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Hallowed Burial Discussion
3 weeks ago
4 weeks ago
Ok Niko, Quick Breakdown of what you've got here.
I notice several themes integrated into the deck. You should probably only focus on one theme, and if a secondary theme crops up take advantage of it's synergies. Right now I'm seeing:
Tokens Populate Soldiers Lifegain Creature Count Matters Enchantments Matter
Next we look at targeted removal:
Wanderer's Strike - Just one removal spell is too few. What happens if someone plays a dank artifact or enchantment? Do you just die to it?
Next we'll look at boardwipes:
Hour of Revelation - Some heavy restrictions here. Do you really want to wait for your boardwipe to become discounted? This is also too few board wipes. What happens if the creatures are indestructible? Or if Someone plays around Hour of Rev?
Next we'll look at ramp:
Smothering Tithe - Excellent choice, and a real over-performing option as well.
Ashnod's Altar - Excellent way to make use of your tokens and small costed buddies.
Everflowing Chalice - Aight, not my first pick, but it's aight.
Sol Ring - Duh
This is a pretty good ramp package, but I think we could upgrade it.
Next we'll break down your card draw options:
Mentor of the Meek - Decent in this deck. Sure the tokens you want to make the most of don't work out, and a few cards you play can turn this on. I like him, lets optimize creatures around him to make him better.
Skullclamp - Ayup!
Two cards that draw for you is a good start, lets add in some more.
Alright, let's cut everything that isn't a creature, that doesn't make tokens on its own, that isn't removal, card draw, boardwipes, or ramp, that doesn't have synergy with your commander.
Ajani's Welcome - A great card, but definitely reserve it for a build where you abuse your life totals more so than make creatures.
Anafenza, Kin-Tree Spirit - Most of your creatures are tokens.
Angel of Glory's Rise - Anti-synergies with your commander, and the tokens it creates.
Angel of Renewal - We can find a card that does something better.
Angelic Accord - We want to make angel tokens, but we're not here to gain life.
Angelic Chorus - While this looks good, it generally equates to 4-5 life a turn. Not bad, but not amazing for the investment in this deck.
Angelic Exaltation - Boy do I have mixed feelings on this card, suffice it to say, if you have no creatures, this card sucks. You might have no creatures when you draw this card. That would suck.
Elite Inquisitor - A good card, but we can do better.
Fiendslayer Paladin - A good card, but we can do better.
Forebear's Blade - There's a little synergy here, but to be honest you want a huge discount from this, and you're not likely to get a consistent discount.
Glorious Anthem - A great spell for a tempo based weeny deck. This is a cast based token deck.
Lena, Selfless Champion - You have so many more token creatures than non-token ones, and your zombie tokens don't benefit from her selflessness at all.
Martyr's Bond - This has potential in a deck that sacrifices it's stuff to maintain board control. I don' think this is a bad card, it just isn't a good enough fit.
Power Conduit -Here's that counter theme again.
Preeminent Captain - Soldier theme.
Sigil of the Empty Throne - Enchantment theme
Squad Captain -Creature count matters theme.
Standing Troops - A good card, but we can do better.
Sunblade Angel - A good card, but we can do better.
Umbral Mantle - I may have missed what this was for.
Veteran's Armaments - Soldier theme again.
Wanderer's Strike - A good card, but we can do better.
Now, I am well aware that this is a lot of cards. Let's shore up your deck, maybe by analyzing your win conditions.
God-Eternal Oketra + Creature Spells = Profit
Token Makers + Divine Visitation = Profit
Expendable Tokens + Ashnod's Altar = Profit
So you win by smacking with a bunch of medium sized tokens, most of the time. This means you need to do three things, Play creatures, Draw Creature spells, and protect your creatures.
Let's start by adding in some badass creatures that fit in your deck well.
Loyal Sentry - One mana has never been spent so well. In the late game it makes a token, in the early game it swings for damage, in the mid game it blocks and destroys pesky creatures.
Knight of the White Orchid - A bear with first strike that ramps you. Pretty good.
Oreskos Explorer - I would never play this in a non-mono-white deck. This does however let you catch up if you are late on land draws, and is at worst a bear to block with.
Boreas Charger - Ramp bud, ramp in mono-white whenever possible. Helps that you could make a zombie, or sac it to skullclamp.
Brimaz, King of Oreskos - I heard you wanted more cats? Can I convince you to play more cats?
Leonin Warleader - This was a card in your maybeboard, its really good.
Oketra the True - This is a fairly good card. Big blocker, or a token generator if you're doing poorly. I often hold her in hand to dump and rebuild after a board wipe.
Ranger of Eos - Only a few cards in your deck that this can retrieve, but a refill alongside making a zombie is an incredibly reserved play that could prevent you from over committing to the board.
