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Descend upon the Sinful
Exile all creatures.
Delirium — Put a 4/4 white Angel creature token with flying onto the battlefield if there are four or more card types among cards in your graveyard.
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Descend upon the Sinful Discussion
2 months ago
if the thing you want is to have a deck focused on flying creatures or spells without good or bad additions, why not make a commander deck? if you already got the colors figured out you could use Raff Capashen, Ship's Mage, Azor, the Lawbringer or even Medomai the Ageless. with that combination you got a lot of ways to control the board and protection for your creatures, and add 40 more cards to the deck. Aboshan's Desire, Flood, Tidal Flats, Spirit Bonds, Invocation of Saint Traft, Angelic Favor, Entreat the Angels, Tidal Surge, Decree of Justice, Battle Screech, March of Souls, Descend upon the Sinful, Storm Herd are cards that you could use in commander but not in this deck... if you want to have a reliable way to trigger Sigil of the Empty Throne you can use Flickering Ward, Shimmering Wings, Conviction, Brilliant Halo, Gossamer Chains, Viscerid Armor, Ephara's Enlightenment and others. Aven Mindcensor, Mana Short, Boomerang, Standstill, Magus of the Moat, Bident of Thassa, Sigil of the New Dawn, Hindering Light, Supreme Verdict.
ooor make a pauper deck edh or a normal one... :P
4 months ago
Seasons Past Broken Bond Recollect Creeping Renaissance Hour of Promise Sylvan Scrying Harvest Season Seeds of Renewal Revive Descend upon the Sinful Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip Sandwurm Convergence Song of the Dryads Lignify Frontier Siege
4 months ago
Cards I'd consider adding:
Primevals' Glorious Rebirth can be a huge swing.
Aminatou, the Fateshifter has tons of utility for little mana.
Elspeth, Knight-Errant comes down early, protects herself, can allow Atraxa to kill someone with 3 hits and her ult makes any threats you have very hard to deal with.
Oath of Gideon makes tokens to protect your walkers with, generally speeds up your ult clocks, and enables some sneaky combos, like allowing some walkers to instantly ult with doubling season that previously couldn't or allowing Tezzeret the Seeker to find The Chain Veil and stick around to untap it.
Oath of Teferi is a bit expensive manawise, but allows your walkers to go bonkers.
Shalai, Voice of Plenty can block, provides hexproof to the team as well as you (it's surprising how many annoying things say "target player") and comes with a built in Gavony Township to pump your tokens with.
This is very meta-dependent, but you look somewhat light on removal. I'd consider at least one 4-mana wipe (Damnation, Wrath of God, Day of Judgment, Supreme Verdict) and one or two more exile effects for hard to remove must-answer threats (Descend upon the Sinful, Swords to Plowshares, Anguished Unmaking, Utter End, etc.) unless you really never feel like you need them.
I've seen Deploy the Gatewatch get bad/no hits too many times to be a huge fan of it. Definitely a flavorwin though.
I'm not sure how necessary Gilded Lotus is, considering all your other ramp. Your Landbase doesn't look like you need the colorfixing, and 5 mana seems like a lot to still be ramping, even if you get 3 mana back.
Vraska the Unseen just ended up being an overpriced killspell most of the times I played her, and even if she ults, the tokens still have to untap, and not be blocked, to kill someone.
Liliana, the Last Hope's ult is very nice, but imho not really worth her other 2 pretty useless abilities.
Lastly, seeing as how high quality your landbase is, I'd consider carefully cutting back on the basics and replacing Cultivate with a Farseek and maybe a Nature's Lore. I'm running 37 lands with a pretty trashy base and rarely run into problems, but if you're rather safe then sorry when it comes to lands, that's understandable.
Good luck and have fun playing!
Crayak on tokens 2.0
4 months ago
Deck ziet er goed uit, er zitten nog veel kaarten in die ik ondertussen gemist heb. :D Ik vind zelf de average cmc best hoog. Ik denk dat je daardoor misschien niet vaak de ability van rhys kan gebruiken. Mana doubles zoals Mirari's Wake en Zendikar Resurgent gaan daarom zeker helpen. Song of Freyalise is zeker een goede additie. Cryptolith Rite werkt net zo. Harvest Season laat je land in play leggen voor alles wat tapped is. Deze kaart combo-ed goed met convoke kaarten of de kaarten hieronder die er voor kunnen zorgen dat je minder snel wordt geswarmed door opponents. Harvest Season is al beter dan cultivate als je 2 tapped creatures hebt.
