Dakmor Salvage enters the battlefield tapped.
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Dredge 2 (If you would draw a card, instead you may put exactly two cards from the top of your library into your graveyard. If you do, return this card from your graveyard to your hand. Otherwise, draw a card.)
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Dakmor Salvage Discussion
1 month ago
Hmm, this is strange. As far as I can tell, the endpanel and endaccordion lines are in the code, but it's not showing up in the description. I put the code for the description in a code box if you want to glance over it. Thanks for your help dude!
===accordion ===panel: Background I started playing Magic the Gathering back when Guilds of Ravnica was released. I bought 2 fat packs, and promptly built a Dimir surveil "standard" deck that was a steaming pile of hot poo. I then tried to "fix" it by adding in green, making it a sultai deck. This did nothing. However, ever since then, graveyard decks as well as the colors Black/Green/X have always had a special place in my heart. While I was assessing my commander decks, I realized I had never built a deck revolving around the graveyard, and I knew what I had to do. ===endpanel ===panel: Building the Deck To the Interwebs! I rushed to the computer to look on EDHRec to see what graveyard commanders there were. I already had a decent idea of what I was searching for. I had heard of [[Muldrotha, the Gravetide]], [[Meren of Clan Nel Toth]], as well as [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], but none of these seemed to speak to me. Going strictly Golgari seemed limiting, as there were many cards I wanted to play in blue. However, when I add blue to my decks, I always somehow turn it into a control deck, and I wanted this to be fun for the whole table. So, that idea sadly had to be thrown in the trash. I looked back over my options, and realized that I liked the idea of [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], I just didn't like how it limited you to one card per turn from the graveyard. So, I looked more into the Abzan colors, and found [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]]. It was exactly what I was looking for. ===endpanel ===panel: Gameplan With [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]], I would be able to fill my graveyard to my hearts content, then at the opportune moment cast my commander, reanimating most of my graveyard and turning the tide of the game. Ideally, I would win on the spot once I cast my commander, but since that is not always guaranteed, I added in some "stax" (not sure if that is the right word). Essentially just cards that would slow down my opponents until I can fill up my graveyard with the combo, then reanimate it again with Nethroi. ===endpanel ===panel: Winning the Game The main way this deck wins is through a combo involving [[Reveillark]], [[Karmic Guide]], a sac outlet such as [[Viscera Seer]], and a pinger, such as [[Blood Artist]]. Assuming all the pieces are on the battlefield, you can sacrifice the Karmic Guide to the sac outlet. Now, there is a [[Reveillark]], [[Viscera Seer]], and a [[Blood Artist]] on the battlefield, with a [[Karmic Guide]] in the graveyard. Then, you can sacrifice the [[Reveillark]] to the [[Viscera Seer]] to bring back the [[Karmic Guide]]. When the Karmic Guide enters the battlefield, it's ability will trigger, allowing you to bring back the [[Reveillark]], so you can repeat the process as many times as you need, until every opponent dies from [[Blood Artist]] triggers. <br> <br> While this deck may win through a combo, I don't want it to be as competitive as possible, as most of my playgroup is limited to a tight budget (College will do that to ya). ===endpanel ===panel: Budget In regards to budget, I'm trying to only buy <$100 worth of cards. I already own most of the cards in the deck, but any I don't I'll put in the acquire section. ===endpanel ===panel: Things I've Noticed/Help Needed A few things I've noticed when I goldfished a couple hands with this deck is that it's very mana hungry, and its early game presence is quite lackluster. I tried cutting cards to add in more ramp, but it's to the point where I love every card in the deck, and I can't bring myself to cut more (it was originally a quite hefty 148 card deck when I first drew up a rough draft). What do you think I could cut/replace to keep the core idea of the deck, while getting it down to 100 cards? It seems to be a little all over the place, and I keep noticing I don't have the right cards I need in my hand at the right time. Since this is my first Commander/EDH graveyard focused deck, what are your