Phenax, God of Deception
Legendary Enchantment Creature — God
As long as your devotion to blue or black is less than 7, Phenax isn't a creature
Creatures you control have " (Tap) target player puts top X cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard, where X is that creature's toughness"
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Phenax, God of Deception Discussion
1 day ago
Why exactly do you run Derevi? If your deck has a heavy +1/+1 counter theme, why not go with Jenara, Asura of War? Derevis untap triggets do not even have much synergy with the deck. Gridlock is a pretty bad card, I would replace it with a real removal spell or boardwipe. The same goes for Snakeform and Vapor Snag. What is the point of Horizon Chimera? Are there synergies I am missing? Learn from the Past is an unplayable card in almost any scenario,, unless you are constantly getting milled by your opponents Phenax, God of Deception deck. I would recommend Prime Speaker Zegana and Experiment Kraj for the deck. They fit your theme perfectly and are very potent cards. Happy deckbuilding!
+1 for your deck!
3 days ago
@jackanukealty Lazav suffers from two primary weaknesses: His color identity, and his reliance upon the contents of other people's decks. It isn't too great to the Lazav player who's busily milling the creatureless control deck, or the clones deck, or the tribal deck, or the control deck with random utility creatures. Having Lazav become a Goblin Lackey, or a Clever Impersonator, or an Arbor Elf, or simply nothing at all isn't exactly what I would call a winning strategy. It's for much the same reason that cards like Bribery and Gilded Drake don't actually show up at competitive tables all that often. What's more, mill strategies can actively help certain commanders, such as Sedris, the Traitor King or Karador, Ghost Chieftain.
That would already be bad enough, but U/B, as a color identity, can't destroy artifacts and enchantments without relying on complete jank like Spine of Ish Sah or Scour from Existence, which is a very serious weakness in any sort of competitive meta. How exactly does Lazav recover from a Wheel of Sun and Moon, for example?
Now, there are obviously ways to mitigate these problems, but an optimized Lazav deck would have to devote too much of its resources to doing just that, leaving us with a deck whose strategy takes away more from its overall competitiveness than it actually gives. Phenax, God of Deception is simply the better mill commander, as the game plan he poses is simultaneously far more proactive and far more synergistic, especially when you consider how well he combos with certain cards, such as Eater of the Dead and Umbral Mantle.
That's about all there is to say about that.
3 days ago
3 days ago
I used to play Assault Formation since it appeared in the format. Before roation of Theros I also used sultai version, with Phenax, God of Deception as alternatvie win-con. Now I turned to version with Kiora, Master of the Depths as a plan B.
I strongly advice you to try Mirror Mockery with Sidisi's Faithful and Profaner of the Dead. The first one is perfect, hyper anoying board cleaner for first turns, the second one is destroyer of all token-based decks or aggro decks with low CMC's. The very same thing comes for Displacement Wave, all of those really saved me couple of times ;)
4 days ago
I used to have two of them in the deck but they're too slow for Modern. 5 mana is a huge investment and it does nothing until turn 6. I've built a casual mill deck with them and Phenax, God of Deception called Back once again, with the mill behavior.
1 week ago
I would say running 4 Rune Snag might help condense your counterspell list a bit, and they get better as you play them. Also Consuming Aberration+Phenax, God of Deception is a broken combo for any mill deck in casual.
1 week ago
Censuring Take a look at my Lazav build: Lazavdimir Putin, I hope it gives you some good ideas. It seems like you're trying to build something along the same lines. My build strays a bit from the conventional decks, because I have a lot of "Any color" land and artifact effects, allowing me to cast opponents cards from the graveyard. Cards I will recommend wholly are Sphinx's Tutelage, Dimir Doppelganger, Havengul Lich, Body Double, Traumatize, Mind Funeral, Life's Finale, Nemesis of Reason, Consuming Aberration, Mimic Vat, Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Phenax, God of Deception, Altar of the Brood, Beacon of Unrest, Memory Plunder, and Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver Is fun too.
Depending on your build it can be pricy. One definite recommendation would be to take Notion Thief out. He's too difficult to make work effectively in a mill build.
