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Simic Signet Discussion
1 week ago
Question: What would someone consider a "cEDH" deck to be? Would it be a deck that has won against a 4-player pod on turn 2 on three separate occasions and has the (slight) chance of winning on turn 1 if you get the correct hand - a hand which can be built two different ways?
Because if so, Kinnan, The Simic Domri is cEDH. When I play this deck, I very rarely lose. The notable times I do lose is when someone goes infinite or I have all three opponents hitting me with everything they've got.
I own about 1/2 of the deck in paper. Proxied the rest as I save and buy the pieces one at a time.
Now I say this because, as a non-cEDH player, it would seem to me that cEDH falls into the same issue as Modern, in which the format appears "solved" from the inside, but looking in from the outside it really isn't. When I play against cEDH decks in person or online, especially with my Kinnan deck, I notice that many of them rely on combos to win the game. These combos tend to be fragile and can have pieces removed.
The issue that I have noticed is that a cEDH deck functions in two major facets:
Very few run ample removal. So it isn't a triathlon to the finish line. It's more like a 100-meter dash and whomever kicks off first, wins.
The problem, as an outsider looking in, is that all it takes is one single well-timed removal and the entire setup falls apart.
That being said, on the topic of consistency, I feel almost as though your own argument resolves itself. If the deck is designed for consistency, then having a single MDFC means nothing as those lack consistency. Sure you may find the odd one out that actually does give you some minor consistency, but it's not like you are seeing functional reprints of Dark Ritual or something. None of the MDFCs even come remotely close to such a thing. And again, even if they did, I'm sure there's always better options.
I could see an MDFC tutor being an issue, sure. Where one side is a big creature or even threat removal and the other side is a tutor. That's pretty dangerous and I hope WOTC doesn't print something like that. But, until they do (and they will), I don't see the issue.
Again, I am by no means a cEDH player. I built one deck that has stood its ground extremely well and has won something stupid like 90% of the matches I've been in. Yes. I know it sounds insane but seriously, it's a power-house.
- You're not casting the creatures, so you can't be countered unless your opponent runs the very specific "counter target ability", which almost nobody does
- Your Commander costs . Commander tax is a non-issue.
- You don't need to rely on draw, since you rely on cheating off the top of the library
- We abuse the + mana by having an outrageous amount of non-land sources of mana in the deck
- By packing the deck full of clones, we can clone the biggest threats we have, such as Nyxbloom Ancient , Blightsteel Colossus and Terastodon
- The deck has an extreme density of removal on creatures, meaning we don't just get a body on the field, we also take out any set pieces we want
- On that topic and previous points, we get to literally take the best option of the top five. So we get to specifically hone in on what is the best possible play, at all times
- The deck has numerous combos built in, such as abusing Deadeye Navigator with something such as Meteor Golem or Thorn Mammoth
- One of my favorite combos, and the hardest one to pull off, is Woodfall Primus , Gigantoplasm and The Great Henge . You need Woodfall Primus out first, then you clone it with Gigantoplasm . After both of these are out, you bring into play The Great Henge . Now, what you do is pay into on Gigantoplasm . Giga dies as it becomes a 0/0. Since it was a copy of Woodfall Primus , it has Persist so it comes back into play with a -1/-1 counter on it. However, The Great Henge puts a +1/+1 counter on it and they cancel out. You have Gigantoplasm enter as a copy of Woodfall Primus again. You can now repeat this process an infinite number of times, destroying every single land, artifact and enchantment in play that you do not control. Now, no opponent can cast another spell for the rest of the game
- We have several ways to generate infinite mana, including ways to produce faux infinite mana with several copies of Nyxbloom Ancient
- You can use Basalt Monolith to generate infinite mana. Dump this into Cogwork Assembler to generate an infinite number of Simic Signet s or most other artifacts. Now, you have infinite colored mana. You can also use Grand Architect and Pili-Pala . There is also Basalt Monolith and Chromatic Orrery . I am also considering adding Prismat as another infinite colored mana combo as we can feed into it for either or . All of these options means we can effectively play our entire library that turn
- We can react in response for everything. Hold up mana and pass. If you know how to do it, you can put an activation on the stack and when the ETB of the creature goes on the stack, put another activation on the stack ahead of it
The deck is extremely brutal. I had to stop playing it. So...