thoughts? What are things I can improve (besides the atrocious mana curve)? ===endpanel ===panel: Upgrades/Cards I'm Considering This is a list of potential upgrades for down the road, as they're too expensive for the deck at the moment:<br> [[Hermit Druid]]<br> [[Birds of Paradise]]<br> [[Protean Hulk]]<br> [[Fauna Shaman]]<br><br> This is the list of cards I'm considering putting in the deck: <br> [[Ancient Craving]] <br> [[Dakmor Salvage]] <br> [[Drownyard Temple]] <br> [[Night's Whisper]] <br> [[Painful Truths]] <br> [[Plumb the Forbidden]] <br> [[Sign in Blood]] <br> [[Village Rites]] <br> [[Brainspoil]] (can grab [[Karmic Guide]] or [[Reveillark]]) <br> [[Skullwinder]] <br> ===endpanel ===panel: Changelog This is just a spot for me to know what I took out for what, in the case that some cards I add underperform, or some are overperformers :)<br><br> 05/07/21 <br> -[[Fiend Hunter]] OUT for [[Leonin Relic-Warder]]. While Relic-Warder does not target creatures, it combos with [[Animate Dead]] and a [[Blood Artist]] effect.<br> -[[Morality Shift]] OUT for [[Skullclamp]]. Mortality Shift's 7 cmc is pretty high, and by the time I can cast it there are probably better things to do. Skullclamp allows me to draw cards, one thing that this deck is lacking, for a very low cost. <br> -[[Drannith Magistrate]] and [[Sun Titan]] are OUT. Magistrate was only in as a friend has several scary [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]] decks, and it shuts him down until he removes it. I'm still on the fence about Sun Titan. It IS a nice effect, but I'm struggling to justify the mana cost, and if I decide to reanimate it, there are generally better targets to reanimate. <be> -[[Fertilid]] OUT for [[Cultivate]]. While Fertilid is a pretty fun target for Nethroi's reanimate ability, I've found I'm struggling to cast Nethroi in the first place. ===endpanel ===endaccordion
1 month ago
BrassLord those are some good ideas! This was almost a
The Gitrog Monster
deck, but I didn't want a big target on my back hahaha. I didn't even consider
, I'll deff see if it works. The only problem is that I'm not sure how I'd discard it again. I suppose if I constantly have more than 7 at discard step maybe? But as the deck is right now, I have the opposite problem haha.
That's fair, I'm also used to using engines, specifically the commander, instead of one off effects. I have an Arcades, the Strategist and a Teysa Karlov deck, so with both of those the card draw is stapled to the commander, all I have to do is supply a card that will trigger it (a wall with Arcades, creature dying with a card that lets me draw when creatures die in the case of Teysa). I'm not very familiar with one off card draw effects, so I'll look some more into that.
Hmm, that's an interesting idea. I really like Plumb the Forbidden , as I can sacrifice as many creatures I want. I might add that to my Teysa Karlov deck haha! I see your Costly Plunder , and raise you a Village Rites ! I never considered using dredge as a replacement for card draw spells, that's smart! Again, thank you for all the suggestions! Now I have even more hard decisions on what to cut haha!
1 month ago
TheShadowNite hahaha, I was about to say, in goldfishing your hands I had the same experience! I think you have a good mass of Dredge creatures and grave enablers, so you could fill the grave, but then it'd stall out, either having to wait a turn for tap lands, or not being able to mutate the commander for an effect. It sounds weird, but maybe Drownyard Temple might have a place in there as a one off? Also I'd be interested in something like Dakmor Salvage . Just another dredge option if it hits the grave. (Though I may be a bit biased, I really like The Gitrog Monster hahaha)
I think the one off draw effects come down to personal preference. I typically like having repeated things like Phyrexian Arena Sylvan Library stuff that can get repeated use over the course of a game. Though I also play in a meta that has a lot of board wipes and tax effects, so resolving one is important as the games go a bit longer and I have to recoup after an Armageddon or Wrath of God resolves. I WILL say that I've had good experiences running one off card draw effects in jank tribal decks like Treefolk, where just jamming in a TON of card draw means you can keep drawing action and eventually flooding the board with crappy creatures lol.
I could see one off card draw working in your deck! In particular if you're working with a budget! There were some hands that were JUST close enough to being bomb, but fell short on lands or action. Black has a plethora of card draw one off options. like Sign in Blood Ancient Craving Night's Whisper .