Crested Sunmare - Don't get confused. This card cares if you gain life, but not how much. You have plenty of life gain left in the deck to justify making an army of 5/5 indestructible horses.
Geist-Honored Monk - Build a board, save for right after board wipes, or to pull ahead and force one. This is at worst a 3/3 with Vigilance, and two 1/1's with flying for 5 mana. Most often, this will be a 5/5 with vigilance, two 1/1's with flying and a 4/4 with vigilance for 5 mana.
Sun Titan - Sun Titan is Sun Titan. No mono-white deck could be ashamed to run it.
Angel of Serenity - This card is heavily underrated. It is removal, with the possibility to come back, but its also an easy way to sneak in a lethal attack while generating some board presence.
Good on creatures now? Awesome, let's look at Instants.
Swords to Plowshares - Remove that creature.
Generous Gift - Remove that Permanent. Oh and make a creature smaller than my Zombie tokens.
Disenchant - Get that Artifact or Enchantment off my battlefield and in your graveyard.
Rootborn Defenses - Yeah, this.
Unbreakable Formation - This can win games, or prevent the loss of games.
Return to Dust - Fuck these two things in particular, or just one if it's that bad.
Charge Across the Araba - Talk about stupid unpredictable win-cons for a mid-range token deck. This is one.
That about wraps up Instants, now Sorceries.
Divine Reckoning - Protects your general, but still clears the board.
Hallowed Burial - For those mf'ers that don't die.
Austere Command - A very utility board wipe.
Lastly add in a Land Tax
2 months ago
Yeah, your list looks great. Seems a little light on interaction but that might be inevitable considering how many dinos you need to run and the ramp spells to support them. Rite of Passage is some sick Enrage tech!! Crush Contraband is a great new card. Glad you included Runic Armasaur --seems awesome. I count twelve ramp and discount cards and that's probably where you want to be! It's a lot but dinos.
I know your slots are tight but here are some cards worth putting in the memory banks/maybeboard.
Duelist's Heritage is half-price since the reprint. Might be worth considering. Double triggers and no equip cost, after all. Small upside of being usable in political ways.
True Conviction would be castable for you if you're looking to upgrade later. The lifelink might be great since your strategy is a bit slow to start.
You might want to consider putting Swords to Plowshares and/or another instant-speed removal card for when Polyraptor and Marauding Raptor start to combo because without stopping the chain the game ends in a draw. Being 1 CMC is very attractive since you've likely cast a spell once the chain starts.
Kinjalli's Sunwing seems worthy of consideration. I now you're going for Enrage-tribal but the effect shouldn't be underestimated. Worth putting in the maybeboard IMO.
Where it me I'd include one more silver-bullet board wipe, like Planar Cleansing , Cleansing Nova , Austere Command , or Hour of Revelation . If you're worried about your enchantments you could do Hallowed Burial or Descend upon the Sinful .
Since you're running so few artifacts it might be fun to include some hosers like Stony Silence , Creeping Corrosion and Shatterstorm (my favs), or Fracturing Gust . Pulverize is on-flavor! By Force and Vandalblast are good too. There are tons of other great interaction cards but with so few slots and with all your ramp you may as well go for the big ones. Purify is good but you may want to keep your enchantments around. Seeds of Innocence is a funny one. Collector Ouphe is good but it's not a dino and it'll probably get killed by your Enrage stuff. Rampage of the Clans is a fun new one. Slight flavor fail though.
Wear / Tear , Ancient Grudge , Destructive Revelry , Hull Breach , Nature's Claim , Unravel the Aether , Deglamer , Dust to Dust , Return to Dust , and Ray of Distortion are solid in case you need something
3 months ago
Hmm looking through your decklist, I feel like you could profit from some more early ramp, and from cutting some win more cards. I like the inclusion of Armageddon etc, however Ghaji just feels like you don't really need him.
I would cut Avacyn, Angel of Hope , Child of Alara , Gahiji, Honored One , Sliver Queen , Terminus , Hallowed Burial , Merciless Eviction , Pillar of Origins , Herald's Horn , Door of Destinies , Darksteel Forge , Call to the Kindred .
Instead I would Play Nature's Lore , Three Visits , Search for Tomorrow , Skyshroud Claim , Vampiric Tutor , Fellwar Stone , Fact or Fiction , Intruder Alarm , Living Death , Patriarch's Bidding , Teferi's Protection , Mana Drain
3 months ago
As for enabling your frostwaker there is Fyndhorn Brownie , Magewright's Stone , Niblis of the Breath , Puppeteer , and Puppet Strings . some of those are bound to be inexpensive, and adding in a handful of boardwipes and enablers for that strategy would lend itself to doing that strategy more often.