But again, I am not a cEDH player. All I am saying is, from the outside looking in, cEDH decks run very differently from traditional casual EDH decks. I can see MDFCs making a decent splash in casual EDH decks, but not in cEDH. So, I don't really see the issue here.
I can see, perhaps one or two, being used in cEDH. But to suggest it breaks the format? No, not at all.
2 weeks ago
Ok so the changes i made are-
Out- Birds of Paradise , Manaweft Sliver , Leyline Prowler , Yavimaya Elder , Capricopian , Seedborn Muse , Chromatic Lantern , Darksteel Ingot , Replicating Ring , Gilded Lotus , Opulent Palace , Winged Temple of Orazca
I forgot i wanted Worldly tutor and Parallel Lives in the deck.
Check the new build/stats and gimme yer thoughts.
2 weeks ago
Seriously though, this looks sweet as hell. The infinite mana angle seems nasty, but not overly pushed, which should lead to good gameplay. Freed from the Real tends to be a surprisingly loud threat and my guess is that it's likely going to be a bit too greedy, especially considering you have fairly limited protection. Pemmin's Aura is good enough because the protection is built-in, and the added evasion will help you close some games. I've also found that cards like this tend to suffer quite a bit to the Chaos Orb s in our meta but YMMV.
The first thing that stood out to me was that you have significantly less interaction than you typically play, and I'd bet that it'll feel a bit uncomfortable having to be so selective with your answers. I'd recommend adding Windgrace's Judgment and Assassin's Trophy to improve your flexible removal, and some number of Erebos's Intervention , Battle at the Bridge , Profane Command , and Black Sun's Zenith to up your creature removal and creature count (Hydra tokens) at the same time. Also, these do really well against indestructible threats (cough Blightsteel Colossus + Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger cough) like gods and such.
You could probably also use another counterspell or two, but if you don't want to lean too hard that direction, that's understandable.
The second main thing I noticed is your mana ramp package—I'd look at it fairly critically and consider your goals. For example, I'd keep all creatures that tap for 2 or more mana ( Bloom Tender , Incubation Druid , Selvala, Heart of the Wilds ) as they give you more paths to going infinite. I'd cut the ones that only make 1 mana ( Birds of Paradise , Manaweft Sliver , Leyline Prowler ) as they tend to be a bit of a liability compared to land fetch spells and you aren't inherently taking advantage of the fact that they are creatures.
I'd also focus on the curve of your mana ramp. I think you should prioritize 2 cost spells like the three on-color signets, and the land fetch spells Nature's Lore , Farseek , Rampant Growth , and Sakura-Tribe Elder . Swapping these for your 3-5 cost mana ramp will give you more chances to cast Zaxara on turn 3 and get the ball rolling on both bigger mana and generating hydras. The way I see it, you could have a signet + Zaxara to use on turn 5 or spend that same turn casting a Gilded Lotus which is the same mana output but a turn slower. Basalt Monolith is the exception here as it goes infinite.
The final thing I'd encourage is to play more land. You really need to always hit Zaxara early for your deck to do it's thing, and maximizing your potential to consistently hit 4 mana on curve is going to pay dividends. At 34 I'd say you're 2-3 short of what I'd recommend for a mana-hungry deck like this, and you're actually at 33 right now because Winged Temple of Orazca starts as a Hadana's Climb Flip and likely shouldn't be counted as a land.
Here are the baseline swaps I'd recommend:
Out - Birds of Paradise - Manaweft Sliver - Leyline Prowler - Yavimaya Elder - Freed from the Real - Capricopian - Seedborn Muse - Chromatic Lantern - Darksteel Ingot - Replicating Ring - Gilded Lotus - Opulent Palace
In + 2 Forest + 1 Island + 1 Swamp + Farseek + Nature's Lore + Sakura-Tribe Elder + Golgari Signet + Simic Signet + Dimir Signet + Profane Command / Erebos's Intervention + Windgrace's Judgment / Assassin's Trophy
These aren't super exciting changes but they'll massively help your initial consistency. I'd play the deck a buch before deciding what swaps would be best beyond this.
