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1 day ago
What's your philosophy here? What do you want your deck to do?
Bound in Silence fits better than Pacifism since you can tutor for it. Same thing with Big Game Hunter over one of your kill spells. Pious Warrior and Shield Dancer make pretty good surprise blockers too.
You've also got pieces to a few combos but they would need a few more parts. Teysa, Orzhov Scion combos with Darkest Hour but it really needs a Blood Artist and Ashnod's Altar to work. Cho-Manno, Revolutionary combos with Pariah and Pariah's Shield. Those two also combo with Stuffy Doll.
One last Card. Conspiracy turns every creature into Rebels or Mercenaries, letting you tutor for any creature in your deck.
1 week ago
Bounce effects could be simulated with disarming spells. Not sure how it works in the d6 system, but in D&D this would force an opponent to spend a minor action (and possibly a move action, depending on how far the weapon was thrown) to pick up their item. This provides a bit of a delay, without causing any tangible damage to an opponent.
Rather than focus on bounce/flicker, I would instead consider using some temporary exile effects in White. These types of spells are found in D&D on the Cleric class - the target is banished to another dimension until the Cleric's next action. This prevents the target from dealing damage or receiving damage.
Moving on to the colors I have not preciously addressed, I'll start with White since I've already broached that color. Some other options include:
Healing or preventing damage - which I think is pretty obvious.
Combining strength with an ally for an offensive advantage and Being willing to take the entirety of a hit to prevent an ally from harm (yes, I understand banding has been--unfairly--discontinued, but it was still a primarily White ability that feels quite appropriate).
Do you intend to allow for the combination of colors? Those combinations create distinct entities with all sorts of color pie implications.
1 week ago
@ForTheOldFrame: Thanks for your upvote and your detailed comment and sorry for posting so late. I was busy the last days and didn't find the time to reply.
I will try to answer to all your suggestion but I myself aren't an expert in EDH too. So maybe I am wrong with some choices and many cards depend on teh playgroup you are playing:
- Mentor of the Meek: Is already on my maybe list and goes in the deck as soon as I can get it.
- Concerted Effort: Is already on my maybe list and goes in the deck as soon as I can get it. But I will probably not build the deck around it. So Lost Auramancers, Plea for Guidance and Windbrisk Heights are out. Especially Windbrisk Heights as my rebels normally only attack once with three creatures or more.
- Land drops are an issue so Journeyer's Kite and Thawing Glaciers are great choice and I will try them out.
- Temple of the False God: I tend to have it on my starting hand nearly every time I play it in a deck. So I am not a big fan of this card. But with Journeyer's Kite and Thawing Glaciers it is maybe worth a try.
- Sword of the Animist: Mostly I need my rebels to control the table and don't have a chance to attack the first rounds.
- Rebels mitigate the lack of good carddraw in white by tutoring for your creatures. Normally I tend to keep 4-6 cards in my hand and use my mana to tutor for rebels or recast Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero so I don't need Jayemdae Tome, Armistice or Slate of Ancestry. Especially the later I think is not a good option with rebels. If you have enough rebels on the field you normally search for Mirror Entity and attack with your army.
- Light of Day synergices very well with Scuttlemutt and Distorting Lens so I will try it out.
- Cataclysm: Great suggestion and I will try to get one ;-)
- Fated Retribution is not the only instant wrath in white. There is also Rout. And I think if I add Cataclysm I am fine with wrath effects.
- Catastrophe and Armageddon are good option, but as I mostly play casual I leave them out.
- Cessation is better than Pacifism but at the moment Pacifism is only a placeholder and will get out of the deck. Presumable for an other suggestion form you.
- My playgroup mostly plays with older cards and so we decided to ban all planeswalkers. So Elspeth Tirel and Gideon of the Trials are out for me.
- Angel's Trumpet is a good card but not in my build, I think it is possibly in rebels but you have to build the deck differently.
- The runes cycle: Great suggestion. As rebels have already good answers against red and black I will try to find room for the three other runes.
- Icatian Store: I don't like the old storage land and I think that Fountain of Cho is strictly better. But normally I need my mana every turn and not a lot of mana in one turn. The only exception is Mirror Entity so I think I don't need it. But maybe I will try it out some day.