Carddraw in wit-groen tokens is ook iets makkelijker geworden met bijv. Huatli, Radiant Champion en Camaraderie. (De goedkoopste opties heb je al Mentor of the Meek en Skullclamp.) Andere duurdere opties zijn Collective Unconscious en Regal Force. Shamanic Revelation kost weer wat minder en geeft je ook nog leven voor de grotere creatures. Deze kaart werkt best goed met de worms en angels in het deck.
Het deck mag wel iets meer removal draaien. Hoeveel manieren heb je om creatures/permanents weg te halen? Een suggestie is o.a. Aura Mutation. Ik vind dit ontzettend sterke removal gezien de value die je haalt uit deze instant van 2 mana. Citywide Bust is nieuwe mass removal voor token decks.
Eldrazi Monument maakt je creatures indestructible en laat ze vliegen. Dat laat ze makkelijker doorkomen bij opponents. Bovendien biedt het bescherming tegen de boardwipes die je ook zelf draait. Mirri, Weatherlight Duelist maakt het ook makkelijker om door te komen en voorkomt dat mensen je gaan swarmen. Shalai, Voice of Plenty biedt je ook bescherming tegen sources met single targets. Die kan je overwegen, maar ik vind 'm hier niet super goed.
Concordant Crossroads geeft alles wat in play komt haste. Dit werkt goed in je token deck, maar werkt helaas ook op opponents. Ook Akroma's Memorial geeft je creatures haste en maakt het makkelijker om ze door te laten komen. De haste enables werken ontzettend goed met de Goldnight Commander of Cathars' Crusade die in je deck zitten. En ook met Divine Visitation hieronder.
Divine Visitation doet op zichzelf niets maar maakt wel flying 4/4 angels van al de tokens die in play komen. Dit bufft je tokens en maakt je betere blockers en laat ze ook makkelijker doorkomen.
Tendershoot Dryad is naar mijn mening veel beter dan Verdant Force die nu in je deck zit. Deze kost 3 mana minder en kan je saprolings ook nog buffen. Speel 'm na Aura Mutation en/of Mycoloth en je kan meteen voor veel slaan met de saprolings. Je kan natuurlijk ook nogsteeds beide spelen.
Thunderfoot Baloth is goed in het buffen van creatures. Maar hiervoor zijn ook andere goede opties te vinden.
March of the Multitudes vind ik in dit deck beter dan Chord of Calling al kan je daarmee o.a. Craterhoof Behemoth uitzoeken. Het nadeel is dan wel dat je creatures getapped hebt liggen. Als je veel met convoke en/of kaarten als Song of Freyalise speelt dan zou ik ook Paradox Engine in het deck doen. Met de song kan je hiermee al je non-lands uit je hand casten. Als je nog 'n steady carddraw hebt met Mentor of the Meek of huatli's emblem dan kan je je hele deck in play leggen. Buiten dat is deze ook sterk want het geeft je de mogelijkheid om met alles aan te vallen iedere beurt. Buiten convoke en de Cryptolith Rite effecten heb je nog Glare of Subdual die ontzettend goed werk heeft geleverd in mijn ghave deck. Best wel een aanrader. Je tapt 'n mannetje en voorkomt dat je aangevallen word door grote threats. Deze werkt ook goed met Paradox Engine of Throne of the God-Pharaoh.
The Immortal Sun is in dit deck beter als Staff of Nin al kan je ze beide prima spelen. Het helpt je bovendien bij het casten van kaarten en bufft meteen ook al je mannetjes. Het werkt ook tegen planeswalkers van opponents en helaas werkt deze ook tegen de planeswalkers in je eigen deck waar je op moet letten.
Flower / Flourish is zowel vroeg als late game prima.
Nogmaals, het deck heeft zeker goede potential. Rhys blijft squishy maar is zeker niet de grootste threat op het bord. Kaarten die ik uit je deck zou halen zijn Acidic Slime, Armada Wurm,Hydra Broodmaster en Verdant Force die naar mijn mening te veel mana kosten voor wat ze doen. Karametra, God of Harvests werkt helaas alleen op creatures die je cast en niet op je tokens. Omdat je weinig creatures hebt zal ik 'm er uit laten.
