This deck stared with a question. I looked at Brion Stoutarm and Spark Trooper and said, "What if I sacrifice what I have to sacrifice anyway?" I realized that, if the Trooper survives combat, this could be a 5-mana, 12 damage + 12 life combo. I also realized I could steal my opponent's creatures and sack them too, so I never run out of stuff to do.

Now cards like Fatal Frenzy , Hazoret's Favor, and Brion Stoutarm himself have zero downside, because I'm either sacrificing creatures I already have to sac, or sacrificing my opponents' creatures.

So what's all this other stuff? Allow me to show you...

So far this deck's mana base has been a pretty budget build, but I think I've built a pretty decent one. Command Tower, Boros Garrison, Boros Guildgate, Wind-Scarred Crag, Reflecting Pool, Needle Spires, Battlefield Forge, Temple of Triumph, and Ancient Amphitheater round out the duals, Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion, Arcane Lighthouse, Temple of the False God, and Evolving Wilds for some utility, and 21 basics to finish it off.

As for ramp: Fellwar Stone, Hedron Archive, Boros Keyrune, Boros Cluestone , Boros Signet , Commander's Sphere, Darksteel Ingot, Burnished Hart, Solemn Simulacrum(also card draw, me like) and Sol Ring. Neheb, the Eternal also counts as ramp and he's fricking awesome.

Spark Trooper , Phyrexian Dreadnought(sack him with his trigger on the stack = 2 mana cost, 12 damage and 12 life reward), Blistering Firecat , Cosmic Larva, Ball Lightning, Arc Runner, Nova Chaser (sack him with champion ability on the stack), Impetuous Devils, and Rite of the Raging Storm (for a chuckable every turn, great for multiplayer).
This is my main removal, damage, and lifegain package all rolled into one. Steal effects, then sac to Brion. There used to be more here, but I've cut them for other things. Zealous Conscripts, Malevolent Whispers , Traitorous Instinct, Unwilling Recruit, Kari Zev's Expertise , Mark of Mutiny, Harness by Force. Considering swapping some of these for more instants to make Sunforger more useful. Also considering cuttin some of these. We're on the fence right now I'll let you know.
Warstorm Surge for some enter the battlefield damage effects, lots of Double strike with Silverblade Paladin , Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion(on the list of possible cuts), and Temur Battle Rage , Insult / Injury(soon to be replaced by Gratuitous Violence) for double double damage damage, and a few +X/+0 cards like Fatal Frenzy and Onward to Victory(slowly starting to replace these... stay tuned). Illusionist's Bracers has a spot here too, as I can copy Brion's ability for double the damage.
A few token generators, otherwise this deck would run out fast. Flameshadow Conjuring , Feldon of the Third Path, and Mimic Vat. Will soon add Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker. Looking for any other suggestions along this vein.
Serra Avatar: with all the lifegain, a 40/40 isn't too hard. Hamletback Goliath: Big. Dumb. Effective. War Elemental: starts out small but can get out of control if not taken care of; he's really hard to cast during the second main but I'm hoping Neheb, the Eternal will help me out with that. Malignus: If I can get a +X/+0 effect on this guy I'm golden. Thunderblust: He even comes back after I sac him bwahahaha! Nova Chaser (that 4:10 mana:power ratio. Sack him with his champion ability on the stack). Phyrexian Dreadnought deserves another mention here, just because he's so BIG.

Boardwipes: I have Phyrexian Rebirth(also makes a fatty. Me like), but most of my boardwipes are for the indestructible slivers in my meta, so I also have Terminus, Descend upon the Sinful, and Hallowed Burial.

Spot Removal: Swords to Plowshares. Considering adding more here to make Sunforger more useful. Again, also considering cutting sunforger and just adding more removal. Who knows?

"Hey. ;P" - Felidar Sovereign(considering replacing him soon, as he draws a lot of hate, cheapens the game, and isn't useful half the time. We'll see.)

Also, with nine mana, more life than my opponent, and Brion of the field, Phyrexian Processor kicks ass.

I am also a strong advocate that card draw wins games. Well of Lost Dreams + lifegain = victory

Arcane Lighthouse and Glaring Spotlight : I need to target creatures with Traitorous Instinct, etc etc(these may eventually lose their spots in the mainboard, as the biggest threat I have is Crystalline Sliver, who doesn't use the keywords Shroud or Hexproof).

Skullclamp: All of the cards!!!! Obviously attaching to my attacking creatures/tokens.

Well of Lost Dreams: Best card draw I've found for a life gain deck like this. Amazing card that wins games.

