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Vow of Wildness
Enchantment — Aura
Enchanted creature gets +3/+3 has trample and can't attack you or a planeswalker you control.
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Vow of Wildness Discussion
1 week ago
2 months ago
I have a large amount of new additions for wants, so I have updated again after some trades. Looking to work on/finish 3 EDH Projects. Here is what I need most.
I would also like to say I may be willing to work out a trade for Karn if anyone wants to work out a deal for ~$55 worth of cards off Star City, Card Kingdom, or TCG Player, but that's another story, Otherwise I can look at binders.
For Edgar EDH:
Plenty of other Vamps, just ask/I will look through binders
2 months ago
Here is my attempt to figure out my "7 by 9" classification of my deck (Referenced article about "7 by 9"). The deck doesn't really fit into the model well since many of the cards overlap by just being enchantments that there's a lot of categories/single cards that only care if other enchantments get played.
The deck itself cost a lot to get rolling and I like where the ramp sits right now even if it's a bit high on cards, but being a 5 color deck has its requriements. I'd like to increase the number of cost reduction cards. And slightly increase the number of draw, and combo cards. If I had to I would probably remove some of the buff/removal/graveyard cards. The issue I have though is that I want to keep the same number of creatures as early agression is this decks downfall. If I could I would also update the mana base and then be able to cut some of the ramp cards.
Number of enchantments: 36 (a * represents that this card cares about enchantments) (15 are auras)
- Kodama's Reach
- Awakening Zone
- Fertile Ground
- Font of Fertility
- From Beyond
- Khalni Heart Expedition
- Trace of Abundance
- Birds of Paradise
- Courser of Kruphix
- Enchantress's Presence
- Argothian Enchantress
- Eidolon of Blossoms
- Kor Spiritdancer
- Mesa Enchantress
- Verduran Enchantress
- Assault Suit
- Furor of the Bitten
- Guise of Fire
- Vow of Duty
- Vow of Flight
- Vow of Lightning
- Vow of Malice
- Vow of Wildness
2 months ago
Thanks for the suggestions, bushido_man96 and Wasteyourtime. I've ordered an Exploration and it should be here in a couple of days. I do have a Gaea's Touch that I'll consider adding if I need more of this effect. As far as Burgeoning goes, it would be good early in the game, but later in the game the guys in my group would just stop playing lands until they could deal with it.
Alright, here's a question for any of you guys that are following the progress of this deck. For a good while now, I've been considering adding Riding the Dilu Horse to the deck, but before sinking that much money into the card, I need to make sure I'm going to keep it in the deck.
The card is good, no question, but even though it's a sorcery, it plays like an aura. Here's the thing, I don't usually like to run offensive auras due to the 2 for 1 effect. In other words, if someone sacks Omnath, the aura goes with it. The exceptions in this deck are Rancor, which comes right back and can be replayed for just one mana, and Bear Umbra, which trades itself for Omnath when Omnath gets the boot. I guess Vow of Wildness should also be considered with offensive auras, but since it is also a defensive aura, the versatility gives it the okay.
So what do you guys think, should I get a Riding the Dilu Horse, or is my desire for a flavor win by having Omnath riding a horse to victory overshadowing my better sense?
3 months ago
Hey, I saw some of your comments on other Uril decks and they brought me here. I don't use sideboards, but I really like Kataki, War's Wage and how you use the aura enchantresses instead of the higher cost verduran / mesa.
Maybe just cut Jungle Shrine and go with 36 lands. Lands that enter tapped are no good in more competitive environments unless they do something really special. You definitely don't need mana fixing with all the duals, fetches, and land tutors.
You could replace Silent Arbiter with Dueling Grounds. It's a more restrictive for others but same for you, costs less, and harder to get rid of. In my deck I settled on Solitary Confinement as my protection card. It's more situational, but much better.
How does sword of feast and famine perform when it gives pro-green? You have 8 aura's that are removed or no longer targetable when sword is equipped. Is it still worth it?
I've been trying out Cartouche of Strength which I swapped with Vow of Wildness and I'm pretty happy with the results so far. I also noticed you had listed some of that fast mana cards like mana crypt and mox diamond, I would take out the signets first for those when you get them. Some other cards that I really like Bloom Tender, Hyena Umbra, Aura of Silence, Crop Rotation.
You can check my deck and make suggestions here: http://tappedout.net/mtg-decks/uril-in-control/
4 months ago
4 months ago
Oh hey! It's always great to see somebody getting into group hug, I feel like I've had a fair amount of experience playing group hug and politics in general (My first deck was How to Have Fun in EDH - Phelddagrif Surprise) and from my experience I've noticed that people tend to love group hug in the first game that you play, and slowly gravitate towards disliking it. I'm here to help you with preventing that slow decline, because after playing a lot of other decks I've realized that it is preventable if you play the game with enough tact.