- Kongming, "Sleeping Dragon": For mone white Benalish Marshal is better and I will get one for this deck.
- Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite is great but to expensive (money) for me.
- Pariah and Pariah's Shield: I think you are right and the runes are better suited for the deck.
So thanks again for your comment and now I have the problem to find cards to take out for your suggestions ;-)
2 weeks ago
Sorry it took me so long, I suck at math and typing.
Okay, so first off, I'd suggest you drop high-costing cards. If they cost a lot (5+ mana with three colors, 6+ mana with two colors, 7+ mana with one color), and immediately win a game, they are worth it, as long as during normal, early-mid (Turns 1-6) game play, you can reach it with your ramp and manabase.
Now, onto the two cards that I believe fall under this "high-mana cost"-do-not-win-game card category:
Duneblast - This card is big, it leaves you with the best board state (Provided no opponent held up a counterspell, Heroic Intervention, Golgari Charm, Wrap in Vigor, Faith's Reward, or Teferi's Protection), but it does only help you get the best board state in terms of creatures. What creatures is the deck trying so hard to protect it couldn't run an Austere Command or Merciless Eviction over. I mean Day of Judgment/Damnation/Wrath of God feels better than this, because of your commander being able to pull off bringing back any board state you lost in them.
In Garruk's Wake - I hate this card, and love it at the same time, I mean, similar problem to Duneblast, and if you are going to make something expensive, go all the way, but 9 mana? At least personally, whenever a board-state has gotten out of hand, it has either A: been very early in the game, so people didn't have easy ways to deal with it, or B: be well protected, think an Archetype of Endurance+Avacyn, Angel of Hope being flipped from a turn 4 Tooth and Nail. The idea I want to make is a Merciless Eviction gets around anything, and come down for 2/3rds the price. I'd still rather see a Tragic Arrogance, as that card lets you pick the worst for all of your opponents, the best for you, and is sacrifice and choose, so they get around every keyword like Hexproof/Indestructible/Protection.
Now onto the next group of cards that need to go, cards that are good with enchantments, yet are not in fact enchantments, and could be replaced by enchantments:
Yavimaya Enchantress - Ooh it is by far the worst enchantress, Early game it does nothing but chump block, mid-game it blocks for real, late game it blocks and hopes someone has no creatures now that it has high damage. It will die if it gets large, because it has no built in protection, and generally just isn't very good in this deck.
Helm of the Gods - It's like Yavimaya Enchantress, except it doesn't have a body, so can't chump block early game, and doesn't count opponent's enchanments, and generally just isn't very good in this deck.
Blessed Spirits - It's a Yavimaya Enchantress that only counts enchantments put after him and doesn't count opponents enchantments, all to give him flying. At least he can deal damage through blockers, and though he has no protection, he is the best of the bunch. I still don't think he is worth keeping.
Celestial Ancient - Honestly, I have disliked this guy every time. People claim he is Cathars' Crusade levels of powerful, as in it isn't an enchantment (like Cathars' Crusade isn't a creature), and it places a bunch of counters on your creatures! This just isn't true though. Cathars' Crusade and effects like it (Coat of Arms/Door of Destinies in a tribal deck) are great because they aren't creatures, so they are harder to immediately remove. They also work because they are on enter the battlefield. If I put ten 1/1 creature tokens onto the battlefield with a spell, they all become 11/11's due to Cathars' Crusade, suddenly 10 power is 110 power. Casting enchantments doesn't have that effect. To pull off something similar, you'd have to cast either 10 actual enchantment creatures (You have 12 in total), or cast ten creatures/make ten tokens (Heliod, God of the Sun/Sigil of the Empty Throne) and then cast ten enchantments, which is difficult on many levels. The point is it looks really good, but it isn't.
Blightcaster - I love this card. No sarcasm, no until now or anything, it is a pet card of mine. That and Doomwake Giant are why I feel black should be greatly considered in the colors to use for enchantress. It is great, but without a lot of protection, tutors, and ramp, it falls short almost every time. If someone would be hurt by it, they remove it. It is a four mana do nothing, or Disfigure once or twice most of the time.
Auramancer - With a sacrifice outlet, and your commander, it feels good, because it can be a Regrowth for an enchantment on a repeatable engine, but that doesn't do it for this deck, and being a creature isn't enough, so I don't think it makes the cut.