3 months ago
Interesting changes. In my experience with the new set, Teferi, Time Raveler makes it easy for opponents to combo off since only you can interact with them. Maybe you don't have to deal with infinite combos in your meta?
Have you considered 2 mana land tutors like Farseek , Nature's Lore , Three Visits , etc. instead of some of your artifacts? Tezzeret can untap artifacts which is nice but I prefer the consistency of land ramp.
Why Black Sun's Zenith over something simple like Damnation or Austere Command ? Does the indestructibility come into play? In that case I'd go with Hallowed Burial or Descend upon the Sinful unless you really want that shuffle effect.
Liliana, Dreadhorde General is great and has won me multiple games with her ult.
3 months ago
Rise of the Dark Realms is three more mana tho, and now and then Command the Dreadhorde can pick one or two planeswalkers which is great value. And since you can not always win inmediately the turn you use either of those, Command the Dreadhorde makes easier for you to leave some mana open for interaction if needed.
With this strategy, Im not so sure about running Merciless Eviction or Hallowed Burial since you want to use Command or Rise after a boardwipe. Merciless is probably still worth just for the flexibility, but Austere Command is probably enough for that matter.
5 months ago
In EDH, when a player with a blue source and at least mana in other sources open on a field. It is a threat. It is a threat not because of a 7 mana spell, but a 2 mana spell, not a spell that deals damage, counters spell, destroys permanents, tutors, or cheats costs, but a bounce spell.
Cyclonic Rift , C-Rift, the big wave, whatever you call it, people know it as one of the strongest, most backbreaking spells in all of EDH, if not the best card in the format.
I am here to say that is isn't.
Part of my series on why other popular staples aren't good ( Phyrexian Arena , Rampant Growth ), or are simply not good in a specific way ( Rhystic Study ), I am not here to deny the power that a card like Cyclonic Rift has, but simply that it isn't a good enough card to warrant the hate or love that it receives.
Before I go over why it isn't good, I need to go over why at nearly every power level, it is good.
In casual EDH, the 50% or less, the Precons, the jank, lies it's the weakest state.
That is where all removal spells, sweepers, or countermagic is the weakest, especially bounce. If no one has threatening boards, why remove them. You'd rather spend 7 mana on a spell to improve yours most of the time, yet those games go long, the Cyclonic Rift acts as a Fog to save you, Sleep to get in for damage, or real removal if you use it on a player's end step if they have to discard just after.
Almost all cards that show heavy play at higher levels show some play at lower ones, and while the price-tag may limit it for most casual players, it does work.
At the 75% or the middle tiers of EDH, where I think EDH players mostly lie, it where it is the most powerful. IF it destroyed any number of target nonland permanents, it would be weaker, because of three reasons:
75% decks often use permanent-based engines to support their gameplan. Think Beast Whisperer along with a deck full of cheap elves, or Paradox Engine in a deck will a lot of Temple Bell effects and mana rocks.
These decks and their creators often expect opponents to remove threats, so have many threats to remove.
They try to protect against sweepers, the only punishing cards for going so wide, with anti-sweepers, think Heroic Intervention , or Boros Charm , and protect against some single-target removal with effects like Darksteel Plate .
Because of this, and because indestructible and hexproof don't protect against a mass bounce effect, along with Cyclonic Rift being the only mass bounce at instant speed that doesn't affect you at all, and doesn't target, it is truly the best anti-75% sweeper by many standards.
In the competitive setting, while not bad, it is mostly relegated to being a 2 mana Chain of Vapor or a Into the Roil that doesn't draw a card, that can let a combo deck get through stax locks once in a blue moon.
Don't get me wrong, being relegated to a slightly worse Chain of Vapor isn't an insult. Chain of Vapor is possible the best removal in cEDH, as decks like Kess consultation or P-Hulk variants Laboratory Maniac wins, and for 1 blue mana, or two in the case of Cyclonic Rift , you get to bounce their wincon as they draw off an empty deck, so they lose...
That is some powerful stuff.
So why isn't it the best EDH card, an efficient spell in nearly any metagame? 2 options for removal, one that crushes many lists and the other a sleek and useful trick?
Because it isn't hyper-efficient, nor is it unbeatable, nor is it irreplaceable.
To start, many cEDH decks that run it run consistent amounts of countermagic to protect it's possible great effect, and numerous cards could fit the spot. It isn't alone. Blink of an Eye , the second Into the Roil has been used over it in many combo lists that more mana-efficient options and many forget the slot all-together, in favor of a cantrip or other removal spell like Abrade or whatever. It isn't very dominant there, and so is easy to explain why it wouldn't be amazing there.