Stoked to see the deck in action!
3 weeks ago
SWappING Opal Palace , Tainted Strike , Reaper of Sheoldred , Simic Signet , Necroskitter , and Commander's Sphere for Arcane Signet , Fellwar Stone , Fynn, the Fangbearer , Emergent Ultimatum , Grafted Exoskeleton , and Labyrinth of Skophos
3 weeks ago
Made a number of updates - 20 cards changed in total including commander (Roon removed in favor of Chulane):
Removed Roon of the Hidden Realm , 3x Island , 2x Forest , 2x Plains , Selesnya Signet , Simic Signet , Telling Time , Brainstorm , Ponder , Preordain , Foresee , Time Reversal , Terminus , Kiora, the Crashing Wave , Tamiyo, Field Researcher , Darksteel Ingot , and Terastodon
Added: Chulane, Teller of Tales , 2x Snow-Covered Island , 2x Snow-Covered Plains , 2x Snow-Covered Forest , Flooded Grove , Arcane Signet , Teferi's Ageless Insight , Tatyova, Benthic Druid , Ice-Fang Coatl , Reveillark , Prime Speaker Zannifar, Brago, King Eternal , Vesperlark , Glen Elendra Archmage , Seedborn Muse , Soulherder , Beast Whisperer , and Commander's Sphere
1 month ago
Oh goodness me this would be so much easier if you weren't good at deckbuilding
I guess copying Obscuring Haze doesn't do much, so that one can be cut probably.
In Search of Greatness isn't amazing, it's not bad by any stretch but it'd definitely not amazing. I'd kill it.
Again, this won't lower the amount of cards (TWLAC from here on), just improve the quality of them: your ramp's average CMC is too high. I know it's easy to think "Oh, these ones put more lands into play and are ergo better for my strategy of casting massive stuff", but in the long run cards like Farseek , Nature's Lore , Three Visits , Rampant Growth , Into the North , and the signets like Gruul Signet , Izzet Signet , and Simic Signet will do better by you.
Sorry I couldn't help cut very many cards, and I love the deck ;)
1 month ago
Hey, nice start on a budget.
Elemental Bond and Garruk's Packleader draw a card when each 3/3 Serpent is created. Maskwood Nexus has already been suggested and it can make cards that create tokens much better since then those tokens are Serpents. Nexus can also be repeatable protection for Koma for three mana to create a Changeling. Nadir Kraken creates tokens and cares about +1/+1 counters. Nadir + Bond + Koma can create a Tentacle and grow Nadir on each player's turn for one mana. Chord of Calling can get Packleader and Whir of Invention can get Nexus.
Koma is a Commander who you want to cast as fast as possible because of her ability to create a Serpent on each player's turn. For this reason ramp should be priority because even if you all you draw is ramp that's fine because you can use it to ramp into Koma. You have the right idea with Kinnan, consider expanding on nonland ramp that taps?
- Incubation Druid
- Devoted Druid
- Gyre Sage
- Kiora's Follower
- Kiora, Behemoth Beckoner
- Simic Signet
- Talisman of Curiosity
Incubation, Sage, Devoted care about +1/+1 counters to make more ramp. If you control a land that can make blue mana then Incubation can make blue mana making her the best option.
2 months ago
Okay that combo sounds spicy! I'd love to learn it so I can playtest against your deck sometime.
Combos in my Kinnan deck!
Firstly, it's very important to get an opening hand with multiple manarocks and one or two lands. You can usually drag out your turns and be unassuming if you even take a one-land hand, as all you need are 2 lands to win the game. Truth be told, you can win the game with 0 lands if you get a Mana Crypt or even if you junk a land for a Mox Diamond into a Sol Ring . Either way, your goal is to land Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy on turn 2 with lands, allowing you to tap your rock for 2x mana to play a second rock.
