The Ur-Dragon

Legality

Format Legality
Tiny Leaders Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Vintage Legal
Custom Legal
Leviathan Legal
Legacy Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Commander 2017 (C17) Mythic Rare

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The Ur-Dragon

Legendary Creature — Dragon Avatar

Eminence - As long as The Ur-Dragon is in the command zone or on the battlefield, other Dragon spells you cast cost 1 less to cast.

Flying

Whenever one or more Dragons you control attack, draw that many cards, then you may put a permanent card from your hand onto the battlefield.

The Ur-Dragon Discussion

BMHKain on I thought about it. I'll ...

2 weeks ago

(CAUTION: A Huge List of CMDRS dead ahead. If you can't comply, remember that I apologized for the huge wall.)

Well, I was just told how to do a Folder, but to choose what for decks is another thing entirely. Especially if such decks are either:

A: What Everyone Plays B: Are good, but have since been outdated by a year C: Are Tribal Leaders in a Specific Sense (No Morophon, the Boundless please.) D: Not Underdog CMDRs. E: Other.

Let's Just assume we use that cEDH Deck Tier List One-by-One; but w/ a new rule for Playtesting such decks so none of the cEDH Decks win out of overall ratios ~100% of the time; CHANNELFIREBALL-style. That said, From using the Tier List, I require the following CMDR Decks to not have cEDH Level Power, but are these:

Tier 0:

Thrasios, Triton Hero & Tymna the Weaver Partners

Tier 1:

Kess, Dissident Mage

Kraum, Ludevic's Opus

Najeela, the Blade-Blossom

The First Sliver (Not as a Sliver Tribe Leader)

The Gitrog Monster

Urza, Lord High Artificer

Vial Smasher the Fierce

Yisan, the Wanderer Bard

Zur the Enchanter

(NOTE: Unknown if Kraum, Ludevic's Opus & Vial Smasher the Fierce need to be Parters to be of this level.)

Tier 2:

Animar, Soul of Elements (Morph Decks not allowed.)

Baral, Chief of Compliance (Get your Counterspells Ready!)

Brago, King Eternal

Breya, Etherium Shaper

Circu, Dimir Lobotomist

Derevi, Empyrial Tactician

Edric, Spymaster of Trest

General Tazri (Mandatory Ally Tribe Leader)

Ghave, Guru of Spores

God-Eternal Kefnet

Godo, Bandit Warlord

Golos, Tireless Pilgrim

Grand Arbiter Augustin IV

Jace, Vryn's Prodigy  Flip

Jeleva, Nephalia's Scourge

Jhoira, Weatherlight Captain

Kykar, Wind's Fury

Meren of Clan Nel Toth

Mizzix of the Izmagnus

Momir Vig, Simic Visionary

Narset, Enlightened Master

Niv-Mizzet, Parun

Niv-Mizzet Reborn

Oona, Queen of the Fae

Prime Speaker Vannifar

Prossh, Skyraider of Kher

Ramos, Dragon Engine

Rashmi, Eternities Crafter

Scion of the Ur-Dragon (Possible Dragon Tribe Leader)

Selvala, Heart of the Wilds

Sidisi, Brood Tyrant

Sidisi, Undead Vizier

Sisay, Weatherlight Captain

Taigam, Ojutai Master

Tana, the Bloodsower

Tasigur, the Golden Fang

Teferi, Temporal Archmage

The Mimeoplasm

Varolz, the Scar-Striped

Xantcha, Sleeper Agent

Yarok, the Desecrated

Yidris, Maelstrom Wielder

Tier 3: WIP

But, yeah, you get the picture, right? Since I can't find such decks on my own to put in such a folder for decks worth testing against your own. Rules are as follows though:

  1. It needs to be up to date, prior to the Iona, Shield of Emeria & Paradox Engine bans & Painter's Servant unbanning/CMDR 2019's release; or just not include any of those at all.

  2. Each deck must not be of cEDH-level power; just imagine how much hell I'd have to playthrough against something just to beat a Thrasios/Tymna Partners deck just to have my claim on this notion nullified.

  3. Decks must include CMDRs that are Popular, were Popular as well as Tribal Decks w/ Good Tribe Leaders (For example: The First Sliver & Sliver Queen do not fit this category where Sliver Overlord does fit the Sliver Tribe Leadership. Scion of the Ur-Dragon & The Ur-Dragon can both count as Dragon Tribe CMDRs. Atraxa, Praetors' Voice is actually a bad CMDR to use in Superfriends, but Shines in all Counter Life. Make good use of that instead of making a 4< Color Walkers Deck. The rulings go on...)