Sunforger: Tutor for some steal effects or just more power. Has been doing better of late. May add some more cards to improve it's usefulness; also may remove it soon if I can't get a critical mass of instants.

Sun Titan: Back by popular demand! Can recur about a third of my deck from the graveyard. Is a Giant for Ancient Amphitheater. Just too good not to be in here.

Stuff to attach to Brion: Illusionist's Bracers-double damage, double lifegain, Gift of Immortality-good repeatable recursion and a great may to recover from an enemy board wipe, Avarice Amulet -Vigilance for Brion so I can swing and sack the same turn, card draw, and the downside is negated if I send Brion to the command zone. I also have Swiftfoot Boots-protection, haste, and Lightning Greaves(which is also for my other creatures). All of these(save one) are reusable which is nice.

Sneak Attack, my big money item. Great for when I'm tight on mana and need a sack, or if I have a lot of creature cards in hand so I can use it multiple times in one turn. very powerful card and I'm hoping it will pay off for me!

Recruiter of the Guard is basically a tutor for any of my creatures including my Ball Lightning creatures, Serra Avatar, Malignus, Nova Chaser , Solemn Simulacrum, War Elemental, or Silverblade Paladin .

Open the Armory: Tutor for Skullclamp, Sunforger, Illusionist's Bracers, Gift of Immortality, Lightning Greaves, or Swiftfoot Boots.

These are all of the more expensive cards that I want for this deck, and will be trying to save up for/trade for in the future. Most of these are over the $5 budget, so once I acquire these it will become a non-budget deck. Update: the cards I have acquired will now be marked with an . Also, this deck is no longer budget.

Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker

Sneak Attack

Phyrexian Dreadnought

Solemn Simulacrum

Nova Chaser

Phyrexian Soulgorger

Sun Titan

Weathered Wayfarer

Boros Charm

Return to Dust

Burnished Hart

Gratuitous Violence

Infiltration Lens



These are all in the order I want them, more or less.

List of possible cuts and their possible replacements, in no particular order:

Silverblade Paladin - double strike isn't as important as I once thought it was. Plains perhaps.

Spirit Loop - Probably will come out for Illusionist's Bracers.

Sunforger - Not enough instants in the deck to warrant this. Expensive to get up and running. another Plains maybe.

War Elemental - Very hard to get out post combat due to the devotion to red. Replaced by either recursion or removal.

Onward / Victory - It's good. I dunno. Maybe a damage doubler?

False Prophet - Just not sure I like him. Replaced by either recursion or spot removal.

Crumbling Colossus - sub par. Iroas, God of Victory maybe?

Armillary Sphere - Not ramp, just consistent land drops. Burnished Hart to replace?

Hazoret's Favor - Does a lot of different things but nothing really well.

Malevolent Whispers - Costs 4. Replaced by 3 mana instant steal effect?

Traitorous Instinct - See above.

Unwilling Recruit - High devotion to red is killer. Replaced by 3 mana instant steal effect? Mob Rule?

Insult / Injury - It's good but Gratuitous Violence may be better.

Temur Battle Rage - Replaced by either recursion or removal.

Felidar Sovereign - Cheapens game, not always helpful, draws a lot of hate. Sun Titan perhaps?

Glaring Spotlight - Replaced by either recursion or removal.

Wild Ricochet - Replaced by either recursion or removal.

Sadly, with recent card editions such as Sneak Attack, Phyrexian Dreadnought, and Recruiter of the Guard, and more to come, Bad luck Brion is no longer budget.

With this panel I will either make a list of cards that I have used/are budget options for Brion or will make a new decklist called Budget Bad Luck Brion and link it here. Stay tuned!

Thanks to all who upvote and comment!

Special Thanks to all the EDH masters I've asked to come look at the deck and have!

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Thanks for looking! Any advice and suggestions are much appreciated! Please Upvote to help my ego!

Now the second most popular Brion Stoutarm deck on TappedOut! Thank you!



Got up to 60 Upvotes! Closing in on Shockwave115's Macho Man Madness! for the #1 Brion spot!

Sun Titan: By popular demand! I cannot ignore the overwhelming support for this card. He can recur about a third of my deck and I think he'll do great here.

Nova Chaser : Nice 4:10 mana:power ratio. I can sack him with the champion ability on the stack or actually champion an elemental, of which I have a lot. Either way, lots of sacking!

Illusionist's Bracers: For the longest time I didn't know he worked at all with Brion. Now I know I can sack one creature and get double the damage=lifegain!

Burnished Hart: Ramp, plain and simple.

