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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
|Pauper Duel Commander||Legal|
Creature — Human Artificer
When Thopter Engineer enters the battlefield, create a 1/1 colorless Thopter artifact creature token with flying.
Artifact creatures you control have haste. (They can attack and as soon as they come under your control.)
1 year ago
Hey, nice budget upgrade so far of the precons.
It looks like you've mixed the Osgir precon with the Breya precon which is interesting. Osgir kind of has some negative synergy with Breya or Silas as Commander because Osgir's best ability is to exile an artifact from your graveyard. With Breya and Silas you want to take advantage of being able to reanimate/recur artifacts meaning you don't want to exile them from your graveyard. Akiri has nice interaction with Osgir because he makes token copies of artifacts that make Akiri bigger. In saying this if you want to better utilize Osgir then play Akiri/Silas as Commanders.
Osgir's exile ability is powerful, but it doesn't go with Breya therefore in my opinion Osgir is out of place. I play budget Breya and not Akiri/Silas thus I may have some bias, but these Commanders seem very different in gameplay. With Akiri/Silas attacking seems important, using Commander damage as a source of winning and value. Breya is less about attacking with her and more about using her ability sacing artifacts for modes for value to control the game. Breya's best strength as Commander is being a win condition combo piece with the two Thopters she creates.
With Breya as Commander I would play Silas in the 99 because he's an artifact, but not Akiri. With Akiri/Silas I would play Breya in the 99 because she's an artifact who's three artifacts for four mana. Akiri/Silas want evasion to be able to do as much combat Commander damage therefore I would include more budget artifacts to give them evasion:
You don't really want these with Breya instead budget combo pieces:
All these Commander choices are better with less creatures and more artifacts. Lots of creatures is not what you want unless they're artifact creatures because all these Commanders abilities are only good with artifacts. 40 creatures is a lot of creatures for any Commander deck that's not tribal like Elves. Consider cutting creatures for more artifacts?
There are some exceptions here for nonartifact creatures:
- Hellkite Tyrant : can be a win condition.
- Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain : powerful repeatable draw with more artifacts.
- Chief Engineer : with more artifacts ramp for artifacts.
- Digsite Engineer : repeatable source of creating artifacts.
- Emry, Lurker of the Loch : repeatable cast artifacts from your graveyard.
- Padeem, Consul of Innovation : protect artifacts and can be repeatable draw.
Whirler Rogue seems very good with Akiri/Silas to make either or both unblockable, but is subpar with Breya. You could cut all the others that I didn't name for artifacts or other cards.
Some cards to consider cutting to get to 99:
- Jor Kadeen, the Prevailer
- Hellkite Igniter
- Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge
- Losheel, Clockwork Scholar
- Sydri, Galvanic Genius
- Thopter Engineer
- Alibou, Ancient Witness
- Sun Titan
- Osgir, the Reconstructor if Breya is Commander.
- Akiri, Line-Slinger if Breya is Commander.
- Whirler Rogue if Breya is Commander.
I offer more advice. Would you like more advice? Good luck with deck.
1 year ago
darkin10s Excellent question. You're correct in the sense that Warp World is kind of a board wipe but let me paint a picture of the board state (not just my board). Warp World has us "shuffle all permanents he or she owns into his or her library", meaning it sees all those tokens as permanents even though they technically stop existing once they leave the battlefield. Then we reveal from the top of our Library, and in summary, put all permanents revealed onto the battlefield (not including Planeswalkers, hence the "in summary").
Warp World itself isn't putting tokens onto the battlefield but many of the permanents it would hit produce tokens for the extra value (all the creatures that make extra thopters when they enter). This is why cards like Dockside Extortionist , Brass's Bounty , Smothering Tithe , or Revel in Riches are so good before a Warp World cast, because we get extra card flips and potential permanents on the field for only a single card slot in the deck.
Warp World is more of a "hurts everyone, but hurts me the least" type of strategy that we are going for. We're working under the assumption that we have the most tokens onto the battlefield than the rest of the players, otherwise it's not worth casting. The value that we get is that we are making so many tokens because many of our cards put out either an extra treasure token or maybe a couple thopters.
Here is a very basic example that will help paint the picture with some simple math (this exact situation is not a likely scenario for a game but I think it gets across the idea). Lets assume everyone has played the same number of cards by turn seven and they have either tricked out a land or maybe played a mana rock, and maybe everyone has 2 creature and one enchantment. So everyone has 7 lands, 1 rock or extra land, 2 creatures, 1 enchantment = 11 permanents. But the 2 creatures I played are maybe Whirler Rogue and Thopter Engineer so I actually have 14 permanents since I've got 3 extra creature tokens. Now what if the enchantment I played was Smothering Tithe and it went a whole round on the table and wasn't paid for, meaning (in this fake scenario) I have 3 extra treasures. Now my permanent count is at 17 compared to everyone else's 11 count when I cast Warp World; I get to flip 17 cards from the top of my deck and everyone else gets to flip 11. This still wipes all players battlefields, but I'm counting on hitting more permanents when I flip with my extra chances. Plus if one of the cards I flip is a Experimental Aviator or maybe Myr Battlesphere , that single permanent I now gave me extra permanents for my board state, so I am recovering much more quickly from this type of wipe than my opponents.
