Deathbringer Liege

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Penny Dreadful Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vintage Legal

Deathbringer Liege

Creature — Horror

Other white creatures you control get +1/+1.

Other black creatures you control get +1/+1.

Whenever you cast a white spell, you may tap target creature.

Whenever you cast a black spell, you may destroy target creature if it's tapped.

DemonDragonJ on Light and Shadow

2 weeks ago

I have replaced Nighthawk Scavenger with Verrak, Warped Sengir; I understand that this deck does not contain any cards that use payment of life as a cost, but he better synergies with Deathbringer Liege than did the scavenger and he also provides a legendary creature to serve as the face card of this deck.

multimedia on Liesa, Liesa, they so flying...

5 months ago

Hey, you're welcome. Nice, those are good changes to make :)

Think bigger when it comes to your gameplan and card quality? Gideon's Avenger and Vampire Scrivener are low power level creatures who need other cards to make them good and to fit with the deck's strategy. Their game impact is very low. Vampire Scrivener being a five drop 2/2 flier is worse because it doesn't do anything for five mana. Which is not good when you have other five drops like Liesa, Stinging Study, Liesa, Forgotten Archangel, casting + equipping Sword of Feast and Famine, etc. can impact the game for five mana right away.

Your best attacker and life gaining is Liesa since she has flying, lifelink and she's your Commander meaning she does Commander damage. If you need a blocker then give Liesa vigilance which is what Loyal Unicorn does and it's a good card to keep for this reason. I don't think attacking with lots of creatures or building creatures to be attackers should be your game plan here. Liesa as attacker yes, but instead the creatures you play should support the life gaining strategy for value, draw, protect Liesa, make Liesa a better attacker, be sacrificed to keep Leisa alive, etc. Creatures with lifelink are preferred since if they get to attack they might gain life, but think of that as a bonus.

Liesa, Forgotten Archangel is your second best attacker/life gaining and her other abilities are excellent. Markov Purifier is a good example of a quality budget support creature with Liesa since he can be repeatable draw and if you get to attack with him then he might gain life, but you really play him because of his repeatable draw not because he may do combat damage to gain life.


You have a lot of budget filler creatures here who you don't need to play because they aren't helping gameplay enough to take up a deck spot. As a lesson in Commander deck building try to limit to only quality creatures here. This is not about adding/upgrading creatures, except a few that are in the precon, but instead about choosing only the quality creatures you're currently playing.

What we are looking for in creatures is how they interact or support with the deck strategy. If they're good enough support keep them, but if not then cut them. Even budget filler creatures such as Infantry Veteran can be quality, Veteran is not quality.

This list I've made below is not a knock on your deck building, you're using cards you have available to you, that's great and everyone has this same start. This advice is to how to improve the cards that you play to fill in the rest of the deck spots to have a full deck. Filler cards can also be quality, but you first have to know which cards are not as good as others so that you can improve them within budget.

I have reduced the creature base down to 11 of the quality creatures your currently playing. We are looking for good impact from creatures to make when they are played the first turn which means they have some kind of helpful abilities. Less high end creatures because both Liesa are your best high end creatures who are five drops.

If you're still interested I can continue with advice in another comment. Shall I continue?

sad_2980 on Zurdur

1 year ago

Love the deck! I have a few suggestions for cards that could be cut and some suggestions for what might replace them. I tried the keep the suggested cards reasonably priced. I have a few of them in my binder that I will give you next time we play.

Suggested removal - Most of these cards I figured could be easily upgraded with cards that add more value, utility, stax, or interaction:

Suggested additions:

Housegheist on Death and wine

1 year ago

Masterful

Thank you for your thoughts.

I have thought about Stoneforge Mystic but it isn’t in my collection yet and pretty expensive these days :D

The swords act like pet-cards. Equiping it on an expendable creature (e.g. an 1/1 Spirit with flying) gains some incidental value.

The same is true for the Deathbringer Liege. He pumps our team for a Plan B if we need lethal Dmg. He also can remove opponents threats; like a multitool.

I hadn’t had much issues with cmc yet but wanted to lower the curve a little bit. I thought to implement Dauthi Voidwalker, but don’t know really what to remove for it. First thoughts where Shadowspear, Grave Titan, Emeria's Call  Flip or Gray Merchant of Asphodel. Any thoughts or suggestions on this?