1 week ago
Typically when you see mill used in Commander it's part of an infinite combo. The commanders used for mill decks are Phenax, God of Deception, Oona, Queen of the Fae, and Ambassador Laquatus. Phenax, God of Deception combos with Eater of the Dead to tear through opponents' libraries while both Oona, Queen of the Fae, and Ambassador Laquatus turn infinite mana combos into mill engines. In , you also have access to combos like Deadeye Navigator+Palinchron+Altar of the Brood/Sphinx's Tutelage/a creature that mills cards when it enters the battlefield, and Mikaeus, the Unhallowed+Puppeteer Clique+Altar of Dementia.
With Lazav, Dimir Mastermind as your commander, what you may want to try is a control deck that focuses on stealing control of opponent's cards that you mill into their graveyard. Running with what xcn was saying, cards like Sepulchral Primordial, Animate Dead, Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni, Geth, Lord of the Vault, Life's Finale, Wrexial, the Risen Deep, etc., can take advantage of passive milling effects like Altar of the Brood, Sphinx's Tutelage, and Hedron Crab. It's not the most competitive strategy to go with, but it is a deck style that depends on your opponents so it offers a lot of variation in gameplay. I run it as a small sub-theme in my Grimgrin, Corpse-Born and it has worked out rather well for me.
So mill can be used in Commander, but if your group does not allow infinite combos than its value drops significantly.
|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Born of the Gods||Mythic Rare|
- Phenax, God of Deception + Wall of Limbs
- Kiora's Follower + Phenax, God of Deception
- Consuming Aberration + Nighthowler + Phenax, God of Deception
- Phenax, God of Deception + Profane Memento
- Consuming Aberration + Phenax, God of Deception + Traumatize
- Phenax, God of Deception + Thousand-Year Elixir + Undead Alchemist
- Phenax, God of Deception + Undead Alchemist
- Nighthowler + Phenax, God of Deception
- Consuming Aberration + Infinite Reflection + Phenax, God of Deception
- Disciple of Deceit + Phenax, God of Deception
- Duskmantle Guildmage + Mindcrank + Phenax, God of Deception
- Phenax, God of Deception + Thassa's Ire
- Disciple of Deceit + Phenax, God of Deception + Triton Tactics
- Phenax, God of Deception + Wall of Frost
- King Macar, the Gold-Cursed + Phenax, God of Deception
- Chasm Skulker + Phenax, God of Deception + Triton Tactics
- Phenax, God of Deception + Wight of Precinct Six
- Kiora's Follower + Lord of Extinction + Phenax, God of Deception
- Phenax, God of Deception + Terra Stomper
- Phenax, God of Deception + Wall of Ice
- Phenax, God of Deception + Thassa's Devourer
- Phenax, God of Deception + Triton Tactics
- Oona, Queen of the Fae + Phenax, God of Deception
- Knacksaw Clique + Phenax, God of Deception
- Nighthowler + Phenax, God of Deception + Quickling
- Phenax, God of Deception + Siren of the Silent Song
- Consuming Aberration + Phenax, God of Deception
- Phenax, God of Deception + Szadek, Lord of Secrets
- Phenax, God of Deception + Prophet of Kruphix
- Myr Galvanizer + Palladium Myr + Phenax, God of Deception
- Consuming Aberration + Duskmantle Guildmage + Phenax, God of Deception
- Altar of Dementia + Phenax, God of Deception
- Phenax, God of Deception + Consuming Aberration
- Lazav, Dimir Mastermind + Phenax, God of Deception
- Duskmantle Guildmage + Phenax, God of Deception
- Heroes' Bane + Phenax, God of Deception
- Eater of the Dead + Phenax, God of Deception
- Phenax, God of Deception + Relentless Rats
- Dragon Throne of Tarkir + Phenax, God of Deception
- Consuming Aberration + Glimpse the Unthinkable + Phenax, God of Deception
- Phenax, God of Deception + Shape the Sands
- Dragon's Eye Savants + Phenax, God of Deception + Prophet of Kruphix
- Phenax, God of Deception + Szadek, Lord of Secrets + Thousand-Year Elixir
- Consuming Aberration + Phenax, God of Deception + Undead Alchemist
- Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker + Phenax, God of Deception
- Phenax, God of Deception + Triton Tactics + Wall of Frost
- Phenax, God of Deception + Thousand-Year Elixir