Armillary Sphere: Out for the Hart. Wasn't ramp. Not quite good enough.

Crumbling Colossus: Definitely my weakest creature. Many guys do it better.

False Prophet: I just didn't really like him.

Spirit Loop: The bracers are a good upgrade.

Gearing up to spend another $50 on Bad Luck Brion pretty soon here, so stay tuned for that! Keep the comments coming!

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30th upvote. I've never been into EDH but I like the concept and price tag. Is it any good? Also: what about Thran Dynamo and Coldsteel Heart?

July 23, 2017 2:03 p.m.

Suns_Champion says... #2

YamishiTheWickedOne Thanks for the upvote!

When you ask 'Is it any good?', do you mean EDH as a format or this deck in particular?

Thran Dynamo was over budget at $9. Coldsteel Heart is okay, might pick one up!

Thanks for the comment!

July 23, 2017 2:14 p.m.

I meant the deck. I'm not expecting to work miracles with an $80 EDH but I want a cheap deck so I can focus mon competitive modern and pauper on the side. Otherwise I'd run Olivia Voldaren or Isamaru voltron. Just because I like their mechanics and they're actual decks. My budget is all going towards modern where I spend 1-2 grand per deck.

July 23, 2017 2:22 p.m.

Suns_Champion says... #4

YamishiTheWickedOne I'd say it's pretty good. Packs a mean punch for the $80. I've been able to hold my own in 1v1s, 5 player games, against tribal, voltron, control and tokens. Played great games against a Sliver Overlord deck and a Zurgo Helmsmasher deck. i'd say win rate is around 60% actually. But most importantly It's a lot of fun to play IMO.

July 23, 2017 2:31 p.m.

Shockwave115 says... #5

This deck seems sweet! I really like the Sundial of the Infinite use to get around having to sac creatures on your end step.

It seems like your build revolves pretty heavily around Brion so I would consider maybe adding another card or two to your protection package. Whispersilk Cloak, and Gift of Immortality are a few cheap ways to keep your commander alive and flinging. Hoarding Dragon could also help you with either tutoring out one of these effects or any other artifact you might need situationaly.

Taurean Mauler and Sunscorch Regent are both budget options that will be guaranteed threats that your opponents will have to either deal with or die to.

Card draw is obviously a hard thing to keep consistent in Boros but Avarice Amulet could be another budget option that offers consistent card draw, gives Brion a small damage increase which will also gain you more life, and gives vigilance which means you can swing with Brion for 6 with lifelink and still fling something after. The downside of, "When equipped creature dies, target opponent gains control of Avarice Amulet" will never actually matter if you equip it to Brion because since you'll be putting him back in the command zone he never actually dies

My final recommendation is Chandra's Ignition. This card is completely ridiculous with Brion Stoutarm because if you use it on him your opponents and all other creatures on the field all take 4 damage and since Brion Stoutarm is dealing the damage and he has lifelink you also gain 4 life for every player and creature hit. If you're in a 4 person commander game and there are only 6 other creatures on the field across all players you would gain 40 life!

All in all this deck is awesome and I really appreciate you checking out my primer, +1 from me!

July 23, 2017 3:55 p.m.

Other things that come to mind are Spirit Loop, Assault Strobe, and Temur Battle Rage.

July 23, 2017 4:28 p.m.

Atavistic says... #7

I'm sure you've probably had this suggested already, but if you want to make it so you can deal even more damage and gain even more life, you would be crazy not to run Gisela, Blade of Goldnight, as she doubles damage dealt to your opponents but halves the damage dealt to you and, when it inevitably is targeted by removal, just sacrifice her to Brion's ability to hit the opponent in the face. Other than that, Gift of Immortality is an excellent way to keep bringing back the creatures that you intend/have to sacrifice to Brion every turn.

Also, it's a bit boring but I would recommend Staff of Nin just to get some decent card draw in there, as there isn't much in the way of that in Boros colours.

July 27, 2017 11:37 a.m.

Permafrost says... #8

This is a cool take on Brion. I would add Chromatic Lantern since this list is really red mana symbol heavy. As another win con that is also on theme and sorta budget friendly, Insurrection is a good finisher.

July 27, 2017 10:42 p.m.

Workman4137 says... #9

The one real problem in the deck i see is the lack of card draw. A Staff of Nin, Howling Mine or even a Mind's Eye would work wonders in the deck if you're willing to get some extra card draw. Especially if someone plays a Consecrated Sphinx while you have a mind's eye!

July 31, 2017 10:40 a.m.

