot of mana. This is an important part of the deck though, so it's up to you if it's worth spending some extra money on it.
To avoid this comment being any more lengthy than it already is, here's an extensive list of some budget alternatives for the deck. The great thing about Muldrotha is that being able to replay removal makes a lot of sub-par removal actually pretty good, so it's pretty budget friendly.
Win-Conditions: What's in the deck isn't too expensive, but here's some cheaper options.
- Mass Manipulation
- Gelatinous Genesis
- Mind Grind
- Hydra Broodmaster
- Other hydras (there's lots of them)
- Plaguecrafter / Demon's Disciple
- Seal of Doom / Shriekmaw / Executioner's Capsule
- Night Incarnate
- Outland Liberator Flip
- Thrashing Brontodon
- Kenrith's Transformation / Frogify / Kasmina's Transmutation
- Vraska the Unseen / Ob Nixilis Reignited
- Sidisi's Faithful
Draw / Mill:
- Vessel of Nascency
- Satyr Wayfinder
- Tatyova, Benthic Druid
- Mirror-Mad Phantasm
- Dreamborn Muse
- River Kelpie
- Witching Well
- Courier's Capsule
- Omen of the Sea
- Fact or Fiction
- Forgotten Creation
- Kiora, Master of the Depths
- Springbloom Druid
- Burnished Hart
- Dawntreader Elk
- Diligent Farmhand
- Kodama's Reach
- Wayfarer's Bauble
- Font of Fertility
- Omen of the Hunt
- Yavimaya Elder
- Kiora, the Crashing Wave
Control and other good stuff:
- Zur's Weirding
- Siren Stormtamer
- Drown in the Loch
- Elephant Grass
- Scribe of the Mindful
- Malakir Rebirth Flip
- Raven's Crime
- Malevolent Hermit Flip
- Energy Flux
- Other counterspells
If you have any other questions about budget options, let me know. I'm always happy to help!
9 months ago
Late to the party - The Thing is my all time favorite, and I've wanted to make a deck for a bit. I have no commander experience other than watching it, so I'm designing a casual 60 for it. However, I want to share things I've thought of.
For on theme (and obscure) ramp, I'm looking at Retraced Image and Mitotic Manipulation - both with art somewhat evocative of The Thing. I am mono-blue currently though, so they might be a stretch for a three color deck.
Otherwise, I'm a big fan of Forgotten Creation and Nemesis of Reason for their looks, as well as Wharf Infiltrator for the tentacles, being a Human and Horror, and popping out more baby things. Also, no Smuggler's Copter?
Overall I love it though and I'll definitely be using it for ideas for my kitchen table deck!
1 year ago
1 year ago
1 year ago
This deck is really well built good job
You have several small fry that is good early in the game (ie. Simian spirt guide, Spellseeker , Trinket Mage ) but later in the game might not be so good. Have you considered adding Mystic Reflection so later in the game you can have several Consecrated Sphinx and Jace's Archivist . That would be great because your tokens would also enter as copies of those creatures
BTW thanks for the upvote
1 year ago
Thank you for the suggestions kpres!
I'll go ahead and say that a few of the cards you suggested are cards I've already been considering. Many of the other cards are cards that I don't include for meta reasons. I'll try to explain my thoughts on these cards in the order you suggested them.
Also, as a quick disclaimer, I should explain something a little counter-intuitive about the deck. In my deliberations of the cards you suggested, I often bring up tempo issues with mana costs being too high. Although this deck's goal is to make very large amounts of mana for X spells, I am attempting to do so in a relatively fast-paced meta. Intuitively, high costed cards shouldn't be an issue if I plan to make lots of mana. However, I can only afford to spend large amounts of mana once I've reached a critical mass of ramp. Once I reach that critical mass, the deck wants to win as soon as possible via X spells. Due to that fact, the deck is pretty polarized with how much mana I spend on any one card. For the most part, I don't like investing any more than four mana for a card before hitting that critical mass (the biggest exception being Muldrotha if I can afford it) and, of those cards, they should be immediately impactful or help to reach that critical mass. Once I reach the critical mass, then the new plan becomes dumping 10+ mana into powerful game winning cards.
Kodama of the East Tree - This card is definitely powerful and I highly suggest it for more casual metas! Unfortunately for my meta, it's a little too slow. As you said, it could replace something for putting down extra lands. What options I have now though are either low cost (and can therefore be acknowledged as early game ramp), or serves a second purpose such as card draw. I think this card shines more in creature-based strategies, where cheating things in directly pressures your opponents rather than bides for time. For this deck however, where many of my removal options are low-costed anyway, the six mana investment for Kodama doesn't pay off nearly as fast as I would like.
Second Chance - My original list had Second Chance with Necropotence to bring me down to 5 life. While this is certainly effective, personally I found that it wasn't a fun way to win (for me or my opponents). Not much of a criticism, I know. If I had to criticize it though, its main downside is that it's a completely dead card until it wins. It can even be a liability against less experienced opponents who might rush to kill you out of panic. It's certainly still a good win condition; it's not in my deck out of personal preference.
