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Rules Q&A
Double Major
Instant
Copy target creature spell you control, except it isn't legendary if the spell is legendary. (A copy of a creature spell becomes a token.)
GregariousG on You Wouldn't Download A Spell | *Primer*
2 months ago
To Lastline77,
I’ve never liked the look of tags in my posted lists. I just use a separate Word document to making categories for ramp, draw, interaction, etc. That’s just easier for me. For me, deckbuilding is just as entertaining as playing. I really enjoy making a concept, playing it, and moving pieces around. I started a long time ago so I’ve gotten better, hopefully. After building , playing, and tweeking, I can just know what each piece is supposed to do and whether it is effective or not. I can walk you through my thought process for this Ivy build. When I saw Ivy, I knew off the jump that she would make a good tempo commander because of her low cost and copying ability. Because this was going to be Simic Tempo, I need a low curve. Thus, most of my cards should sit between and and very few high cost cards. If you look through my editing history, you can see the few amount of high end creatures and spells were continuously cut. As well, tempo decks want to draw a lot of cards. Because of that, I stacked the deck with Combat Research-effects and looked for new ones with each set. The ETB draw enchants are also good, which is why there are so many. At first, I had the stereotypical ramp package, with mana dorks and land fetches like Cultivate. However, I noticed that drawing cards is just as good as some of the classic ramp spells. For example, Enter the Unknown is probably one of the best ramp pieces in this deck. The ability to have an extra land drop per target for just . is busted. Thus, there is no point to have Three Visits when I can drop two or more additional lands. As well, ramp that copies, like Migratory Greathorn is just better than Three Visits because it can be copied. Besides card draw, this deck needs all of the interactions, aka counterspells and protection. This is one of the reasons why there is so much draw; this deck needs interaction. I always want a counter or protection in my hand. Two reasons. First, a tempo deck that gets interacted with early generally doesn’t do anything for the rest of the game. You want to control the pace as much as possible. Second, Ivy tempo is a major problem once it gets going and people will notice. That’s when the removal and the board wipes start to fly. However, this is Ivy tempo. With overwhelming card draw and interaction, you probably won’t care what the opponent is doing. Opponent going to Farewell the board. That’s great because you have Slip Out the Back to phase out or just a counter. However, you need that card advantage. As for switching out cards, this comes best through playing testing. For example, Double Major is in 50% of the 8,378 Ivy decks recorded by EDHREC. As of a few days ago, my deck was included in that number. However, Double Major has always been on the chopping block. Great on paper, awkward in play. This might not be true for others, but Double Major was rarely worth it. There are easier and more curve-friendly ways to get copies of Ivy. This was a long rant but I hope it kinda helped.
joni1707x on Merfolks Counting
1 year ago
Rasaru Thank you for commenting and giving me some advice. I really appreciate this!
For my budget, I would like to include some cards that cost about 10€ each, in total I would say I can afford about 100€ +/-20 (the lesser the better).
After testing the Deck for my own, I agree that my manabase needs some fixes. I ordered some cards to upgrade this a bit (see below).
As I am trying to put as many counters on my board as possible, I feel, that the creatures that do not create tokens like Kumena's Speaker, could be excluded?
I got some pending deliveries. Here are the cards that I bought to upgrade it:
Lord of Atlantis, Master of the Pearl Trident, Snakeskin Veil, Realmwalker, Double Major, Forced Adaptation, Kiora, Master of the Depths, Deeproot Champion, Merfolk Skydiver, Primal Empathy, Vastwood Fortification Flip, Oversimplify, Tangled Islet, Flooded Grove, Rejuvenating Springs, Utopia Sprawl, Dreamroot Cascade, Talisman of Curiosity, Simic Signet, Hadana's Climb Flip, Barkchannel Pathway Flip, Svyelun of Sea and Sky, Windswept Heath
I am not sure what to exclude and what to include.. (fyi I am playing for half a year, Thank you in advance!
Gidgetimer on Interaction between Araumi of the …
1 year ago
Encore creates tokens, what you are wanting to do with Mirkwood Bats works. I shouldn't have mentioned anything about when a token ETB isn't creating a token, but sometimes I worry about stuff outside the scope of questions.
