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Whenever enchanted land is tapped for mana, its controller adds (Green) to his or her mana pool for each Elf in play.
Elvish Guidance Discussion
2 weeks ago
So, I happen to be very much in accord with RNR_Gaming in the feeling that one-mana mana-dorks will greatly improve this deck. In my experience, in a four player game, people will have a lot of other threats to worry about than mana-dorks; and if the deck is built well, with an appropriate amount of card-draw, it'll recover from a board wipe rather well. That being said, if you want to go the route of enchantment ramp, there're a bunch not in the deck that you should consider. Utopia Sprawl is a favorite of mine, especially if you pair it with an Arbor Elf . Wild Growth , Elvish Guidance and (in the right meta) Carpet of Flowers can all also produce but-tons of mana.
Part of the reason I, and I suspect RNR_Gaming suggest dorks is because, being green, you have access to a lot of creature ramp that can replace artifact ramp. If that is done, you can run cards like Collector Ouphe or Stony Silence ; in competitive metas, these two cards can often times change the course of a game more than any other card. I love artifact ramp dearly -- Kess, Dissident Mage as Storm is my favorite EDH deck -- but it is simply not as good as one mana, dork-based ramp that dodges artifact hate.
One more reason to run dorks, though this one may not really be in accord with the theme of your deck, is that they go very well with the two best win-conditions green has to offer: Craterhoof Behemoth (AKA 'Hoof Daddy') and Triumph of the Hordes . If you use something like Natural Order to slam a Craterhoof for four mana while you have a critical mass of dorks out, you can rather easily end the game right away. Similarly, Triumph of the Hordes can snipe out an Oloro, Ageless Ascetic player like few other cards; Blightsteel Colossus is the only better attacker I can think of.
Give some thought to Sneak Attack . If you have three or four dragons in hand, smacking someone with them for that much red mana may well be what you need. Lathliss, Dragon Queen and Utvara Hellkite will also gain extra value from the ETB/attack triggers. Ilharg, the Raze-Boar has a similar effect that is arguably better than Sneak Attack .
In my experience (perhaps your is different), Path to Exile is really bad in EDH. In general, ramping opponents as a side-effect of removal in a format filled with high-cost, high-payoff strategies is going to be actively dangerous. Sometimes, Path to Exile can be good for removing blockers; however, there are better ways to do this, such as Taunting Elf or even just Renegade Tactics , which has the added bonus of not costing you a card. Same goes for Settle the Wreckage .
If your meta has any blue decks, Veil of Summer is really, really, REALLY good.
Your land-count is very high. If you want to spew out lands, consider Exploration and/or Burgeoning . These can help you get out of the gate much faster than your opponents, and work especially well with your Karoo lands, like Gruul Turf .
Flameshadow Conjuring seems like a pretty busted way to squeeze extra value out of your dragons. Notably, if you populate before you sac the token, you get to keep the copy of the original token.
Finally, Sylvan Library is a hallmark of competitive green decks. This is, for the first few turns it's out, a free draw three effect; after that, its card-sorting abilities are what make it good.
Alright man, good luck! That's all I can think of for now.
3 weeks ago
Hey! Estrid is always fun. I have some suggestions -- feel free to ignore any/all of them, especially since budgets vary greatly:
One of the main advantages of playing green is its access to dork-generated mana. Without green, most decks need a huge amount of artifact-mana to achieve top speed; however, green dorks tend to be a mana cheaper. You should definitely pull Arbor Elf in from the sideboard, as with your Wild Growth he taps for two -- if you include Utopia Sprawl , there's a similar interaction. Same goes for Overgrowth and Elvish Guidance , though those are more than one mana and therefore slower. I highly suggest you include more of these one-mana ramp-creatures: Llanowar Elves , Noble Hierarch , Avacyn's Pilgrim , Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Birds of Paradise ... Bloom Tender is also REALLY powerful in three colors, though she isn't close to cheap. You can also use these to cut some lands; thirty nine is too many.