Glacial Chasm - I've been considering this card for a long while now as a replacement for Spore Frog. It covers the frog's two weaknesses: not being able to fog multiple opponents and not preventing noncombat damage. The reason I haven't included it thus far is because contrary to frog, Glacial Chasm is not a neutral deterrent. Whether you pay the cumulative upkeep or replay it by saccing a land, you are paying a price. For my particular meta, combat is mostly meant for small amounts of chip damage rather than large attacks. For that reason, frog simply sitting on the board is enough to stop that incoming damage; there's not much reason to replay it. The only exception to that is a dastardly Kaalia of the Vast deck I play against, but frog is a good enough answer for that deck. It's a bit of a tossup for this list whether it's worth running, but in other metas it might be a good idea to run both.
Tormod, the Desecrator - If you're playing a creature-based deck or if you want a more drawn-out win con this card is pretty decent. However in this deck, it doesn't quite fit the theme. With a lack of sac outlets, the card doesn't synergize with most of the deck either.
Insidious Dreams - You're absolutely right about the synergy with Windfall, it's very powerful in most metas. My one gripe with the card, and the reason why I can't run it in my meta, is discarding is part of the cost. Unfortunately, there is way too much counter magic for me to play this reliably. Paying four mana to One with Nothing myself would be too common an occurrence.
Forgotten Creation - A good alternative to Jace's Archivist. I can't really justify running both though, I don't find myself needing wheels all that often. The reason I run Archivist instead of this is flexibility. Archivist can be used anytime rather than just at your upkeep, it can interrupt your opponents' hands at instant speed, and it shuts down your opponents when combined with Narset, Parter of Veils or Notion Thief. Otherwise, Forgotten Creation is a great card and is perfectly viable for Muldrotha.
Skull Prophet - I can't say I'm a fan of ramp spells that require decent fixing to cast. Simply because of that, I feel all the ramp I'm currently running is good enough to make up for the mill. I will admit though that at the time of this comment I have Coiling Oracle in the deck, which is somewhat hypocritical. I hope to revise the deck soon though, and I plan to take Oracle out.
Night Incarnate - Another card I've been on the fence about for a while. As I've mentioned, there isn't necessarily a whole lot of combat in my meta, and of the decks that do use combat, none of them use a "go wide" strategy. The impact of Night Incarnate then is not as big as I usually would like. That being said, there are still a number of value engines and mana dorks that this card does remove. I can certainly imagine adding the card to the deck in the future if I start encountering more small creatures in my meta.
Tunnel Vision - Tunnel Vision is certainly a fun card, but it's a little too slow for my taste. This is especially clear when you compare it to Hermit Druid. Hermit Druid can be used repeatedly, can mill my whole library so long as I fetch all my basics, and can be immediately useful even if I don't have Muldrotha (since the basic land goes to my hand rather than the top of my library). Hermit Druid also costs 2 mana and can be replayed with Muldrotha if need be. In more casual metas, Tunnel Vision can be used more effectively, but I would still recommend Hermit Druid over it if you're not including both.
Sewer Nemesis - I don't like this card for a few reasons. For four mana, I think the card is overcosted. The mill effect is not very substantial, requiring you to cast several spells to make good use of it (and if you have the ability to cast that many spells, you're probably in a really good place anyway). Probably the biggest problem I have with it is that it doesn't have any form of evasion, so opponents can easily chump block it. Also, in a meta with plenty of graveyard hate, this creature can be removed from the board very efficiently. For your own deck, I would actually recommend Splinterfright as a replacement. It only gets bigger from creature cards, but I think the addition of trample more than makes up for it.
Raven's Crime - Now here's a card I haven't actually considered before. Looking at it now though, I really like it. The only potential downside is that my meta (especially with that Kaalia player I mentioned before), has a habit of running lots of recursion effects like Reanimate and Animate Dead that greatly benefit from being able to discard large creatures from hand. In spite of that, Raven's Crime is low costed, has great synergy with the rest of the deck, and can disrupt opponents effectively. I'll have to pick myself up a copy and playtest it. It's not really a clear upgrade to any one card in the deck, so I'd have to think about what to take out for it.
Magus of the Will - I like Magus, but not for the reason you specified. I feel like I have enough recursion effects for my X spells as is. What I like about Magus though, is that it provides an earlier, cheaper alternative to Muldrotha for a turn. It's not uncommon that I have to go a while without casting Muldrotha because I can't afford to dump 6 mana into her. The reason I haven't included it thus far is because of the exile clause for cards entering your graveyard that turn, and that it is still rather expensive to use this card. It's still a 6 mana investment, just split across two different turns. As it stands, it's a good tech card, but in practice it's a bit of an awkward card to set up. Spending 3 mana with no immediate effect is usually bad, but if you don't do that, you can't use the card immediately for an emergency. For that reason I haven't included it, but I would still recommend it for other Muldrotha players.