The decline in "fun" was partially due to the way I was playing, but also due to the fact that with group hug a) it can make the games last a lot longer, b) people start to become wise to your tricks and the fact that you have win cons in mind and c) group hug can cause the game to change significantly, which means that people sometimes don't get to play their deck the way they wanted to play it. Here is my explanation for each:
a) While it might seem nice and innocent to prevent damage dealt to people and/or give them life (using Avacyn, Guardian Angel for example), all it is really doing sometimes is prolonging the inevitable, and taking away the impact of attacking (see part c). Drawing a lot of cards is fun, but then the control player might end up with an answer for everything. Getting lands/creatures is fun, but it can cause a full-board stalemate. In addition, generally when people have more options/resources, they end up taking a lot longer to play through their turn.
b) Cards like Felidar Sovereign can really turn off players to the idea of group hug, since it sort of removes the veil of friendliness from the deck. The problem is that if you put obvious win cons in the deck, players will start to get suspicious of your every move. For example: If you start giving a player life/hippos, instead of thinking "wow what a nice guy" they might start thinking "hmm, they are probably trying to buy some time since I bet they have a win con soon"
c) I think your deck is a lot better for this than mine (since mine was just all-out group hug with no remorse or concern for limits), but generally I've noticed that when you give players a lot of resources, their initial plans go down the drain; the control player now could have a lot more ways to prevent things from happening, the Johnny now has an army of hippos to block while he searches for his janky combo, the Timmy is complaining because he keeps slamming down awesome creatures, only to have them countered, and that one guy with the really bad deck is still struggling because no matter what resources you give him, everyone else is still benefitting a lot more.
Now there is a very clear rebuttal to all of these: "Well I don't necessarily have to give EVERYONE resources, just the people that need help/are being nice". This is a fairly sound argument for a few games, but then people will get tired of playing "Be the group hug player's friend or lose the game". This is why tact is extremely important.
My advice: Go ahead and have fun: the deck looks fun, the archetype plays fun, but don't go all out every game. Give yourself one game to get to that sweet sweet group hug singularity, but after that practice a bit of self-control. It will help you a ton in the long run.
For example, try limiting yourself to only activating each of Phelddagrif's abilities once per round (or once per player per round) or reconsider using Avacyn, Guardian Angel because it might come back to bite you when people want the game to end, or at least try to leave yourself tapped out sometimes.
Another piece of advice from me is to try to make your win cons more well-hidden. For example, try putting in a Prosperity and a Elixir of Immortality instead of a Felidar Sovereign, then use some group ramp spells like New Frontiers to give yourself enough mana to use it for lethal in an emergency (but of course that was't the intent of putting it in, just something you realized later, right?). I'd suggest removing some of your pillow fort cards like Collective Restraint and Ghostly Prison so that people aren't avoiding attacking you because they can't, but because they don't want to. Giving people choice is the best thing to do
And that segways into the most important thing about politics in EDH: People want control. The reason why so many combo decks aren't fun, the reason why control/stax decks are just so annoying, the reason why people can get so upset at having their creatures killed are all because it took control away from that player. This is why cards like Swans of Bryn Argoll are so freakin effective, because the resources aren't just there - you have to work for them, and it pays off when you get them. Unfortunately, most group hug decks don't realize this, which is why there is such a huge gap between group hug and politics sometimes. Take my grixis control/group slug deck as an example: (source: Your Best Evil Friend - EDH Tempting Deals) Grixis, Control, Group Slug, but somehow heavily political; It's because so many cards that I use give the opponent options, and in the end THEY are the ones making the decision to (with Ludevic's ability), attack somebody other than me or even hurt themselves to draw cards. Mages' Contest is an objectively BAD counterspell in a blue deck (aside from the ability to use red mana), but it puts the burden of having one's spell countered on my opponent's shoulders, making it a surprisingly GOOD card for politics. Other counterspells are still used, but only when the control player already tried to interfere or somebody is getting obviously oppressive/out of hand. This is why vows (ie Vow of Flight, Vow of Wildness and Vow of Duty) are so effective: people can't attack me, but they still gained something, and they still have the same (or even more) control over the outcome of the game. Other players don't like it? Well hey, I'm just trying to keep myself from dying. Have some cards as compensation. Fecundity is also great for this, depending on what kind of decks you are playing against. You don't have control over who gets to draw cards, but it is a nice little present to the guy who just had his stuff killed, and it makes for a funny reaction when a boardwipe comes down.
Anyways, I hope through this random amalgamation of thoughts I was able to help in any way, I usually don't write this much but I have so much to say about politics in commander. It requires a lot of finesse but it pays off to see your friends having fun while you still have a big impact on the game. I hope you have fun, and let me know if you want any card suggestions! I didn't want to make this too much bigger which is why I left a lot out. poorpinkus out
6 months ago
That's kind of cool. A commander deck is a form of self expression I feel. On a side note, have you considered trying out any of the vows in this deck? Karona isn't picking about who she fights for and can deal a fair bit of damage to you. However if you used one of these Vow of Flight, Vow of Lightning, Vow of Wildness, or the slightly weaker Vow of Duty, and Vow of Malice you could prevent her from turning on you.