This is obviously not a hyper optimized strategy because it's highly reliant on board state, it may not even be beneficial for you at times, but it's fun when it does happen.
1 year ago
Minds Aglow would be my choice
doesn't meet the one card requirement but Eldrazi Displacer + any etb would get the job done
Some Examples: Goblin Chainwhirler,Ayara, First of Locthwain,Thopter Engineer,Thought-Knot Seer,Gilded Drake
1 year ago
You might like these: Haazda Marshal, Skyknight Vanguard, Hanweir Garrison, Thopter Engineer, Blade Splicer, Ghirapur Gearcrafter, Pia Nalaar, Seasoned Pyromancer, Silverwing Squadron, Kjeldoran Home Guard, Gold Myr, Iron Myr, Plague Myr, Hedron Crawler, Manakin, Tempt with Vengeance
2 years ago
Pretty much the same general advice as above. There is some good material in the deck, but I also guess you should find the path you want to follow to secure the win. Going wide with tokens (especially if evasive like flying thopters) is definitely an option, but in this case I would suggest to have some ways to give them haste: you don't want to build your board and then being hit like a board-wipe before doing any damage (which it seems it is what was happening). Thopter Engineer and Bruciclad are good, but as creatures they can easily die to removal, so something like Fervor or Hammer of Purphoros (which also synergize as an artifact) could work.
Everything written by the fellow above regarding answers and card-draw, something at which blue excels and red is not bad, I can do nothing but quote.
2 years ago
Hey, nice start for a budget version.
Consider more one to four drop creatures who can be cast before Jor and who can create an artifact when they ETB? You want creatures on the battlefield before you play Jor to take advantage of attacking with the pump, but you also need three artifacts to get that pump. Creatures with double strike are good if metalcraft is active, but without it they're lackluster. Boros Keyrune is the right idea since it's an artifact first and then it can turn into a creature with double strike.
Pia/Kiran is very good budget creature to curve into Jor since it puts three creatures on the battlefield including two artifacts meaning you only need one other artifact to activate metalcraft. The other two artifact lands: Ancient Den and Great Furnace help a lot when trying to activate metalcraft. Mishra's Factory can turn into an artifact creature for one mana.
Smuggler's Copter is a powerful two drop flying Vehicle. It can be a repeatable source of draw and it's an artifact that turns into a artifact creature by crew 1 (tapping any other creature you control). Hammer of Purphoros gives Jor as well as all your other creatures haste and it can be a repeatable source of an artifact and a creature.
Goblin Welder is great with artifacts as repeatable reanimation since you can sac an artifact you control to reanimate any artifact in your graveyard. It's good with Myr Battlesphere as a way to reanimate it, sac it, have artifact fodder to keep reanimating it.
The manabase can use some budget improvements of dual lands.
- Command Tower
- Battlefield Forge
- Boros Garrison
- Opal Palace
- Temple of Triumph
- Ash Barrens
- Evolving Wilds
Good luck with your deck.
2 years ago
Think you had mentioned that you already have Cascade Bluffs on the way, and Spire of Industry was a possibility we talked about, and you might want to consider Castle Vantress . I think now is about the time that you'll want to start honing in on what you want the deck to have a focus on; given the push for eldrazi and X spells, I think you could drop Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer and Thopter Engineer . I'd personally cut Reverse Engineer , Saheeli's Artistry , and Masterful Replication and start looking into more payoffs for Saheeli's +1. You may want to consider one or two of the following for casting on other people's turns to avoid as much trouble on your own turn: Shimmer Myr , Vedalken Orrery , and/or Leyline of Anticipation ; these will also play well into Unwinding Clock . I think Palladium Myr is droppable given if it doesn't have haste it's functionally a Worn Powerstone , and Pristine Talisman , Prismatic Lens , and Izzet Locket can be pretty underwhelming. Blue Sun's Zenith and Expansion / Explosion are draw spells that use Saheeli's ability as a payoff, and BSZ will shuffle back in. If you want more draw, Slate of Ancestry is good if you find yourself with a lot of creatures, Tower of Fortunes if you end up with a lot of extra mana to spend, and Loreseeker's Stone if you find yourself empty-handed most of the time.
3 years ago
I probably already know the answers but just want to be sure.
1.) If a creature is already on the field and is changed into another, for example, a myr token being changed by Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer to a copy of Thopter Engineer due to Splinter Twin or Flameshadow Conjuring , would the effect go off making new thopters?
I do have this feeling that none of the effects will go off since they were already on the field but the only thing that happened is a new appearance