Vintage xerox cards are a good way to dig for what you need and past what you don't. Pretty much all blue decks in EDH should be running Ponder and Preordain , and if you have access to shuffle effects, like an Evolving Wilds , Terramorphic Expanse or Prismatic Vista , Brainstorm joins the pile. These one-mana cantrips will allow you to keep more borderline hands, as they will be very likely to find you what the hand may be missing.
You've got some great cards in your sideboard. Swords to Plowshares is the best spot removal in magic due to its absurd efficiency. Your deck could likely benefit from some control elements, and Counterspell and Dovin's Veto are a great start on this front. Argothian Enchantress is a very powerful draw engine -- I highly recommend you run her -- and Grasp of Fate is another highly efficient form of removal.
Speaking of counterspells, I think you'd benefit from two or three more counters than Bant Charm , Counterspell and Dovin's Veto . I suggest Delay , Swan Song , Dispel , Spell Snare , Spell Pierce , etc.
Mass card-draw is really good in EDH. Windfall is very powerful, especially if you take Narset, Parter of Veils off the sideboard and resolve Windfall . I suggest four to six draw spells. Some cards to think about: Treasure Cruise , Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time , Sylvan Library , Mystic Remora , Chemister's Insight , Frantic Search , Gush , Sphinx's Revelation , Archmage's Charm , Chart a Course .
Stony Silence is a powerhouse in EDH, especially if you run the aforementioned dorks and derive you mana from non-artifact sources. If you want to run a Green Sun's Zenith package, you can fetch Collector Ouphe . Obviously, Stony Silence is preferable, as it is an enchantment.
Season of Growth , from M20, seems like a good card. Making all your auras cantrip is a good thing-a-ma-jig.
3 weeks ago
So the main bonus of green in EDH is its access to mana dorks. Llanowar Elves , Elves of Deep Shadow and Orcish Lumberjack all belong in this deck, and you may want to find a place for Elvish Mystic , Priest of Titania , Fyndhorn Elves , Birds of Paradise , Deathrite Shaman , Arbor Elf and/or Bloom Tender . Note that Arbor Elf is especially powerful if you end up running cards like Wild Growth , Elvish Guidance and/or Wild Growth . Dorks will accelerate you early game and provide sac-fodder in the late game.
Faithless Looting is a really good source of card selection for one mana. You're probably going to want to run it, as it makes a lot of mediocre hands much more keepable.
Green Sun's Zenith is a great card to consider, especially since you're already running Dryad Arbor . If you cast Green Sun's Zenith turn one for X = 0, you can fetch Dryad Arbor right away. It's a good form of one mana ramp outside dorks and enchant-lands.
A lot of your dudes are gonna die in a sacrifice deck. In order to get card-advantage out of this, you should run Grim Haruspex , Midnight Reaper and/or Harvester of Souls . Unfortunately, these don't trigger with token-deaths, but they'll still help a lot. Deathreap Ritual is similarly powerful and triggers with token deaths, though it only triggers once a turn.
Speaking of card-draw, you have access to some good stuff there. Painful Truths is a three-mana draw-three I've been very impressed with, and Shamanic Revelation is also helpful. From a permanent-based point of view, Phyrexian Arena and Slate of Ancestry are the way to go.
A lot of your removal are one-for-ones (see Terminate , Hero's Downfall , Doom Blade , etc.). In general, I find one-for-ones are usually not very powerful in a format with three opponents, as you're facing three times as many cards as you have. Your Damnation is a great start; consider Toxic Deluge , Hull Breach , Decimate , Casualties of War , Windgrace's Judgment , Reckless Spite , By Force , Ancient Grudge , etc. I've found these to be more efficient, and therefore more powerful, than one-for-ones. Some one-for-ones, though, are so tough to counter or are so efficient as is that they're worth including: Nature's Claim and your Krosan Grip come to mind.