Descend upon the Sinful is ook te duur en laat je alles verliezen ondanks de kaarten die je creatures indestructible kunnen maken. Ik zou het laten bij de removal wat destroyed ipv exiled. Er zijn nog nieuwe kaarten uitgekomen die al je creatures indestructible maken voor de turn. Ik heb ze niet genoemd maar ze kunnen erg sterk zijn samen met de boardwipes die je zelf speelt of de boardwipes van opponents.
5 months ago
As you have added this list to the superfriends hub and mention that creatures would be the first thing you'd cut, I'll mainly focus my recommendations on the superfriends theme. A lot of the suggestions I am going to make might seem fairly obvious if you have seen more conventional superfriends lists, but incase you have not, I'll make them anyways.
Ok, after finishing this, I might need to add a TLDR: Subthemes are great, they make your deck unique. But if you want your deck to be reasonably streamlined, you might want to keep your subthemes just that: subtheme(s) to an actual main theme. Build your shell with that main theme in mind and then see how much space remains for your subtheme(s). Don't get caught in minute synergies between subtheme cards, keep asking yourself "does this go with my main theme or AT LEAST really hit the core of my subtheme?" The rest develops as you play the list and tinker around with it. Below you find some recommendations I would make for a superfriends shell. But take this all with a grain of salt, I am by no means an amazing player, nor an expert on deckbuilding.
Let's start this off with Primevals' Glorious Rebirth. This card is just plain insane. It allows you to play your walkers early on in the game without worrying about them dying too much and then get them all back in one backbreaking turn later on. Doubling Season into this has won me quite a few games.
Oath of Nissa is cheap, rarely fails to find something you want, and makes casting your walkers easier early on, which is nice. Oath of Gideon gets you tokens to block with, and the additional loyalty is often more relevant than one might think. Oath of Jace, Oath of Liliana and Oath of Ajani are definitely playable as well, but I think the others are less situational/ do more at their costs, so I tend to stick with those. It's worth noting that all the oaths are legendary, so they do come back with Primevals' Glorious Rebirth.
The Chain Veil is a classic Superfriends card, it's legendary so it comes back with Primevals' Glorious Rebirth and it makes for some insane turns once you have multiple Walkers online, especially if you can untap it, for example with Tezzeret the Seeker (infinite activation combos are possible here). I've heard about people actually cutting it because they find it a bit clunky (don't have one myself yet, so I can't really comment on that), but it's definitely a powerful card.
Settle the Score can be awkward. There is better singletarget removal available and it needs a target in order to uptick your walker. On the other hand, being able to ult a walker out of nowhere can be pretty sweet. Probably not an optimized card, but decent nontheless.
Extra turn spells like Nexus of Fate or Savor the Moment can allow for extra activations on your walker abilities or just win you the game outright if you can build a board of creatures before going into your extra turn and swinging.
The problem I see with your mana acceleration is that most of it is either pretty slow, susceptible to removal, or both. Gyre Sage for example needs you to get counters onto it to be effective and dies to any kind of creature removal (I still like the card when running +1/+1-counter-synergies and a certain amount of creatures, it just doesn't always ramp you very well). Mox Opal requires you to have metalcraft online, something which I found hard early on within a few test-mulligans I did, and the later the game gets, the lower the impact of a 0-Cost Manarock becomes. Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chaliceboth need a proliferate or two to really shine. Not to mention, if you are geared toward your friends, they might be teching for you as well, and something like a Vandalblastcould hose your ramp pretty hard.
I'd definitely include some landbased ramp along the lines of Farseek, Rampant Growth, Cultivate, Kodama's Reach or Solemn Simulacrum. It thins your deck, comes down fairly early, fixed your mana and rarely gets removed. If you have green in your identity, that ramp is hard to pass by.
Also, unless it's banned in your playgroup, Sol Ring. It's just really good. Especially if you want cheap artifacts that produce mana.
As Foretold is slow, but can get out of control fast, even more so when paired with proliferate. Definitely a fun card.
Another piece of acceleration that is good on it's own and has proliferate-synergy is Coalition Relic.