Suns_Champion says... #11

Shockwave115, Atavistic, Permafrost, Workman4137 Thank you all sooooo much!

Shockwave: Thanks for all the insight! Of your suggestions Avarice Amulet will be squeezed in and Chandra's Ignition is under consideration! The creatures you suggest may find their way in, but I don't know what to cut. Gift of Immortality may also find it's way BACK in haha! Thanks again for the tips and hope to see you again!

Atavistic: Welcome! Gisela always seemed overpriced to me... both mana and $$$. Still, she's good and I'll give her a second look. Gift of Immortality may come back in... Not sure where though. Staff of Nin Looks good. Just wish is wasn't 6 mana. Thanks for the advice!

Permafrost: Thanks for the comment! Chromatic Lantern is over budget(if only by a little) and isn't really necessary, I always seem to have what I need with the rare exception. But since it's strictly better than some of the stuff I have in here, it will go in when I upgrade the deck eventually! Insurrection is neat but my meta has a LOT of boardwipes(sliver player...yikes) and Homeward Paths so it's only useful half of the time. Thanks a lot!

Workman: Welcome back! Lots of repeat costumers here haha! Card draw hasn't been a huge problem(Well of Lost Dreams saves lives), but you're right, there isn't enough. Staff of Nin and Avarice Amulet are going in I think so that'll clear that up! Thank you!

Again, one final thank you to all you guys! Keep the comment coming!

July 31, 2017 9:29 p.m.

Shockwave115 says... #12

Would you mind if I leave a link to this deck in my primer? I think it'll be really beneficial for people to see a budget friendly Brion and I always love seeing different takes on my favorite commander!

August 2, 2017 8:13 a.m.

Suns_Champion says... #13

Shockwave115 I don't mind at all! That would be awesome!

August 2, 2017 10:29 a.m.

RingoDingo92 says... #14

Awesome deck concept! I suggest Sun Titan for another reanimation dude.

August 9, 2017 3:09 p.m.

Here are my suggestions and some recommended removals to tighten the deck. Molten Primordial, Lifeline, Assault Suit, Recruiter of the Guard, Solemn Simulacrum, Burnished Hart, Infiltration Lens, 2x Plains (36 lands should be your minimum despite your mana rocks in order to consistently get to 4 lands by turn 4), Rage Nimbus, Master Warcraft, Nim Deathmantle, Thornbite Staff, Umbral Mantle, Helm of Possession, Anarchist, Illusionist's Bracers, Caged Sun, Gilded Lotus, Rugged Prairie, Iroas, God of Victory, Obsidian Battle-Axe, Mob Rule, Savage Beating, Adarkar Valkyrie, Karmic Guide

Suggestions to remove:

Clean up repetitious cards in sideboard and maybeboard that are in the deck. Best of luck, hope some of that is helpful.

August 9, 2017 6:10 p.m.

bushido_man96 says... #16

Lifeline is so good in this deck. I love it.

August 9, 2017 6:17 p.m.

Yes, yes it is :) I've never seen anybody play it in Brion for some reason.

August 9, 2017 6:17 p.m.

bushido_man96 says... #18

I've got in mine, and I've been an ambassador for it since I've built my version.

August 9, 2017 6:21 p.m.

Fergernuggets says... #19

With the amount of basics you are running, Terrain Generator can be a good way to get them onto the battlefield faster. Also, Terramorphic Expanse is a nice second copy of E wilds as well. Additionally, Bloodmad Vampire could be a nice way to build up power to fling at your opponents with Brion. Not used to working on a budget, so hope my comment helps! Like the deck though!

August 9, 2017 7:38 p.m.

Suns_Champion says... #20

RingoDingo92 thanks for the suggestion! I've definitely considered him as he'd hit about 25% of my deck. Thanks!

Fergernuggets Thanks for stopping by! Terrain Generator might be a good replacement for Armillary Sphere. Bloodmad Vampire might be good, but he's too easy to block I think. Thanks!

EternalBrewmaster I'm so very grateful that you took the time to make that list! And cut suggestions! I love you! A few follow up questions so I can get a better understanding of your reasoning:

Why Rage Nimbus exactly? I get that it can kill some annoying creatures and is 5 power for 3 mana, but is he really a good fit for what this deck is doing? And what other cards can work well with him?

From my experience, I'd never have enough mana for Nim Deathmantle to work. Is it worth the $6?(super budget player, I know)

Helm of Possession is awesome but what creatures do I have to sacrifice? I'm always sacking them to Brion.

What exactly is wrong with Armillary Sphere, and Open the Armory? Are they just sub-par?