I know this is too much for now, but I'm making a folder for Playtesting w/ decks as everyone kept telling me to do so; now I want to hold my end of the Bargain. But I seriously need help from you to do this. If you can find any decks here to add to such a Folder, put it on the comments below.

(& no, It's not like it's a personal thing! Anyone is allowed to use it when it's finished!)

Randomsome1 on

2 weeks ago

I run my The Ur-Dragon pretty similarly. It's a little spicy, but Skyline Despot could give you some more tokens to populate and card draw with the monarch.

bushido_man96 on Storming Legends - The Ur-Dragon

3 weeks ago

I've got a dragon tribal build myself, running The Ur-Dragon as the commander. Loads of fun to play.

For the same reason you run Primevals' Glorious Rebirth , you should consider running Urza's Ruinous Blast as another almost one-sided board wipe option.

ShiningSpear on i can be your angle...or yuor demon...or ur dragon

1 month ago

It's a little sad you can't run The Ur-Dragon for the memes. Solid deck, though, might have to try this one out myself!

MattN7498 on Ur-Dragon's Multiverse Onslaught | *PRIMER*

1 month ago

Vlasiax Opinion on the deck being slow is your opinion. In my experience, the deck has been perfectly fine and the times where the deck stumbles happens in Commander so not a whole ton I can do. It just happens sometimes. Dragon choices are made with using them as removal in mind so doing my best to include the ones that best combat permanents that give me a hard time. Kindred Discovery I like more in this deck than Rhystic Study as the upside and flavor of it I like more than Study as well as the walkers.

MoxRavager Yeah I could see including that if I need another effect. Maybe Elemental Bond for an even cheaper card but I would have to look at the deck's creatures to verify which one I would prefer. :)

Judge_Beard I've never considered the combo but the main goal with this deck is just to jam big, cool dragons. If you were looking for something like that, I would totally run that and any other dragon related combos but if I we're wanting a combo deck, I would play a different one other than Ur-Dragon. :)

Willen Morophon was one that I considered for a while and still am not 100% sure about but I've decided to not include it. While it does reduce The Ur-Dragon but 5 mana, it doesn't really do a good job of reducing everything else enough to make it worth it. If a spot opens up in the future though, he's definitely a consideration.

Cuickbrownfox1 Karrthus will always be in the deck as he's my first dragon commander and am aware of the drawbacks of having him cloned and losing my whole board. I did end up adding Kolaghan for another mass haste enabler. The second ability doesn't ever come up which is perfectly fine as he's still good enough without it.

Vlasiax on Bow before Draconic King!!! | *C19* Update

2 months ago

I understand, I've been fan of Dragons since I've bought my very first Intro pack with Ancient Hellkite in it and since that time I've tried to build powerful Dragon deck in modern but all in all it ended up being in EDH when The Ur-Dragon was spoiled. So I'll try to save as much as possible to get all the fancy spells eventually.

In your decklist I didn't see an Expedition Map - isn't it quite good tutor for Cavern of Souls or rainbow lands?

Vlasiax on Bow before Draconic King!!! | *C19* Update

2 months ago

Hmm... I'm not sure about that, it's technically a "Dragon" that might cut 2-3 mana but this time colored from our Dragons and make it way easier to cast The Ur-Dragon . However 6 CMC slot is pretty tight since we want not ramp/cost reduction cards but something that might win games or give huge advantage immediately, like Atarka, World Render - her double strike basically translates to Overrun effects in some decks.

Another slot is Balefire Dragon , which we completely omitted last time but check this out. It's:

  • 6 CMC
  • 6/6
  • Dragon with Flying
  • that COULD be considered a boardwipe IF he connects.
And here we are Drakuseth, Maw of Flames , which is:

  • 6 CMC
  • 7/7
  • Dragon with Flying
  • DOES NOT need to connect to spread damage across the board
I think that we were looking at the wrong spot all this time - he actually IS upgraded removal but not for Vaevictis Asmadi, the Dire . What do you think about this? Balefire Dragon actually is better in Kaalia of the Vast since he needs to connect, while here we could squeeze a little more off of simple attack trigger.

LadyZ on Most Powerful Creature Type

2 months ago

So The Ur-Dragon is the reason we're comparing dragons to Eldrazi? He's a dragon avatar. One more reason to put avatar as one of the most powerful creature types

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The Ur-Dragon occurrence in decks from the last year

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All decks: 0.01%