Thaumatic Compass Flip is a card i recently started running and I've been loving it so far. It fixes your mana and/or finds you lands if you need that, and it flips into a land that can tap for mana and protect your walkers, while being reasonably hard to destroy itself.
If you untap with Mirari's Wake on the board, the game can often just be over, and the +1/+1 works well both with the tokens from your walkers as well as the creatures that you're still running.
There are quite a few great walkers out there and I won't name them all (you're running quite a few of them already). Generally anything that gives you decent cardadvantage, protects itself (usually by making tokens to block with), or kills something the turn it comes down is fine, anything with a combination of 2 of those on its first two abilities is really good. Ults are a lot more relevant in this deck than in most others, as you actually have a pretty reliable chance of getting them off, but I'd still be careful with running a walker JUST because of it's ult. Run cards that you're happy to draw even without a doubling season on the board.
Ugin, the Spirit Dragon is the big bad dragon in the room. It's amazing, it wins games, is colorless so you can play it in other decks, but it's pricey.
Vraska, Relic Seeker is a walker I've grown to love recently. Her tokens are great, her removal hits a lot of things and actually gets you and artifact that somewhat ramps you, and her ult often allows you to just take one opponent out then and there (not to mention the fact that it's actually quite easy to reach her ult even without doubling season, seeing as her first ability is +2).
Elspeth, Knight-Errant is useful early on to make and pump tokens, and in your deciding turns her emblem can allow you to wipe your opponents boards while your creatures survive and swing for lethal. It also protects your board in case you can't finish off all opponents at once and have to let them untap. Vivien Reid does a similar job.
This highly depends on your metagame, but overall I feel like your list is a bit low on sweepers. One of the big upsides of running a lot of walkers is that very few boardwipes hit them, so you can continue to set back your opponents while protecting your walkers and generating value. Cards like Damnation/Wrath of God/Day of Judgment, Cyclonic Rift, Toxic Deluge, Decree of Pain, Merciless Eviction, Descend upon the Sinful, Austere Command, In Garruk's Wake and Phyrexian Scriptures all have their targets and you can run them as you see fit.
Counterspells in EDH are a tricky topic. My playgroup doesn't really run any and I hate playing against them so I don't want to start things, but if you see your big spells getting countered repeatedly, you might want to at least run something along the lines of Swan Song, Counterspell and/or Spell Pierce to protect them. Cards like Mystic Confluence or the more expensive Cryptic Command are great because you can just use their other modes in games where you don't want to counter any spells.
Unlike Ghostly Prison or Propaganda, Norn's Annex actually protects your walkers as well as your face. The problem is that aggro/go wide decks are often happier to pay life than mana, particularly early on.
As you already have Teferi's Protection, arguably the better card, this might be a bit overkill, but Comeuppance can be another emergency button kind of card (and this one can actually sometimes kill your opponent).
Some cards that are either just fun to play or decent on their own in the deck (most of these aren't all that optimized ^^).
Helm of the Host costs a LOT of mana to get it on the board and equipped. If your opponents can then remove it for little cost, it's pretty bad. But if it sticks around for a few turns, it can do insane things. An army of Atraxas (all of which proliferate at the end of turn) alone is amazing, but you can also abuse the effects of other creatures (like Deepglow Skate) or combo this with Gideon of the Trials to make a nonlegendary copy of the walker and an emblem on the same turn, forcing your opponents to deal with both walkers before they can kill you. And if they can't kill both before you untap, you can make another copy. And so on. Also synergises with both Doubling Season for extra tokens as well as Primevals' Glorious Rebirth for being another legendary permanent.
Thief of Sanity has been showing up in our playgroup quite a bit. At worst it's just a 2/2 flyer to block with, at it's best it creates this second hand for you that sticks around even if the thief dies and gives you the option to exile your opponents' best cards and use them against them.
If you want to stick with more of the Artifact- and/or +1/+1-counter-synergies, both Hangarback Walker and Walking Ballista are amazing cards on their own that can take over games once paired with some kind of enabler.
If you want to add to your infect-arsenal, both Ichor Rats and Viral Drake are decent cards to run. Be warned though, quite a few players dislike infect in EDH, and some playgroups even have houserules increasing the number of counters needed to kill someone to 15 or 20.