If you cast a creature and then cast Double Major (as an example) on it, a copy of the creature spell is created on the stack. When the copy of the spell resolves it becomes a token permanent since there is no card representing the spell. However; for things that care about creating tokens, the token that the copy becomes was not "created".
Gidgetimer on Mutate, Mutate, Mutate, Mutate
1 year ago
When you loop Vadrok, Apex of Thunder via Double Major you only cast a creature with mutate once. The copies made with Double Major are created on the stack and are not cast. Having Pollywog Symbiote on the battlefield allows you to have the non-creature spell card in your hand or on top of your library in addition to already being in the graveyard. However; it does not allow you to loot through your deck.
G1ngr on Mutate, Mutate, Mutate, Mutate
1 year ago
Ooooohhhh also, thank you for explaining the mechanism of the Vadrok, Apex of Thunder Double Major interaction. I was completely lost on the order of operations in it! I do think my selections of instants are slightly silly given the mechanism involved in the combo, also wouldn't Pollywog Symbiote let you do this combo without needing to have played any instants earlier? If it's on the board while this combo happens it makes you draw + discard infinite cards?
G1ngr on Mutate, Mutate, Mutate, Mutate
1 year ago
Thank you guys for the suggestions! One note on the Migratory Greathorn combo, I was being a lil silly, and said that Double Major was important to it. It's not. You just need to play a Pollywog Symbiote turn 2 or three and have either a Migratory Greathorn and Double Major in hand, or just 2 Migratory Greathorn in hand. Obviously turn 3/4 isn't the fastest ramp ever, but in total it is 3 mutate triggers and any new mutate will add 2 more triggers on top of that, letting you functionally play 3 lands every turn. However this is a terrible combo with the way the deck is built right now. I will edit the quantity of basic lands and Migratory Greathorn in a lil while. I gotta go to school rn tho.
Gidgetimer on Mutate, Mutate, Mutate, Mutate
1 year ago
On the subject of Vadrok + Double major, it does give infinite mutate triggers (assuming you have a non-human creature on the battlefield). With any of the non-creature cards not named Double Major in the graveyard it gives infinite damage.
- Cast Vadrok, Apex of Thunder via mutate targeting the non-human.
- Cast Double Major targeting Vadrok
- Double Major resolves making a copy of the Vadrok spell targeting the non-human and going to the graveyard.
- Copy Vadrok resolves giving mutate triggers.
- Steps 2-4 ad infinitum. You now will get multiple copies of Vadrok's mutate trigger and can cast the other non-creature spell between double major casts.
The way each other non-creature spell gives infinite damage is:
- Igneous Inspiration and Prismari Command deal damage.
- Solve the Equation fetches Prismari Command. Brings the mana needed up to 9.
- Field Trip learns getting Start from Scratch out of the sideboard. Then learns on the next loop allowing you to discard Start from Scratch.
The combo isn't really competitive Modern viable. But the tags say this is a casual deck, so it is a fun interaction.
wallisface on Mutate, Mutate, Mutate, Mutate
1 year ago
G1ngr if you're planning to Double Major Migratory Greathorn, you still need 5 mana to do so, which isn't really achievable for you until turn 4 at the earliest realistically (your odds of reaching either 3-lands and 2-rampers, or 4-lands and 1-ramper by this turn are still kinda low). That's already too slow. Keep in mind that if you cast Migratory Greathorn and Double Major it, it only gives you 3 lands - which is a lot, but also not great considering the large amount of effort and mana its costing you to have this effect.
The big issue with Double Major is that its just a lot of extra mana you need and your deck is already too highly mana costed to cast most of the cards normally. casting it on Auspicious starix involves needing 8 mana which isn't something I see you achieving realistically at all - and the payoff isn't particularly powerful considering the hoops you have to jump through to do it.
I have no idea how you're expecting to go infinite with Vadrok + Double major, and I also think maybe you're reading Double Major as doing something that it isn't. Can you give a fully-written example of what interactions you think are taking place here, because I'm getting the feeling you're doing some steps that shouldn't be happening.
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