Do you have a good card draw engine to replace Staff of Nin?

How many cards is a critical mass for Sunforger? Just out of curiosity.

Also what to you think of Neheb, the Eternal being in here?

What do you think of the more expensive cards I want to add? Sneak Attack, Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker, Phyrexian Dreadnought?

Otherwise, I love all of your suggestions! Some are counted out do to budget but most are under consideration! Again Thank you so much for your help!

August 9, 2017 9:58 p.m.

Rage Nimbus is definitely low priority but it's a great way to force your opponents to run their creatures into each other and leave themselves more open for you. There are probably just better options like Avatar of Slaughter. If you add more mana ramp in the form of some of my other suggestions and Gilded Lotus, Caged Sun, Gauntlet of Power, and Thran Dynamo you should have enough mana for Nim Deathmantle. Definitely you should have Neheb, the Eternal in the deck, and he would also contribute to making the Deathmantle amazing. If you are really tight for budget then yeah, stay away from the deathmantle for now. For Helm of Possession, the point is that Brion might get killed, or become too expensive to cast and you just have a bunch of Ball Lightning creatures that don't do anything so the Helm is another way to turn them into value by stealing other people's creatures. Armillary Sphere isn't actually ramp since it puts them in your hand; just play cards that put them into play instead and that you may be able to reuse, like Burnished Hart. I forgot to mention Sun Titan, but he should absolutely be in here, given that so many of your dudes that come in to smash and die are 3 CMC or less. Infiltration Lens is what I suggest to replace Staff of Nin. It works perfectly in your deck's plan and is super cheap. Combine it with Nemesis Mask for all the cards. For Sunforger you should generally be building the deck around it in the first place, or playing at least 10 targets and Mistveil Plains. Of all the cards I recommended, Lifeline is definitely the most important. I would say no to Sneak Attack and Kiki-Jiki, they're too expensive for the effects without saving you much in this deck. Dreadnought is interesting though.

August 10, 2017 5:25 p.m.

I imagine Brion talking with a thick Irish accent for some reason.

August 11, 2017 9:49 a.m.

Suns_Champion says... #23

YamishiTheWickedOne Brion has always reminded me of Dain Ironfoot from the Hobbit movie/book. Scottish accent, but still.

EternalBrewmaster thanks for allowing me the follow up! I picked up a few cards from my LGS yesterday, including Recruiter of the Guard, which was my favorite of your suggestions. Thank you! One last thing if I may: do you know of any other EDH masters who could help me out with this deck? I love getting opinions of people who have been playing the longest, thought you'd know a few. Thanks again for all your help!

bushido_man96, Shockwave115, TheHamster, MoGoose831 new updates! Check it out!

August 11, 2017 6:26 p.m.

The best people to ask are the ones who you see regularly at the top of the charts on the TO home page. I won't name drop them because it's not my place to offer up other people's time, but if you search them out and ask them, I'm sure some of them would respond. Best of luck.

August 11, 2017 6:40 p.m.

jwe94 says... #25

So fair warning this is just the ramblings of a man whose never really played with or against Brion, but I wondered what you thought of Magewright's Stone and Thousand-Year Elixir. Also provided the copy remembers the sacced creatures power (it should but I don't know for sure) Illusionist's Bracers makes for twice the flinging fun. Also for more generic type suggestions Land Tax is always nice if you find yourself short, and (depending how you feel about tutors) Enlightened Tutor can always help find some answers or some umph.

August 11, 2017 8:47 p.m.

Suns_Champion says... #26

EternalBrewmaster I know I've thanked you a thousand times but here's one more- Thank you! Hope to talk to you again!

jwe94 I like ramblings! I like suggestions from non-Brion players... you can get some really out-of-the-box suggestions.

The Stone and Elixir are nice, they just don't do enough for me. They only help Brion and Feldon of the Third Path and cost to much money wise. As for the Bracers-wait, that actually works? One sacrifice, double damage? Hell I'm putting it in right now! Land Tax and the tutor are great. On the list of possible upgrades if I ever decide to go crazy with this deck.

August 11, 2017 9:16 p.m.

MegaMatt13 says... #27

Nice deck :)

A few suggestions:

I agree with the previous poster about increasing land count to 36 (minimum) for consistency. Also agree that Sunforger can go. Your deck just isn't instant heavy (nor should it be since you are flinging creatures)

You may wanna consider Emeria Shepherd as another recursion engine.