Now onto the category of enchantments that I feel fall short in this deck. Whether they are too much mana, or not powerful enough, possibly their mana requirements are simply too much for this landbase.
Spectra Ward - It may be really cool, ooh look, I can turn any creature into a nearly untouchable (minus board wipes or enchantment removal+creature removal or colorless creature removal), unblockable (except colorless creatures), and it gets a power pump! +2/+2 isn't much in commander, and everyone runs sweepers. It is unblockable and untouchable until it isn't and I don't think such an effect belongs in any place other than a voltron build. Uril, The Mistalker maybe.
Ancestral Mask - Well, it is an iconic card. Sees play in voltron, bogles (voltron on tiny hexproofers), and sees play nowhere else. Trust me, no legacy enchantress list has used that card as a wincon, and in commander, it does find a place, but in voltron, and this deck isn't that.
Celestial Archon, for either it's bestow or normal casting cost, it is overpriced. It only does one thing, beat face. Serra Ascendant beats face at a rate per mana cost 7.5 to one. 15 to one if you count lifegain, and the only downside is not having first strike (Unless you consistently are beneath 30 life). Straight damage isn't the point of this deck though. It is about drawing card and then whittling your opponent to death whilst you combo out. This card doesn't help with that, and is 3 mana more than I would ever consider using (for both costs).
Ethereal Armor - Again, this is for voltron and bogles, not for enchantress.
Fate Unraveler - This is a Nekusar, the Mindrazer card. It is in the same vein as Underworld Dreams, a great card, especially if there is Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind combo in your meta. Fate Unraveler however gets pinged four times by Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind and dies. It isn't a card for this deck on the premise that you are attempting to draw cards, and unless you have seen a ton of Enter the Infinite decks lying around, it does very little but paints a target on your head.
Armament of Nyx - This card is a trap. It looks on the outset to be a Battle Mastery that doubles as removal, but it is worse than Guard Duty or Pacifism at removal (cost, and the creature can block), and you wouldn't want to run either effect. A card that does one of two bad effects is rarely good. In this case, one of the effects is useless (double strike is a voltron card), and the other is nearly useless (or completely outclassed by Journey to Nowhere).
Grim Guardian - You run 40 enchantments. All 40 need to drop for this to win (Or most and a few that can bounce). You do not do that with this card. If you are using it to whittle, and win in combat, it also won't do. Greater Auramancy, Sterling Grove, Privileged Position or any tutor to find them comes down to inconsistently to protect him over multiple turns, so he will consistently just be removal bait, or useless. Great finisher in place of Altar of the Brood for Parallax Wave Combo, so run it if you run the combo, and some more tutors.
Underworld Coinsmith - Without lifegain synergies, he doesn't win. For value though, and he becomes very interesting. Honestly I find him to be a powerful card. Without Mana Bloom, Cloudstone Curio, Parallax Wave combo however, I don't think he is powerful enough to make the cut.
Karametra, God of Harvests - This feels bad. If it said enchantment, it's have 40+ triggers, but with out, it is just bad. Mirari's Wake is a much better version, to the point an extra tutor would be better than this. 9 lands is the maximum this can fetch, with your manabase, and that is over 9 cast triggers. It's rarely happen, so I'd estimate this to be a Gilded Lotus level of power, that enters tapped, and takes 2-3 turns to set up. It's only in here because it is an enchantment, and that isn't worth it.
Courser of Kruphix - It gives slight card advantage in the form of knowing you next card, and digging one if you find a land. Keep in mind that the land you play from top uses up for 1 land per turn (or two with Exploration), and doesn't give you any extra drops like Oracle of Mul Daya. Otherwise, the lifegain is negligible, and it blocks decently. Since it reveals all of your draws, Pithing Needles and Nevermores/Meddling Mages will all be more potent from your opponents. It is decent, but not good enough.
Quarantine Field - Removal, which I used for a time, but realized, at four mana it is a bad Banishing Light, at 6 mana, it is way to expensive not to be a board wipe. It has two modes, and any more than 6 is absurd. With mana it isn't worth it, because there are better outlets, like a Torment of Hailfire for something that wins game. It has another mode though, . I have actually cast this for more times than I have or above, because I get a cast trigger. It isn't worth it for the choices though. Journey to Nowhere, Banishing Light, Song of the Dryads, and Darksteel Mutation are all much better (the last two can even shut off commanders!)