Runes of the Deus comes to mind as a good way to force through commander damage.
I've always liked Smallpox , both in general and in EDH. You might have luck with it in this deck; similar cards include Innocent Blood , Smokestack and the card Pox itself. If you choose to go the Smokestack route, Bitterblossom and/or Ophiomancer are worth considering. They might be worth considering anyways, though.
Spellbreaker Behemoth is an efficient creature that disrupts countermagic. Harsh Mentor , Pyrostatic Pillar , Eidolon of the Great Revel , Shattergang Brothers or Stranglehold are similar ways to punish opponents while having good cards on your side.
Finally, you should consider Overrun effects as secondary win-conditions. Using Natural Order to grab Craterhoof Behemoth while you have a wide board can easily win you the game; Green Sun's Zenith or Chord of Calling also do the job, though they're more expensive mana-wise and therefore worse. Triumph of the Hordes is a similar card that can snatch games, though it cannot be tutored as easily.
Ok! Good luck -- that's all I got.
3 weeks ago
So there're a lot of different directions you can take RG decks. I'll suggest some basic, universal additions first, and then suggest some win conditions:
The best part of green in EDH is the dorks. You should definitely run at least Llanowar Elves , but there're some other cards you should consider: Fyndhorn Elves , Elvish Mystic , Birds of Paradise , Arbor Elf , Shaman of Forgotten Ways , Somberwald Sage , Joraga Treespeaker ... If you end up having a lot of elves, running something like Priest of Titania is worth including. Depending on your meta, Carpet of Flowers can get a lot of mana. Finally, Orcish Lumberjack is a card I have been very impressed with... turning a forest into effectively a better Black Lotus is a good thing. (Note that Arbor Elf is especially good if it untaps lands enchanted with Utopia Sprawl , Elvish Guidance or Wild Growth ).
Red-green decks tend to poop out a lot of creatures and go lightly on the spells. Slate of Ancestry is an EXCELLENT way to recoup card advantage, provided you have a critical mass of creatures on the table. Commune with Lava is another excellent pseudo-card-draw thingy. If your games are usually four player games, Decimate is frequently a four-for-one, meaning that it's another good source of permanent-count advantage. Shamanic Revelation is another good draw-spell. If you have fat enough creatures, Rishkar's Expertise may merit an include. Hull Breach is a great two-for-one.
Green-red decks, which tend to be creature-heavy, can be soft to boardwipes. Heroic Intervention is a good way to protect your duders; Grim Flowering and Nature's Resurgence are good ways to recoup cards after losing a bunch of guys.
Tutors are good. Gamble is cheap these days, due to the recent reprint. Green Sun's Zenith , Tooth and Nail and Chord of Calling can all grab powerful creatures to play -- note that GSZ for X = 0 can grab Dryad Arbor , if you run it. Worldly Tutor or Sylvan Tutor are also good.
Oftentimes, green-red decks win through a combination of Stax pieces and aggro cards.
Potential Stax Pieces:
Blood Moon / Magus of the Moon : If you craft your land base carefully, you can make these into a near asymmetrical effect. A lot of decks benefit from greedy mana bases in EDH, and these are a way to punish that.
Artifact hate is pretty awesome. Collector Ouphe is powerful, since you can get your ramp from creatures while shutting off non-green players' artifact ramp; as an added bonus, you can grab it with Green Sun's Zenith or Chord of Calling . By Force is an excellent card that can nuke a lot of permanents at once, and Nature's Claim is a very efficient removal spell. Krosan Grip may be justified in a heavy-blue meta. Gorilla Shaman is good as a method of artifact-destruction that does not cost you cards. Also Reclamation Sage and Manglehorn .