In casual lists, Cyclonic Rift costs about as much as half of many of the casual decks, or even more than some entire casual decks that I have seen. Bringing money-cards wins there, as would a Consecrated Sphinx that costs less money, and I'd wager would have more powerful an effect. Again, an easy argument, but I believe it works.
The really hard place to argue against Cyclonic Rift on the surface is the middle tiers. The 75% lists. Legitimately, I think it is because in the 75% players don't consistently a highly interactive 'metagame'. They just prefer to be interactive 'ingame'.
This comes down to theory, however, when a deck, for example, an elf list abusing the Llanowar Elves style effects along with untap effects to keep making mana, dumping it into something like Ezuri, Renegade Leader . All of that deck and many others get shut down by Null Rod . While that card may be less powerful than other cards against any random deck, as many players know exactly what decks they face, they can play to those decks.
This means general removal, like Anguished Unmaking may be worse if artifacts and walkers don't see much play, you'd rather Mortify . Or if instant speed doesn't help you much, as a lot of City of Solitude / Dosan the Falling Leaf effects exist in your meta, Vindicate , etc.
This is pretty basic knowledge, however, the point here is that there are many, many replacements for Cyclonic Rift in different metagames, and I want to share the ones, only in mono-blue, that in the 75% are why Cyclonic Rift is overrated.
This isn't to say it isn't the best, but that if many, many replacements cost way less $$$ and are occasionally better, that one card shouldn't be considered the best in every situation.
Aether Gale , sorcery, only hits six things, has to hit your things if you don't have enough targets of only your opponents, targets, etc. Yes, there are reasons this is clearly worse.
Why is it better? Politically, you don't have to hit cards from players you team with. Similarly, if you like the Howling Mine on someone's field, don't bounce it. Someone Banishing Light ed someone else's threat you can't deal with? Don't bounce it.
Also, 18 cents. Compared to ~20 dollars and I think it is a steal for budget lists.
Also, it is 2 mana cheaper, despite not being an occasional Disperse .
Evacuation , the downside is simple, it doesn't hit non-creatures, and bounces your own things.
The upsides are for decks that want their own things bounced. ETB effects like Mulldrifter (You can respond to the sacrifice on evoke if you want!), Archaeomancer (infinite sweepers by returning Evacuation , or just recur another card), Duplicant , Solemn Simulacrum , etc.
It is 5 mana too, still an instant, and is only 2-3 dollars right now.
Other options for this could be AEtherize , Whelming Wave , Inundate , Engulf the Shore , Profaner of the Dead , or Scourge of Fleets if you just want mass creature bounce, each with ups and downs, some that only hit opposing creatures, some that are instants, some with graveyard synergies, etc.
For mass nonland bounce that doesn't target? There are tons of options, plenty with lower mana costs than Cyclonic Rift .
Take Coastal Breach . It does a mass bounce for just 4 mana (with 3 opponents), leaving you enough to rebuild first, and being able to be cast much faster, making up slightly for the sorcery speed.
Or Crush of Tentacles , 6 mana? 5 mana and an 8/8, it needs to be in a deck with enough cheap drops to hit surge to be worth it, but an option.
Devastation Tide is a personal favorite, if you run Aminatou, Brainstorm , a lot of scry, Mystical Tutor , Long-Term Plans , Jace, the Mind Sculptor , or are lucky, it is a 2 mana bounce everything. Really strong, however, sorcery (unless you cast it with Miracle on an opponents turn.
Run really high mana cards? Displacement Wave can be better,
Like a big creature attached? Kederekt Leviathan . It even comboes with flicker effects, or can be repeated for 2 mana with an effect like Animate Dead or 3 mana at instant speed whenever with Necromancy in black/blue.
Only need to target one player for political reasons? River's Rebuke .
A lot of one color in the meta? Wash Out
Artifacts/Enchantments? Reduce to Dreams
Even outside of bounce effects, Ixidron can do work xD
Point is, there are options. Even outside of blue, sweepers that can get around the normal protection is seriously strong. Terminus , Hallowed Burial , along with most mass exile effects in white from Play of the Game to Final Judgement / Descend upon the Sinful to the new Urza's Ruinous Blast , etc. Mercilous Eviction in W/B, the -x/-x effects in black like Toxic Deluge or Black Sun's Zenith , etc. in any color, Perilous Vault exists.
These are half of why I think Cyclonic Rift is overrated. Not because it isn't great at what it does, but that it isn't that much better than the rest.
The other half is simple.
Every color (sorry colorless) has answers to Cyclonic Rift off the top of my head.
Black? Many lists abuse cards like Inquisition of Kozilek or other discard to remove powerful cards from opposing decks.
Green? Ugh... Yeah, I guess some colors don't have answers...
(Gutteral Response if they ever make hybrid legal in mono-colored xD)
That's all. Thoughts?
Hallowed Burial occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%