Also maybe some food for thought? Since you have a lot of dredge creatures and dorks, something like Plumb the Forbidden , Costly Plunder could work, as you could replace the first draw with the dredge trigger, which would then still have a play by simply recasting the creature.
Just some ideas to playtest with!
2 months ago
OK. So this might get a little weird. Gitrog is maybe one of the funniest competitive combo decks in Commander. A very unique kind of combo that lets you draw your entire deck (multiple times) and do basically anything you want to win. It's very odd, and can be done for pretty cheap as far as I've seen. The things that are really necessary are The Gitrog Monster and Dakmor Salvage .
The way it works is that you discard Dakmor Salvage from your hand to trigger Gitrog's last line of text to draw a card. Then you use the Dredge ability on Dakmor Salvage to get it back into your hand by milling two cards from your library into your graveyard. Then you discard Dakmor Salvage from your hand again, and again... And again...
When you mill a land into your graveyard with dredge, you'll draw an additional card. So it's net positive in that you'll end up with more cards in hand then you started with. But wait, you ask, how do I not mill myself out of the game? I'm glad you asked. You shuffle your graveyard back into your library! The most efficient way to do this is with Kozilek, Butcher of Truth or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre , but I've also seen it done on a budget with Elixir of Immortality .
Now how do I turn this into a win, you wonder? You make mana during the loops described above and do whatever the f**k you want! Most rituals you have available to you, like Dark Ritual Cabal Ritual and Songs of the Damned , create black mana. But there are ways to create green mana. One simple one is Early Harvest . Those will give you infinite mana during the loop, which already puts all of your cards into your hand. Then you can win with simple stuff like Exsanguinate or Torment of Hailfire . Just make sure to pay attention to the grumblings of the other players at the table. If you can't hear them it probably means everyone picked up their cards and left. Congratulations! You've now won the game!
(I'll give your list a real look later, but I felt that I had to share all of the above information first.)
2 months ago
As OP said, you can create multiple cleanup steps by forcing a trigger during the clean up step multiple times. The easiest example of this to understand is discarding and then dredging Dakmor Salvage with The Gitrog Monster . OP's question is valid on the premise of most things ending on the cleanup step. They just missed the distinction that I made in my initial comment.
514.3a At this point, the game checks to see if any state-based actions would be performed and/or any triggered abilities are waiting to be put onto the stack (including those that trigger “at the beginning of the next cleanup step”). If so, those state-based actions are performed, then those triggered abilities are put on the stack, then the active player gets priority. Players may cast spells and activate abilities. Once the stack is empty and all players pass in succession, another cleanup step begins.
3 months ago
One of my favorite commanders! I'm surprised not to see Dakmor Salvage in the deck. The interaction between your commander and dredge is super nutty!
4 months ago
5 months ago
Transmute really has one of the strongest synergies with Ramirez; however, I didn't end up adding it for each CMC, because the deck is still in construction and I don't have key cards to tutor for yet. Also, I want to make sure that the card with transmute has a relevant ability. Otherwise, it'll only be a tutor and a waste of a card slot, imo.
- There are some obvious cards I will have to buy/trade for such as: Cranial Plating, Buried Ruin, Unearth, Reconnaissance Mission
- Maybe: Shadow of the Grave, Drake Haven (CMC3 slot is competitive & the 1 mana tax might be hindering my game plan; would like to hear your opinion on that card)
I haven't thought of Dredge cards. Thanks for that suggestion! I think cards with that ability might work best when I have both commanders in play. (probably cutting some cycling cards for Dredge) These are the ones I'm currently considering: Golgari Thug, Necroplasm and Dakmor Salvage. I think I need more cards that recur stuff from my graveyard besides Ramirez. (just in case he gets removed before combat dmg etc.)
What's your opinion on redundant cards? I already have 2 creatures that reduce costs of artifacts and 2 creatures that return artifacts to my hand when they die. How many is enough do you think?
Also looking for cards that synergize well with my commanders and help me recur non-artifact, non-creature cards.