What to cut: In the end, this comes down to you. There might be subotimal cards that you really enjoy playing even if they don't increase your chances at winning. Or a certain sweet combo might justify running a card that is clunky in a lot of situations (Helm of the Host is definitely such a card for me).
Generally, I'd start with the cards that don't really go with any of your main themes. Stuff like Brago, King Eternal, Muldrotha, the Gravetide, Derevi, Empyrial Tactician or Etrata, the Silencer(proliferating assassination counters doesn't do anything btw, they have to be on different creatures; just in case you missed that). If you really want effects like that in your deck, try to find it on things that work better with your core themes (like Aminatou, the Fateshifter being able to blink important permanents the turn she comes into play and without having to attack, while working with planeswalker synergies, Primevals' Glorious Rebirth allowing you to return most of your core pieces from your graveyard in one big blowout or extra turn spells allowing you to untap permanents while also giving you extra planeswalker activations).
Then, if you want to focus on one theme and cut back on the others, start with those pieces that worst on their own, like Mox Opal doing literally nothing if you don't have Metalcraft turned on, or Corpsejack Menace being a plain 4/4 for 4 if you aren't putting counters on creatures. If you only have cards remaining that work on their own or with little buildaround, keep asking yourself "would I rather have this or something that goes with my core theme". At this point you can just keep trying around, cutting what feels bad to you, adding some stuff, maybe going back if it changes for the worse, but try to keep your bigger picture in mind. Keep enough of the core mechanics (card draw, ramp, removal, proactive plays) and always ask yourself "what does this do in my deck, why is it the best option, what could I be running instead?". The answer to this question can very well be "I like playing it" or "it looks cool" but this keeps you from playing cards in your deck without reason.
Sooo there you have it, my 2 cents (or maybe 20) on Atraxa Superfriends. There are quite a few expensive cards up there that I don't even own myself, so in case you're interested in my current list, you can find that here.
5 months ago
Hey, long time no see!
Back with a few suggestions for you.
Why not Nevermore to block the already low-enough cards that could deny you a victory with Sigarda? Name either their commander, or, if they play those colors...
...or any combo piece if you know enough of the mtg possibilities.
Nylea's Colossus is a big beater with enchantment upsides.
Hope you find something you like in those!
5 months ago
I like what you're trying to do with this. My friend have a ST deck too. A few improvements you could make is to take out some of the less useful creatures like Magus of the Balance and Silent-Blade Oni and replace them with Wrath of God and Day of Judgment because otherwise your deck will struggle with creature heavy decks. Adding in Descend upon the Sinful for an Exile effect is probably also a good idea. Swords to Plowshares is a cheap removal you're missing. It's the best removal spell ever printed. Personally I'd swap it for Condemn as that requires something to attack first. Hero's Downfall is another good one to add because it's just a better version of Murder and it pretty much a dollar rare.
5 months ago
I reckon average CMC probably needs to come down overall. You have almost no ramp in the deck, afterall, only like 5 cards. 21 at >5 CMC seems pretty whack, especially when your commander is a mana sink. Farhaven Elf and Wood Elves seems reasonable value with your creature synergies.
Felidar Sovereign seems not synergistic. Low life gain opportunities.
Reya Dawnbringer is clunk town, particularly with lots of other ways to reanimate/prevent creatures dying.
Hydra Broodmaster will probably be a 2 turn process. That's usually a 7/7 for 6, followed up by 3 3/3s if it lives. 19 power for 13 mana isn't really an exceptional rate on mana efficiency, and it offers so little utility.
Yosei, the Morning Star seems ambitious with your fairly small reanimator suite.
Sunscorch Regent seems a bit like a do-nothing fatty.
The Great Aurora feels pretty bad when you really aren't a dedicated token deck.
Angelic Arbiter is a giant awkward fatty that ALSO gives your opponent choices. Don't love it.
The 'aura package' might be too cute. I think you already are working in a lot of different directions there, between trying to be a counters deck, and a hatebears deck, and a tokens deck. Open the Armory and Heliod's Pilgrim are not exceptional. This makes Lignify pretty bad too.
You have a variety of field sweeps despite being a creature deck. I don't think this is wrong, but given the effort you've put into 'indestructible synergy', the sweeps that bypass indestructible seem problematic for you. Note, this still leaves you with 5 sweeps after Hallowed Burial and Descend upon the Sinful are cut.
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