I will add my voice to suggesting Nim Deathmantle, Molten Primordial, and Sun Titan

I would also consider a damage doubler like Dictate of the Twin Gods. Yes, it is risky but you are an aggro deck trying to burn people fast. Also, it can be flashed in on an opponent's end step to reduce its risk.

Do you want the tucking boardwipes? If you focus more on creature recursion you want creatures going to the grave. Blasphemous Act and Fumigate may be better options.

August 11, 2017 10:17 p.m.

jwe94 says... #28

A few more suggestions/questions. What do you think of Flayer of the Hatebound? True it doesn't shine without lots of recursion but the whole fling, trigger, burn and fling again is cute. Also Deathrender and Scythe of the Wretched seem like good equipment for Brion and friends. Jar of Eyeballs could be a decent way to do a little digging, thoughts? Finally they've got quite the mana costs but Stalking Vengeance and Vicious Shadows are pretty intriguing.

August 11, 2017 11:45 p.m.

Oloro_Magic says... #29

I can see something like Bonehoard being really good here as you can sac for tons of damage and it only gets bigger as you do that, Moltensteel Dragon also fells like it has great potential in this deck especially if you played something like Neheb, the Eternal or any other mana combos (with a combo like this you could also use Steel Hellkite; or even Phyrexian Unlife if you are going for a final kill with it. Pyrohemia also feels like it could find a home here, as could Chandra, Torch of Defiance.

Other than that the deck looks solid and has a great idea behind it, if there is a more specific area you want feedback on let me know and I'm happy to help.

August 11, 2017 11:48 p.m.

zandl says... #30

I'm currently on vacation away from my computer, but I can give you some general tips.

Ash Barrens is better than Evolving Wilds in nearly every single way.

Clifftop Retreat and Slayers' Stronghold are relatively inexpensive lands you can add.

I feel like Sun Titan is way too good to not use here. He recurs all of your little "one and done" guys, as well as your equipments and rocks if/when they get destroyed.

Maybe Dictate of the Twin Gods and Furnace of Rath? They're the definition of double-edged swords, but you can easily capitalize on the effects they give.

Check out for Brion Stoutarm. It's my site of choice. If you haven't housed the site yet, prepare to have your mind blown.

August 12, 2017 12:53 a.m.

TheHamster says... #31

I was summoned? Looks pretty good with the update. It's coming along nicely. I'd give suggestions but they'd all be overbudget since I have a wildly different playstyle with my Brion (play Boros Pillowfort) but looks pretty swanky! much better then when I first saw it.

August 12, 2017 1:23 a.m.

landofMordor says... #32

Hey friend. Thanks for thinking of me -- I'm happy to help!

It's a solid build. I don't have any groundbreaking revelations for you, because it's so good. Maybe, just maybe, damage doublers like Insult / Injury/Quest for Pure Flame/Dictate of the Twin Gods/Curse of Bloodletting could help you, as it's essentially a +X/+0 in a different form. Heartless Hidetsugu is definitely one-sided in this deck. Also, I'd think about cutting some of the one-use creatures you have like Ball Lightning in favor of things that grow over time. Falkenrath Marauders comes to mind as one example. Check out my deck @ Blood-Braided Beatdown (Primer) for a very similar concept in Jund colors to see what I mean.

Anyways, hope that helps! Excellent deck.

August 12, 2017 12:06 p.m.

Daedalus19876 says... #33

Overall, the deck looks good, especially on a budget! I'm a fan of RW as an EDH color combination - if you want to look over a deck in exchange, and also find some cards you might use, I'd appreciate if you'd look at my Judgment Day: Avacyn the Purifier EDH | *PRIMER* deck haha.

I feel like your deck could use a Gratuitous Violence. It would double the damage your hasty creatures deal, while also doubling the damage (and life gain) you reap from Brion throwing them. To spit it out earlier, you could run Academy Rector, and use Brion to sac her :)

I would highly recommend Test of Endurance over Felidar Sovereign: cheaper, and harder to remove.

Crumbling Colossus is your weakest high-power creature by quite a margin, and would be my first cut.

I'd also consider finding a slot to put Kor Cartographer back in: RW does not get much ramp, and she can fetch a Sacred Foundry if you decide to buy one.

You have Swords to Plowshares in here, but there's other removal you might want to be playing (Path to Exile, Oblation, Chaos Warp, etc). Also, add an Enlightened Tutor to your Sunforger Package; you'll thank me later haha.