Gruul has access to a lot of hatebears. Ruric Thar, the Unbowed is a really powerful dude you've already got, as he can club combo players like me really hard. Harsh Mentor is good for punishing all sorts of decks. Eidolon of the Great Revel , and his cousin Pyrostatic Pillar , are both good. Scab-Clan Berserker is similar to Kambal, Consul of Allocation in Orzhov. Runic Armasaur , too.
Cards like Root Maze can shut down combos really quickly, and City of Solitude / Price of Glory can prevent/discourage countermagic. Pyroblast or the Maybeboarded Red Elemental Blast can also be worth running.
Most of the best green decks end the game with an alpha-strike. Craterhoof Behemoth is the best for this, as it can be tutored out with Natural Order or a high-cost Green Sun's Zenith . Similarly, Overrun is good, but I suggest Triumph of the Hordes as a more potent alternative. This does, of course, require creatures on the board, so I suggest some of the following duders:
Eternal Witness (from Maybeboard)
Deep Forest Hermit / Thelonite Hermit / Deranged Hermit : These make bodies for Craterhoof Behemoth and Slate of Ancestry ; also good if you end up running Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip or Gaea's Cradle .
Beast Whisperer : Added bonus of card advantage.
...and the aforementioned hatebears can also attack.
Good luck! That's all I got.
1 month ago
I don't think Marwyn gets the credit she deserves. What's also nice is that the deck has multiple different ways to keep going without Marwyn. A couple suggestions:
Dwynen's Elite : cheap multiple elves to pump Marwyn quickly. Not needed but is pure value for 2 CMC. You get two 1/1 elves and Marwyn gets two +1/+1 counters. Also works well for bouncing back to your hand.
With infinite Mana:
Assault Formation : seems like a very odd inclusion. However, with the infinite or near infinite amounts of mana produced it becomes an insane pump spell for all our elves.
- Tap the Big Mana Tap Elf for big mana.
- Use Symbiote to untap the Big Mana Tap Elf and bounce the Random Elf.
- Tap the Big Mana Tap Elf for big mana again.
- Use Temur to bounce the Symbiote to your hand.
- Recast the Random Elf and the Symbiote then rinse and repeat.
If you want any more ideas you can look at my deck here: Nature AND Nurture with Marwyn
2 months ago
Thanks for the interest in this deck! Personally I’ve tried those so called “mana dorks” in the past, and I’ve since found that their impact in the late game, although maybe helpful early, just don’t provide the results needed to pound opponents into submission. For this reason I instead favor Arbor Elf and Argothian Elder because they untap forests. Almost the exact same except when the lands are under influence from Elvish Guidance and Caged Sun , which will net more mana than a stagnant 1. Also Itlimoc, Cradle of the Sun benefits greatly!
3 months ago
just a few recommendations from my elf deck experience, you could try Shamanic Revelation since you already have cards that do similar things another might not be bad. Triumph of the Hordes can end a game in seconds even with smaller board states. Chord of Calling end step before your turn drop a elf lord or a regal force or any other card from the deck seems good in any case. Coat of Arms is a massive buff to your creatures. Elvish Guidance seems like a slightly different marwyn the nurturer on a stick and is a great card.
3 months ago
I have the same deck (obviously a little different), which I haven't updated in about a year. This will help with that. After having played it a ton I'd say some of the most high impact cards you don't have are Elvish Guidance (talk about ramp! this guy kills), Bramblecrush (contributes as solid point removal), Song of the Dryads (deals with commanders in a humorous way), Harmonize , Shamanic Revelation . I could probably find some more but overall, I'd say the most effective thing I've found for going off with mana and ezuri pumps is having a lot of low-cost producers that also do stuff. Taunting Elf will win you tons of games (and can be regenerated by Ezuri). There's a one-drop elf I'm blanking on that taps to let you play an extra land each turn, which can be helpful for ramp. I could really go on but I have just ONE more lol. Rude Awakening can sometimes feel like a dead draw but it never is. Turns a game around.
As you can probably tell I have a passion for this deck. I love it, even though my friends do not.
Hope this helps!
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