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Creature — Human Warrior
When Golgari Thug is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put target creature card from your graveyard on top of your library.
Dredge 4 (If you would draw a card, instead you may put exactly four cards from the top of your library into your graveyard. If you do, return this card from your graveyard to your hand. Otherwise, draw a card.)
1 month ago
Somehow I missed this commander during Kaldheim. I really like the idea of Orzhov spellslinger. Your build is solid.
Rumor Gatherer scry and card draw are useful to the strategy.
Golgari Thug the best black dredge card for the decks theme.
Silent Clearing more draw never hurts.
Silverquill Campus expensive scry but valuable to Orzhov.
Path of Ancestry pure value.
Imp's Mischief Izzet value in mono black.
Pull from Eternity potential secret tech. Something to ponder.
Vindicate to round out the playset of the best spot removal in the game.
2 months ago
Sun Titan is a good budget value creature for repeatable reanimation of permanents. Pair Titan with Apprentice Necromancer, but only on your turn because you have to attack with Titan. For only one the combo reanimates Titan with Necromancer, Titan reanimates Necromancer and attack with Titan because it has haste to reanimate any other 3 CMC or less permanent. Titan dies in combat or at your end step and repeat the combo on your next turn. With a sac outlet such as Viscera Seer you could repeatedly reanimate Eternal Witness to recur any card.
Golgari Thug is more dredge and it's only a two drop for sac fodder. It interacts well with draw spells that make you sac a creature to cast the spell: Deadly Dispute, Village Rites, etc. First draw the creature you put on top of your library from Thug die trigger and second draw replace it to dredge or vice versa.
3 months ago
Nice deck. Have you thought about dredge cards? I.e. Golgari Thug ?
4 months ago
seshiro_of_the_orochi: Okay, yeah I agree about the anti-synergy of The Cauldron. Probably not worth using since Reassembling Skeleton is such a nice synergy. I've decided to add Heartless Summoning as well now with how good it combos with the outlets.
8 months ago
Amulet of Vigor might be worth including since it works well alongside Scapeshift, Splendid Reclamation, Lotus Field, Mesmeric Orb, etc.
Others you might like are Bone Miser, Stone-Seeder Hierophant, Sakura-Tribe Scout, Burgeoning, Sylvan Scrying, Dread Return, Dryad Arbor, Deserted Temple, Golgari Grave-Troll, Stinkweed Imp, Golgari Thug, Kodama of the East Tree, Dark Ritual, Hickory Woodlot, Peat Bog
8 months ago
Hi again peterbdude! Welcome to Meren! She rocks. I thought I'd put some suggestions and general guidance from my many years of playing her. Thankfully you can play a powerful Meren deck on a budget, so I'll try to avoid any splashy options.
To begin with, I've found that the most important thing is to lean into cards with the dredge ability (which is rated a 10 on Mark Rosewater's storm scale), play lots of self-saccing low cmc creatures that can help you stack counters and recur for profit, and to play as few non-creature spells as possible. Non-creature spells don't feel as good as it's tough to recur them once they are dredged into your graveyard, and you can't as easily repeat them for value. The best card in my deck is one that might push your budget just a little but is so good is Life from the Loam. I did used to play without it and it works, but it is really nice and if there were one more valuable card I'd recommend for the deck its this one, it just makes games so smooth its hard to overstate it. The other power card in this deck is Living Death, which combined with Syr Konrad, the Grim and some creatures on everyone's board will often win games. Recurring it with Eternal Witness can also put your opponents in a nasty lock.
The biggest problem I see so far with your build is just that there aren't many ways to put things into your graveyard. Dredgers like Golgari Thug, Golgari Grave-Troll, Stinkweed Imp, and Dakmor Salvage are critical build pieces, and cards like Underrealm Lich and Hermit Druid help a lot too, though the latter is probably on the top end of your budget. On top of this, you want a lot more low cmc self-saccing creatures. You are playing Caustic Caterpillar, which is great, but you want a lot more of this. Dawntreader Elk is like an extra copy of Sakura-Tribe Elder and is great, and there are a lot more like it which you can see in my deck here- Recycling for Profit: Dedgin' the Fill with Meren.
I do think you have a lot of fun cards in your deck and one of the great things about Meren is that she can be customized a lot to suit your own personal approach. The danger of Meren is simply in not having a good engine set up where you always have great targets to sacrifice and bring back to the battlefield each turn, and that happens when we don't have cards that can sac themselves and we don't have ways to dump more cards into our yard, and that is what I would work on tuning here! A lot of times it is the boring things and not the splashy cards that make the difference!
8 months ago
Nice deck, definitely enjoy the more budget-friendly Kathril thing.