Your ramp is...marginal at best, I'm afraid. I personally would try to play all of the 2-mana rocks you can, since they let you cast Brion on T3. That suggests Coldsteel Heart, Fellwar Stone, Fire Diamond, Marble Diamond, Iron Myr, Gold Myr, and Mind Stone (listed from best to worst). Normally I'd suggest Mana Crypt too, but it's worth half as much as your deck in total ;) I'd cut your 3-mana rocks wherever possible.

RW always lacks card draw. You literally only have 2 cards in this deck that can draw you cards, however. That is a PROBLEM. I'd recommend getting a Memory Jar, Wheel of Fortune, Reforge the Soul, and Wheel of Fate. Yes, I am aware of the cost of Wheel, but it's vital to your deck, and it's a good investment (price keeps going up, and it's good in every red deck). If you're feeling fancy, Scroll Rack+Land Tax is another super good combo ;)

Hope that's helpful! :)

August 12, 2017 12:49 p.m.

freakingShane says... #34

I'll be honest, I think this deck is great. And really, I'd still consider it fairly budget. ~$100-150 is the cap for a budget deck in my opinion. Either way, I think this is a hilarious and powerful deck.

I don't have much to add, suggestion-wise, other than strongly recommending Illusionist's Bracers (which I know you are already considering).

Some other things you could consider, although not necessary, would be:

  • For early game redundancy, or in times where Brion Stoutarm is out of reach, you could throw Fling in here. It just adds a touch of redundancy when needed, or overkill when not needed.

  • If you get into situations where you have to sac multiple creatures and can only do one with Brion, you could add other sac outlets as well. Those could be Ashnod's Altar / Phyrexian Altar for additional mana or Goblin Bombardment to squeeze out a little more damage.

  • Sac outlets of any kind can pair well with Cauldron of Souls and a board wipe. Give everything persist, wipe the board, sac everything in response, bring them back and sac again. That could definitely be too much of a "build around", but I think that could be hilarious and salt on the wounds for your opponents.

I also agree with much of Daedalus19876 above comment, too. I know the Scroll Tax combo isn't the cheapest, but it is basically Ancestral Recall with more upside. Without breaking the bank completely, I will leave it at this! Haha. Again, nice deck, man!

August 12, 2017 1:55 p.m.

Forkbeard says... #35

Sweet deck, +!
It already looks very tuned, but I'd consider Enlightened Tutor. With nearly a quarter of your deck being artifacts/enchantments, this would serve you well.

August 12, 2017 7:06 p.m.

clayperce says... #36

This looks really fun; big +1 from me!

With all the usual caveats (I have no idea what your meta is like, I've never actualy played your deck so I'm just theorycrafting here, etc), here are a few thoughts:

Draw well!

August 12, 2017 11:55 p.m.

Suns_Champion says... #37

Welcome everyone! You are all a testament to the amazing community we have her on TappedOut. I called for help, you all answered. My cup overfloweth.

MegaMatt13 - Thanks for the comment! Yeah I think I will be putting more plains in. That will also help if I decide I want Emeria Shepherd as well. Nim Deathmantle is great but the mana ramp required just seems to expensive to for me atm, so I'm straying away from it for now. Molten Primordial may be a good finisher and yeah, Sun Titan is going in. I'm at least putting Gratuitous Violence in soon, not sure I like the double edged sword of the others. I stay away from them because of my brother's Zurgo Helmsmasher deck. And I like the tucking/exiling board wipes because of my friend's sliver deck. Thanks again!

jwe94 - Double dipping commenting ;) Thanks! I like Flayer of the Hatebound. The rest don't really seem worth it. Stalking Vengeance used to be in here but I found it's too slow/costs too much. Thanks again!

Oloro_Magic - Thanks for stopping by! Bonehoard looks neat and Moltensteel Dragon could be great as I'll usually have a lot of life. I'll try em out! the rest are either too expensive(looking at you, Chandra), or just don't seem like the best fit. Appreciate you commenting!

zandl - I like all those lands, I'll add them in eventually. Sun Titan is going in. Universal damage doublers are too risky with my brother's Zurgo Helmsmasher deck. Gratuitous Violence will find a place though. Thanks a lot!

TheHamster - Hi again! Just figured you'd like to see the progress! You were my first commenter hahaha! I'm pretty happy with what it's become. Thanks!

landofMordor - Thanks for the comment friend! I have Insult / Injury and will be adding Gratuitous Violence. The others are too risky. Heartless Hidetsugu may work... I'll think about him. I like the Ball Lightning cards too much. It's the main gimmick of the deck so I won't be giving them up haha! Checked out you deck; very nice! Thanks again for stopping by!

