Creature — Human Warrior
When Golgari Thug is put into a graveyard from the battlefield, put target creature card from your graveyard on top of your library.
Dredge 4 (If you would draw a card, instead you may put exactly four cards from the top of your library into your graveyard. If you do, return this card from your graveyard to your hand. Otherwise, draw a card.)
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Golgari Thug Discussion
3 days ago
I like the new direction a lot! Feels a lot more competitive! Here are some thoughts on ways to improve:
If you ditch the Languish, then everything you cast costs 2 or less mana. That would let you go down to 20 lands, which I think will be important as your deck probably wants a very high density of spells.
Removing the above lands and spells will leave you with 5 free slots, which I think you should use to get some more creatures. I would personally be doing some 3-2 mix of Golgari Thug and Stinkweed Imp - both of these can quickly get Phage into the grave (just be aware that if Golgari Thug on the battlefield, you HAVE to put a creature card on top of your deck - this can sometimes be awkward, but is usually fine).
Mask of Memory is interesting, but not great as it requires you using you Dermotaxi on Stitcher's Supplier and then somehow getting through with damage on it. I would suggest running Smuggler's Copter instead of Mask of Memory, it gives you the same effect without requiring the equip cost, and has a much better time staying alive & dealing damage (while letting you discard towards your combo).
I don't think you need Negate, as you already have hand-disruption and killspells, you should be able to ensure your opponent can't be too annoying. I'd move Negate to your sideboard, and run Otherworldly Gaze instead, which can do a lot for setting you up for victory.
With the above suggestions you have awesome odds of getting Phage into the grave, and pretty decent odds of getting Dermotaxi into hand - but to increase those Dermotaxi odds slightly i'd suggest replacing 2 of your 20 lands with Buried Ruin. This will let you grab a taxi from the grave in a pinch, if the game has gone late and you really need one.
I think overall your sideboard should focus on counterspells and ways to avoid opponent hate. Between games you always want to leaving all your combo-finding pieces in, so the cards you'll be swapping in-and-out are the hand-disruption and killspells. In that vein you don't need additional killspells in the side. Dispel is a great sideboard card, as it will deal with most threats. Welding Jar could also be good for protecting the taxi. Annul is probably also a great sideboard card for dealing with any weird stuff your opponent might be up to.
1 month ago
Removed Army of the Damned
Added Living Death
2 months ago
this deck has alot of mill and ways to get stuff in the graveyard (although missing Golgari Grave-Troll and Golgari Thug) but then...what happens next? like you swing with a big creature(and no Splinterfright?)? not sure what the game plan is here unless you misread old rustein. Some payoffs for milling could be Syr Konrad, the Grim, Kessig Cagebreakers, Dread Return and other good flashback cards, Timeless Witness and Eternal Witness, Genesis and Brawn, Woe Strider, Mausoleum Secrets, Songs of the Damned, just more cards that do stuff in the graveyard or care about the graveyard to go with the mill plan. Living Death so good. Necrogoyf might work. Egon, God of Death Flip.
also whats the all the dumb discard in the maybeboard lmaoo
3 months ago
To be honest with you, the competitive meter here means almost nothing, I honestly dont know how it is calculated. haha. The strongest meren lists i have seen are Hermit Druid combo lists. how that combo works is like this (synopsis by SynergyBuild years ago, but still relevant because he is a badass) "Nah, by using the five color lands (City of Brass, Mana Confluence, Forbidden Orchard, Tarnished Citadel, Exotic Orchard, and Reflecting Pool), along with fetchlands, you can build up a fast (low to no tapped lands), consistent (at getting your colors), and no-basic landbase for Hermit Druid to deck you. Bring back Dregscape Zombie and Bloodghast, sacrifice them to Dread Return, bring back Necrotic Ooze, then use Wall of Roots's ability to activate Blighted Bat's, then make infinite mana between Devoted Druid and Channeler Initiate, then use Walking Ballista to instantly win the game!"
As a bonus, Ballista combos with Mikaeus as well, so you have some synergies between the two. Things like Entomb and Buried Alive will net you Hermit early so you can access him in a hurry. Some fast mana in the form of creatures and rituals, some nice interaction like you already have, and bringing the average manavalue of your deck down will help as well. You are already runnning Stitcher's Supplier which is my favorite bit of tech. Ramunap Excavator is another solid bit of tech I really like to combine with Azusa, Lost but Seeking to get all kinds of value. Blood Pet, Stinkweed Imp, and Golgari Thug are all good bits of tech for Meren. The Gitrog Monster is also surprisingly good for us. The card draw he can get us with a little bit of ssetup is nothing to be scoffed at. To be honest, the main issue i am having currently is finding solid self-mill options.
3 months ago
In general, I would reference a non-budget Dredge list (from MTGgoldfish or another website like it) when you make upgrades, since those lists contain all the cards you'll want to get in the exact configurations you'll need. However, the Dredge deck in particular requires large investments alongside certain cards (like sets of fetchlands with Life from the Loam) in order to make them work, which can be difficult to figure out on your own.
I'd recommend making smaller upgrades first; the $25 Mardu version I listed above (Dredge ($25)) adds some white tri-lands to the mana base for Thrilling Discovery, Smiting Helix, and sideboard cards. Any other upgrades you'll want to make are going to be really big investments, so it'll be good to have a solid but fairly inexpensive base to play with while you work towards the more expensive stuff.