Reading through once, it feels like there isn't quite enough graveyard feed going on to get the engine going. If you don't draw Nyx Weaver or Splinterfreight you have next to nothing. Plenty of decent options that don't break the bank, especially certain dredge cards: Grisly Salvage, Shambling Shell, Darkblast, Golgari Thug, and Golgari Grave-Troll could all be easy slots.
9 months ago
If you're interested in cards I ended up using at somestage during my Crabvine-period, here's everything I ran at one time or another, and my thoughts on playing with the card:
- Gravecrawler: A must-have in the deck, though I found 3x was a better number to run than the full playset, as oftentimes you really only want this card to help you trigger Vengevine, and it normally doesn't do a lot else.
- Hedron Crab: Another must-have in the deck, provided you have the landbase to support it. Without fetchlands, I don't think this would be able to get through enough card-density to be quick enough (we want a turn 2-3 vengevine swing)
- Merfolk Secretkeeper: This felt both good and bad. Being able to mill with it immediately, and then save it for a Vengevine trigger later in the game felt pretty decent. Its also a decent blocker.
- Stitcher's Supplier: I think I always included a playset of this in the deck, though it was always easily the worst card in the deck. Without an easy sacrifice outlet, this is just a really weak mill effect that then sits around doing nothing. It needs to die to get full value.
- Lotleth Troll: I alternated between playing this card and not. Its one of my "pet cards" (alongside Skaab Ruinator) so I probably favored it too highly just from bias. But being able to pitch away all the cards that weren't meant to be cast did feel great, and I have had lots of games where this has steamrolled me out a win on its own... I'm just not sure its the best choice for an optimal build.
- Satyr Wayfinder: A weird choice, but one that's done well. It can usually guarantee you'll hit your 3rd land drop, and gels pretty well with Hedron Crab, as well as giving your good odds at a turn-3 Skaab Ruinator.
- Prized Amalgam & Vengevine: My understanding that a playset of both of these go into every Crabvine deck there is, so I don't think I need to discuss much here. They're the whole point of the deck.
- Bloodghast: I only added these to my deck really late into playing Crabvine, but they do put up some amazing results. They combo very well with a high-fetchland deck, running alongside Altar of Dementia, to keep swinging then killing themselves to fuel the engine further. Also, probably the most aggressive way to get Prized Amalgam out of the grave if Vengevine hasn't been found yet.
- Narcomoeba: I played these a little, and see a LOT of decks online playing them, but to be honest I don't see the hype. Very fragile, and can't come back when killed, i'm really not sold. But, again, having seen soo many decks online play them, they're probably worth considering.
- Skaab Ruinator: My second "Pet Card", I don't think you want to run more than 1-2 in the deck, but they definitely get good results. There are a few decks where if you resolve this, it's a free-win.
- Glimpse the Unthinkable: I started playing this late into my time with Crabvine, swapping it in, in place of the Stinkweed Imp/Golgari Thug package. There are games where you resolve this turn 2 and see all the perfect stuff hit your grave, and it becomes the most-free win you could ever hope for. But other times, you just mill yourself ten lands and non-recurable creatures, and wonder what you did to piss off the card-gods. I felt like when this card worked, it was amazing. But it also felt like there were too many times when it didn't work, and left me dead-in-the-water.
- Golgari Thug & Stinkweed Imp: Probably my favorite way to ensure the self-mill engine keeps pumping, I ran a playset of Imp, and 2-3 Thug for the majority of my time playing Crabvine - making my build sudo-dredge. Being able to reliably keep milling felt great - and it's a good reason to justify running Lotleth Troll.
- Creeping Chill: I'm torn on whether this card is useful or not. On one hand, being able to basically start the game at 32 life, while your opponent starts on 8, is a pretty good feeling. On the other, this doesn't help massively to help the boardstate, and there are a lot of games where its just not relevant (you can often swing for enough quite early that the extra bit of lifedrain didn't matter).
- Silversmote Ghoul: The only reason to run this would be alongside Creeping Chill. It does feel decent, but also can be clunky with the timings of when each respective card ends up in your grave (seeing a bunch of early-Chills can be scary, as it means these guys might not be able to see play). Personally I think Bloodghast is the better choice for the 3rd "creature to recur from the grave"
- Altar of Dementia: This actually works really well, though I wouldn't run more than 1-2 in the deck. There are a bunch of cards that just want to be in the graveyard and/or get themselves killed. Most notably Stitcher's Supplier. but also Bloodghast, Gravecrawler, and even Vengevine (assuming you can bring them back). This easily turns your attacks into very-wide landslide victories. 10/10 would recommend.
- Carrion Feeder: I think I only ran 1-2 of these, and honestly, I think its hard to justify over Altar of Dementia or Lotleth Troll. I think it does definitely have a use-case (it seems great with Gravecrawler), but it feels a little niche to me.
- Wonder: I only ever played one of these, in my sideboard. But it did seem very useful in some matches, particularly when it was hard to swing through the opponents creatures.