For example, I love opening with a fetch land into Rimewood Falls as it's the only land that is forced to enter tapped in my deck. Then I can play a basic, tutor out Breeding Pool and shock it, or tutor out a Tropical Island . Seriously, T1 Rimewood Falls is an amazing start for the deck.
But again, you can drag the deck out to turn 3, turn 5, even turn 7. If opponent's see you doing nothing and failing to produce anything, they generally lay off you. Either way, your goal is to get one or two rocks out before Kinnan.
For example, suppose you have a Forest and an Island in play and you were fortunate enough to land a turn 1 Sol Ring . Kinnan turns your Sol Ring into which you can now spend into a Simic Keyrune which now pays for an Arcane Signet with which you can now pass the turn. And now you've got 9 mana sitting on the field when you untap on turn 3. That's some serious power. That's how you ramp into the Skyclave Relic or The Great Henge or Thran Dynamo super quickly.
Regardless, onto combos!
Brutalizer Exarch is the unsung hero of the deck. He ETBs and tutors out to the top of the deck. You want to find Deadeye Navigator . Wheel Kinnan - more on that in a moment - and pop DN into play. Deadeye now Soulbonds with Brutalizer.
Blink Brutalizer. Tutor out Nyxbloom Ancient and wheel into play. You've now used 16 mana, but you can easily have 21+ mana in play so don't worry about this.
It is very, very important not to tap out. You never want to tap out with Kinnan. Only put 7 mana in at once. If you have 16 mana you can produce, only produce 7 of it.
It is also incredibly important to never, under any circumstances, dump all mana into Kinnan at once. If you do, you'll fail. If I have 21 mana, that's 3x activations. If I announce I'm putting three activations on the stack and he's hit with a Path to Exile , I am absolutely screwed for the turn. However, if I announce I am putting 1x activation in, my opponent may still respond for the Path to Exile but I can now say "In response, taps rocks I activate Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy "
Now, even if Kinnan dies or is exiled, I at least got SOMETHING. In my example above, what happens if I do happen to get lucky and wheel into a Deadeye Navigator ?
Soulbond to Kinnan and pay and now he's no longer the original target of Path to Exile . ;)
Regardless, we aren't here to protect Kinnan! We are here to win! In the way Simic does best! CHEATING!!
Okay, so Brutalizer Exarch is in play. You tutored Deadeye Navigator to the top. You wheeled and blinked Brutalizer to find Nyxbloom Ancient and wheeled again. Jesus man. So that's like 23 mana. But like I said, you can produce mana exceedingly easily.
Hopefully you have at least some sources left open. If not, pass and hope your state remains in tact. Usually it will as most players typically need time to find answers and do not readily have them available at all times during the game.
Assuming you can go off, tap what you can and wheel again. Remember that Nyxbloom Ancient gives you 3x the mana, and Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy adds +1 of whatever type you produced to your pool. So if you tap a single Simic Cluestone for , you now produce 4x . So leaving open just 1 source of and one source of is usually enough for at least 1x wheel at this point. If you have several sources open, you're golden.
You need to stack your mana now. If you are tight on mana, wheel and prey to the Lords of Chaos that you get one of your 11 Clone creatures. Oh yes. Eleven. If not, blink Brutalizer Exarch and cheat one into play.
Progenitor Mimic is great and flashy, Mercurial Pretender is amazing to constantly blink in and out by himself, Vesuvan Shapeshifter is wonderful for upkeep changes, Vizier of Many Faces is perfect as he can be cast from the graveyard.
Copy Nyxbloom Ancient and enjoy adding 10x mana for each rock.
So where's this combo? Well this is the setup for the outrageous mana production you want to achieve. I try to get 3x Nyxbloom Ancient s in play, which yields 27x mana for lands and 28x mana for rocks thanks to Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy 's +1 ability. Oh, and a playset yields 81 - 82 mana ;) A single Mana Crypt gives you now 162 mana at this point... So yeah...
Okay, so where the hell is this combo??
Glad you asked.