Now, it's important to consider which particular variant of Dredge you want to build before you start investing: some decks splash white for Thrilling Discovery and Prismatic Ending, some go for the traditional Jund list, others are straight Mardu. As of right now the most successful Dredge decks are cutting white for 1 mana enablers like Merchant of the Vale and Burning Inquiry for more speed (since graveyard hate is very popular atm). I personally like the white splash, but you do you.
Once you've figured that out, the most important upgrades you'll need to make are to the mana base. Competitive Dredge is heavily reliant on land synergies with Bloodghast, Life from the Loam, and by association Conflagrate (which is usually casted from the graveyard for big X values after filling your hand with lands via Loam). Fetchlands are by far the most important cards to have if you want to go this route. Having a nice suite of lands will also help with casting costs, which is always an issue with budget mana bases.
Other than that, the only upgrade you can really make until you have the lands is adding 3 Ox of Agonas for 1 Haunted Dead and 2 Smiting Helix; it's not too expensive to do this, but it also happens to be better with fetchlands, as they help pay for Ox's escape cost.
For lands, you'll want 8 R/X fetches, 4-5 R/X Dual lands, a couple fastlands, 3ish five-color lands, and one or two basics (~19 lands total). My recommendation for a 4c (RBgw) list:
- 4 Bloodstained Mire
- 4 Wooded Foothills
- 2 Stomping Ground
- 2 Blood Crypt
- 1 Sacred Foundry
- 1 Copperline Gorge
- 3 Gemstone Mine or a split of Gemstone Mine and City of Brass/Mana Confluence
- 2 Mountain
- Note: you don't have to get green lands like Stomping Ground until you have Life from the Loam.
- +3 Ox of Agonas, -2 Smiting Helix, -1 Haunted Dead
- +3 Life from the Loam, -3 Silversmote Ghoul Must have fetchlands
- +1 Bloodghast, -1 Silversmote Ghoul Must have fetches and Loam
- +2 Conflagrate, -1 Darkblast, -1 Golgari Thug Must have Loam
Hope this helps!
6 months ago
I'm surprised artifact lands got printed, and I'm waiting for the MH2 lands to break, even with entering tapped.
Dredge is only a significant problem with a bug number; Shenanigans is basically a repeatable Shatter , since Dredge 1 isn't that threatening. The most used Dredge cards are Golgari Thug and Stinkweed Imp , which dredge 4 and 5, and Golgari Grave-Troll is banned in Modern. So this is a case of overbalancing.
There's a similar story with Storm: it's only a problem if it represents a win condition, like Brain Freeze , Tendrils of Agony , Grapeshot , or Empty the Warrens . I don't think too many games have been won or lost on Astral Steel or Reaping the Graves . It depends on the effect it goes with.
6 months ago
Thanks for the support! I'll try and take a look at your own list when I have the time if you want some suggestions there as well.
First, Shenanigans ! I had it in the list for a while as a stand in for Golgari Thug (who's pricey for an uncommon) and it performed...better as discard fodder than as artifact removal. Ingot Chewer does a lot for this deck and is much more abusable and cheaper to cast (9 times out of 10 you evoke it).
I essentially only have room for 3 expendable single-target removal slots after all the synergistic options like Shriekmaw . Between Baleful Mastery , Bedevil , Chaos Warp , Rakdos Charm , Vandalblast , By Force , and Shenanigans itself (for examples), I prize the exile effect and mana efficiency on Baleful Mastery first and foremost (if you're wheeling frequently with Magus of the Wheel or even Ruin Grinder a single draw is irrelevant), with Chaos Warp acting as another non-destruction removal piece that isn't restricted on what it can hit. All of that covers creature removal quite thoroughly, so I looked to dedicated artifact removal next.
I chose Vandalblast over any other targeted artifact removal due to the popularity of Osgir, the Reconstructor and Voltron-style Sword of X & Y equipment decks. A non-targeting wipe is significantly stronger against artifact decks like them vs. an incremental single-target destruction effect like Shenanigans. If you don't have a go-wide artifact deck like Osgir in your play environment, feel free to use Shenanigans over Vandalblast and reap some extra discard synergy in the meantime.
For Ilharg, the Raze-Boar I wanted a threat to work as an independent backup plan from the graveyard. The best response a graveyard deck can have against grave hate is to practice moderation, and Ilharg attacks on a similar angle to Sneak Attack without adding to the graveyard unnecessarily. The vast majority of ETB effects in the deck are valuable and worth repeating over and over again, while Ilharg itself is a hard-to-remove threat in its own right. If you are having trouble with needing creatures in hand to abuse, I would highly recommend Phyrexian Reclamation ...so much so that I wouldn't even suggest running Sneak or Ilharg without it!
And trust me when I say that sneaking in a Master of Cruelties off of Ilharg is a devious play that is guaranteed to turn heads and take names!
6 months ago
Hey, thanks for the speedy reply!
I played a The Gitrog Monster land dredge-type deck and "the big 3" dredge creatures Golgari Grave-Troll , Stinkweed Imp and Golgari Thug had put in amazing work in the deck. Usually we only ever dredged with them. I figured i'd ask as we have many draw effects here within the hogaak list and figured it would put in some good work! I am building this and making some slight modifications, notably I feel like Worm Harvest would put in MASSIVE work in the list. For recursion sake and synergy I feel like Desecrated Tomb is worthy of a main deck slot.
I digress, Thank you for sharing your thoughts and list! Much appreciated! I look forward to terrorizing the playgroup with this list ;)