Budget 20 cards to toss in: (No cards above 3 dollars by tcgplayer prices.)
Darksteel Mutation - It is removal for commanders, and that is about all, but I'd say is worth it.
Mana Bloom - Extra fixing, card advantage, and ramp. Cheap card in game and in real life.
Blind Obedience - Shuts off many combos, slows artifact mana, and is generally an anti-combo card. Extort is a nice bonus, but is rarely useful.
Authority of the Consuls - Same as above, but turn one play, only works on creatures, and a lot of added lifegain.
Prison Term - This card is a pet card. I love the moving around ability. It is very useful, and is a threat to any Azami, Lady of Scrolls or something like Narset, Enlightened Master where even hexproof gets gotten around when it moves.
Wild Growth - See above, remove fixing.
Weirding Wood - Replaces itself, fixes, ramps.
Abundance - Stops you form milling out (by replacing draws with reveals, when it can't reveal anything, it stops, and you don't lose the game), gives card advantage when you flip past cards you don't need, and it can't hurt since it is a may replacement effect, so you can always not reveal if you don't want to give out information.
Commune with the Gods - Powerful card draw, fills the yard.
Total cost of these twenty card: $17.25 (USD) not including taxes or shipping from tcgplayer
All of these changes will lead to a net increase of 8 enchantments, and that will leave you at 48 enchantments total, so you will only averagely need 2 enchantress effects to have access to your whole deck given infinite mana. possibly just 1 enchantress and Abundance
2 weeks ago
digbickmcgee: People play Magic for a variety of reasons; I think WBG is a fellow Vorthos. Personally, I'm here for knights, thallids, and magical horses; for the powerful sense of old-fashioned civilization that Magic can often convey (nonbasic lands, Trading Post, Castle, Knighthood, Worship, etc.); and for the few musketeers we've gotten so far -- along with the magical pre-8th-Edition frame and the beautiful look of Mirage block. I'm not going to hold it against anyone for having strong aesthetic preferences of their own, especially not ones that seem to have a little in common with mine.
WBG: Look at the Enchantress deck archetype; also look at tokens and Storm, if you're a little flexible on violence. (The classic finisher for the High Tide variant of Storm decks is Brain Freeze, which is probably not up your alley. Tokens tend to involve fighting with knights, soldiers, and pegasi, under the command of figures like Sidar Kondo of Jamuraa, Radiant, Archangel, and the occasional real-world general like Kongming, "Sleeping Dragon"; I'm perfectly comfortable with this sort of semi-storybook violence, though it sounds like you might not be.)
Try winning the game by generating infinite mana and decking your opponent. Stroke of Genius is the traditional finisher for this, or, again, Brain Freeze in High Tide.
Nacre Talisman, Malachite Talisman, Staff of Domination, Sword of the Paruns, Argothian Elder, Priest of Titania, and Freed from the Real are in-color cards that it's very easy to build infinite-mana engines around. High-mana-output lands are the natural complement for most of these; look at Growing Rites of Itlimoc Flip, Selesnya Sanctuary, Azorius Chancery, and Simic Growth Chamber. (Tolarian Academy, Gaea's Cradle, and Serra's Sanctum -- in order from strongest to weakest -- are the best infinite-mana-engine lands in the game, but they have prices to match. If using any of them nonetheless, look into Stormfront Riders and the Ice Age Talismans.)
Also, there's some white removal I think you could put up with: Swords to Plowshares, Path of Peace (look up the original art), Settle the Wreckage, Pacifism, Cessation. Look into the Circles and Runes of Protection, too.
3 weeks ago
If I were gonna add a ghostly prison here, I would take out one oblivion ring and move it to the sideboard since that wouldn’t disrupt the flow of your deck as you have it now. And I would also add another prison to your sideboard against an aggro matchup.
When you go to play in your modern league, I would expect there would be tron and eldrazi decks being played since they’re quite popular and hard to deal with right now. So I would recommend artifact removal in your sideboard and get you some Path to Exile’s or Pacifism’s in there. I’ve seen Rest in Peace in a lot of modern decks running white to keep graveyard-play out of the game as well. Hope that helps! Let us know how it goes!