BR

Masterful on Death and wine

1 year ago

List looks good! You might want to try Stoneforge Mystic since you're running so much equipment. I play her just for Skullclamp, but you have more options. Do you ever run into problems with high CMC cards? I notice you're playing a lot of 5+ drops while having few early ramp spells. I also enjoy your unconventional inclusions like Deathbringer Liege and the two swords. Have they been successful so far?

bxli on

1 year ago

DemMeowsephs Yeah some prices have been going up like rockets, I guess there is more demand and people try to build more competitive decks.

  1. Teysa, Envoy of Ghosts is funny but yeah not really worth it in the deck.

  2. Keen Duelist is definitely a cheaper option that I will change eventually, it is too risky if you are playing vs high CMC decks.

  3. Gonti, Lord of Luxury is there just to slow/get information about the other decks, he have to go too yeah.

  4. Deathbringer Liege lets me tap and kill creatures everytime I make tokens with Felisa (Tokens are b/w) so I will leave it for now.

  5. Ashen Rider is not supposed to be casted at all but I combo her with Gift of Immortality so I can deny people. Also Gift works with Gray Merchant of Asphodel too.

I agree with the rest you just told me, specially with Coat of Arms , I will also change Blade of the Bloodchief for Sword of Truth and Justice

You are helping me a lot, I really appreciate it, If you prefer/want I can give you my discord user so we can talk through there anytime you want. Hope you have a nice day!

DemMeowsephs on

1 year ago

Glad to hear it! Yeah sheesh I didn't even realize it was that much I remember it being like fifteen bucks a little while back, that's kind of insane- but hmm. Oh holy crap the synergy with Teysa Karlov and Felisa is kind of crazy, just noticed that too. But here are some ones I would recommend cutting, though if they are fun/interesting to you or serve a purpose I missed, I could obviously be wrong:

Those are just some I see off the top of my head, if you look a little deep and really question how many times you play a card and utilize it, you might find some more! Sometimes its hard to cut a card you enjoy playing even if its fun so I'd recommend having a list of cards you can add for fun, and a list for effectiveness so you can play both sides! Hope this helps, I'm glad some suggestions are useful to you, and I'll let you know if I see any more possible cuts! Feel free to ask for any more assistance or if you have any questions I'd be glad to help.

TheVectornaut on Black and White - please help!

1 year ago

I'll go ahead and play devil's advocate here and suggest that orzhov humans is a great budget deck archetype that can be both aggressive and controlling at the same time. It also easily supports Grand Abolisher , Kambal, Consul of Allocation , and even Starfield Mystic if you have a critical mass of Oblivion Ring s, Pacifism s, and such. Champion of the Parish is a key card of the deck, as is Thalia's Lieutenant . After that, it depends on what kind of gameplan you want to build around. My take on orzhov humans, Assassination Squadron makes use of tappers like Gideon's Lawkeeper and Minister of Impediments to combo and destroy creatures with assassins like Royal Assassin and Gideon Jura . With access to the legacy card pool and a bigger budget, King's Assassin and Deathbringer Liege could be on the table too. Tribal support like Adaptive Automaton , Metallic Mimic , or Door of Destinies is nice, but it certainly isn't a requirement. (Fun fact: when I built this deck years ago, Lieutenant cost much more than the Door. Funny how things can change so drastically.)

Creating tokens tends to work well in this kind of deck because both human lords can buff and/or be buffed by them. Gather the Townsfolk and Thraben Doomsayer are the usual suspects, and I personally like Mentor of the Meek as a way to keep the hand topped off. If you want to go for a lifegain plan with Kambal at the helm, Vizkopa Guildmage is a budget Sanguine Bond on a stick. While certainly not budget, Serra Ascendant and Westvale Abbey  Flip can also work in such a build. Now that I think about it, a lot of soul sisters staples happen to be humans ( Auriok Champion , Martyr of Sands , Ranger of Eos , Soul's Attendant , Soul Warden , Speaker of the Heavens , etc.) Another idea is to focus on maximum destruction and exile. High Priest of Penance is a good way to make opponents think twice about their decisions in combat, and I've been having reasonable success with Mangara of Corondor as a sort of slow O-Ring that happens to trigger the lords. Humans are such a common tribe that there's no end to the number of directions you can steer them in if you really want to.

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