Daedalus19876 - Thanks for all the advice! I've actually already seen and upvoted your Judgement Day haha! Gratuitous Violence is going in. Felidar Sovereign will be leaving me soon so I won't add ToE for the same reason he's leaving. Crumbling Colossus will be cut soon-Iroas, God of Victory you think? I've kept Kor Cartographer in the sideboard for that very reason. He'll probably find his way back in. Yes I've been needing more removal and those are all good options. Enlightened Tutor may find a place even with Sunforger possibly being cut. I also think you're right about the 2 cost mana rocks... good advice. All those card draw options are amazing but very expensive. Will keep them in mind but for now I'll find cheaper alternatives. Thank you a thousand times my friend!

freakingShane - Thanks for the kind words friend! Yup, the Bracers are going in. All those other cards I'll consider as a package, may perhaps replace my Sunforger package with them. Thanks a ton!

Forkbeard - Thanks for the upvote! I will consider Enlightened Tutor! Definitely an upgrade for Open the Armory. Thanks again!

clayperce - Appreciate it man! I've never had an issue with Temple of the False God. Works fine for me. Taurean Mauler doesn't work because of my friend's Sliver Overlord, but Sunscorch Regent is nice. Also adds life gain! Other people's treason effects aren't an issue. Never have enough pre-combat mana for Rogue's Passage. I'll consider Chandra. Thanks a lot!

Again, just want to thank you all for the kind words and advice! I've got a lot to think about!

August 13, 2017 12:23 a.m.

MoGoose831 says... #38

Changes look great.

I just found two cards that are on budget and worth a try, check out Debt of Loyalty, off color creature steal that no one will expect, and Dawn Charm is absolutely amazing versatility wrapped in a super budget friendly package almost an auto include for any white decks I have WHITE COUNTERSPELL!!!!!

August 13, 2017 5:16 a.m.

Fling in a deck, as a creature, in Magic in general, has always been a sweet spot for me. I love it.

Here are some seasoning suggestions to spice that baby up.

Ogre Battledriver - I'm aware Ball Lightning-type creatures don't need haste, but that +2 adds up quick.

Homura, Human Ascendant - Fling it, now everything is bigger and has evasion.

Ronin Warclub - Here you go Mr. Raging Elemental of Fiery Fury, have a club. Every time.

Grafted Wargear - Even better. Equipment without Equip costs feels like cheating.

Steelshaper's Gift - You're already running enough Equipment to justify it, plus these 2 I just mentioned.

Pandemonium - Risky, but better costed than Warstorm Surge.

Gift of Estates - Hitting those lands drops is very meaningful in colors that don't ramp.

Treasonous Ogre - Highly effective at fueling power plays. You're gaining tons of life anyway, right?

Gamble is on-point for the bad luck theme.

I see that Lifeline is already in your MaybeBoard. That effect is bonkers with sac-creatures.

All in all, a beautiful deck with power and personality. Bravo.

August 14, 2017 2:21 a.m.

Isaiah13 says... #40

I actually saw someone mill a person with this deck using Altar of Dementia they had like ten 10/10 creatures that they couldn't attack with and they sacked all of their creatures to mill their opponent. A weird way to win but it was fun to watch. Just a suggestion that you might end up winning with

August 14, 2017 3:29 a.m.

Rzepkanut says... #41

Deck looks good...I remembered making some suggestions on it before it before...I still think Emeria Shepherd could be pretty great. Cheers!

August 14, 2017 10:55 p.m.

Suns_Champion says... #42

MoGoose831 thanks haha! I'll think about those. Kinda like Lapse of Certainty and Mana Tithe.

VesuvanDoppelbanger Thanks for stopping by, friend! Of all of those I like Grafted Wargear and Steelshaper's Gift the most, though I already have Open the Armory and I am considering Enlightened Tutor so I probably won't need the Gift. Gift of Estates is nice! Budget Land Tax almost. Will consider it but may just save up for Land Tax and Weathered Wayfarer. Gamble really is on theme hahaha it's on the list! I'll think about Treasonous Ogre. Thanks for all the suggestions!

Isaiah13 Thanks for the comment! Interesting card but not really what I'm trying to do here. Thanks anyway!

Rzepkanut Thanks for giving it a second look! Yeah I'm looking for cuts to make room for more recursion like her. Thanks again friend!

EternalBrewmaster I used your background formatting, hope you don't mind! gave you a shout-out in the description! Thanks!

August 15, 2017 10:43 a.m.

Mass Mutiny could be great. Especially if you run more sacrifice outlets, or thornbite staff. Maybe over a 4 mana threaten effect?

August 19, 2017 1:37 p.m.

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