Got your absurd mana production online? Good. Let's begin.
- Brutalizer Exarch
- Deadeye Navigator blinks it
- Tutor Woodfall Primus to the top
- Woodfall Primus lands
- Destroy ;) noncreature ;) permanent
- Blink Deadeye Navigator
- Soulbond to Woodfall Primus
- Blink Primus and destroy every single land, artifact, enchantment and Planeswalker in play.
What if you have The Great Henge in hand, though? And you want to blow the boardstate up for free?
- Brutalizer, Navigator, Blink, Primus, Blink
- Tutor out Gigantoplasm
- Gigantoplasm copies Woodfall Primus
- Cast The Great Henge
- Pay into Gigantoplasm
- It becomes a 0/0 and dies
- PERSIST TRIGGER
- Comes back
- Copies Woodfall Primus
- -1/-1 counter :(
- The Great Henge is super effective!
- +1/+1 counter :)
- They cancel out
- Destroy noncreature permanent
- Repeat. Oh, don't forget to draw your cards ;)
Alright alright, what about creatures though??
- Brutalizer, Deadeye, blink, Meteor Golem , wheel
- Blink Deadeye Navigator
- Soulbond to Meteor Golem
- Oops no creatures
Ooh, spicy. Any more?
- Brutalizer, Deadeye, blink, Amphin Mutineer , wheel
- Amphin enters, exiles a creature and Soulbonds to Deadeye Navigator
- Soulbond to Amphin Mutineer
- Exile everything
Wait but they get 4/3 Sala---
- Blink Deadeye Navigator
- Soulbond to Brutalizer Exarch
- Blink Brutalizer
- Tutor Thorn Mammoth
- Soulbond to Mammoth
- Thorn Mammoth fights a 4/3 Salamander and wins
- Blink Thorn Mammoth to reset the damage marked on him. Wipe the Salamanders off the face of the planet.
Fine, but how do you plan on winning?
- Brutalizer, Deadeye, blink, tutor Craterhoof Behemoth , End-Raze Forerunners or Earthshaker Giant
- Shenanigans ensue
- Big bois are the biggest of bois
- Swing for lolololethalololol
Alright but what if your creatures don't have haste so you can't swing in this turn?
- Janky combo-mombo stuff
- Blink Brutalizer and find yourself some clones, then start blinking the the clones or original copies of Craterhoof Behemoth and / or End-Raze Forerunners . They have haste, so they can swing the same turn. Be sure to choose who you are blinking and keep it steady. If you are blinking your Spark Double , keep doing so, so that your Craterhoof Behemoth doesn't reset after being an 168/168 or something. Make sure you have several copies in play that you are building up so you can take down all opponents in one swing.
It got a turn 2 win by getting Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy out super early thanks to a Mana Crypt and a Tropical Island which got me a Arcane Signet or something. Next turn I was able to pay for Basalt Monolith which goes infinite as it taps for but requires only to untap. So I am +1 each activation.
Spent 7x on a Chromatic Orrery which now means I produce infinite mana of any color, meaning I can wheel an infinite number of times. If I didn't like what I got (Such as a Craterhoof Behemoth too early), I can elect to not bring him out since it's a MAY ability.
And bingo-bango-bongo I won the game on turn 2.
As for Kinnan, Bonder Prodigy , his ability can be a bit costly. That's why we run Biomancer's Familiar to get his ability from down to down to down to and eventually down to just if you'd like, but I personally find this to be too much. Stopping at is wonderful as it saves a Clone and also gives you use for mana. Otherwise that mana is worthless.
So yeah, that's the deck in a nutshell. :D!
And at no point do you even need Nyxbloom Ancient . It's more of a wincon if you want to go out flashy. Typically you win by good old-fashioned overrunning with trample and bodies.
It's surprisingly politics-heavy, as you can make deals to not blow their stuff up in exchange for protection from attacks or whatever. Like I can say that I'll take out a problematic Rhystic Study or Smothering Tithe by blinking or wheeling a Reclamation Sage , but I don't want to be attacked for a turn.
Stuff like that.