This spell costs less to cast if it targets a blue spell.
Counter target spell unless its controller pays .
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|Throne of Eldraine (ELD)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
Mystical Dispute Discussion
3 days ago
Hey there! I like the list overall. The theme of denying mana from your opponents seems pretty interesting. The main thing I would take a look at is adding some extra control into the deck in order to make sure Zur can get to the battlefield. I would say, with your mana curve and ramp package you could easily cut 4 lands and still remain relativity safe. I think you could also part with some of the less effective / protection enchantments (like Steel of the Godhead, Triclopean Sight, Empyrial Armor, and maybe one of the shroud affects) in order to, again, add more instant speed protection and control. I think the enchantments are strong, but the fact that Zur can tutor out the best ones consistently means that redundancy isn't as important as long as you can reliably cast Zur and keep him around.
In terms of which counterspells I suggest, I would focus on low CMC, non creature counterspells. Counterspells like Negate or Dispel are easy to cast and can be used efficiently to protect Zur against opposing counterspells and instant speed removal. The higher cost counterspells (In terms of monetary cost) are also very strong as well, but that's more dependent on budget. Flusterstorm, Force of Will, Force of Negation, Mana Drain, and Pact of Negation are all fantastic if you can afford them, but spells like Mystical Dispute, Narset's Reversal, and just regular old Counterspell can get you there as well on a budget.
1 week ago
Been back to standard for a week and this deck has gotten me to diamomd on arena. Too much azure in diamond and had to mb 2 xopies of Mystical Dispute, and still doing fine. Will report back after the papers get here and I test run it at my LGSs.
2 weeks ago
My sideboard continues to change frequently. I have a 4th Archmage's Charm, Cyclonic Rift, and Day's Undoing at the ready. Surgical Extraction seems likely to stay in. But the rest are merely placeholders. I’m not exactly sure what I should replace them with. Pongify is still a valid option. Having early removal may prove highly beneficial. Mystical Dispute and Stubborn Denial are also useful counters against other blue/counter decks.
Now Relic of Progenitus is a very useful card, although is does have its drawbacks.
It can consistently remove cards from your opponents graveyard. But it’s second ability works against you because it will exile your graveyard as well. It does not work well with Day's Undoing. It is also not blue, nor is it an instant or sorcery, therefore you cannot combo it with Thing in the Ice Flip or exile it with Force of Negation.
Surgical Extraction Is nice, it can be cast for free, it can be cast at any time, it can also be recycled with Mystic Sanctuary. The downside is that you must always pay 2 life to cast it (this deck has no lifegain whatsoever). Both cards have their downsides and neither one fits exactly, although Surgical Extraction works slightly better for this kind of deck.
Vendilion Clique is a useful card on its own, yet it doesn’t fit exactly into the deck. I don’t have enough bounce in the deck to consistently utilize Clique’s ability several times over. Now the 3/1 flying is nice, but I already have that with Brazen Borrower. The upside to the Clique is that you get to look at your opponents Hand and get rid of a problematic card. However, Borrower can act as an Instant spell (Which can trigger Thing in the Ice Flip. Borrower can also remain in exile, this way it won’t be Bounced by Thing in the Ice nor will it be shuffled back into the deck by a Day's Undoing.
Kefnet the Mindful used to be in the deck. It was paired with Day’s Undoing to immediately become a 5/5 flyer. The problem is that he takes to long to setup. His 4 mana draw/land bounce ability won’t be useful until the late game. In the end, he ends up taking space in the hand or field, but doesn’t actually do anything (with a hand of 7 cards Kefnet is formidable, as soon as you start to play spells, Kefnet is useless again, essentially, Kefnet discourages spellcasting).
Aether Spellbomb was a card I enjoyed playing in the main deck. However, I found that it couldn’t combat every situation. Eventually it made its way into the sideboard as I needed to make space for Brazen Borrower (a mich more useful and potent card). Even though it has saved me in the past, I am thinking that it just can’t keep up with the rest of the deck. For one, it cannot be exiled with Force of Negation, for another, it is not an instant or sorcery, therefore it cannot trigger Thing in the Ice Flip. I think it has served it’s purpose in the past, but I don’t see it coming back into the deck.
This is what I would end up with when considering what I want to keep in my sideboard:
1x Archmage’s Charm 1x Cyclonic Rift 1x Day’s Undoing 3x Surgical Extraction 4x Mystical Dispute
I still have 5 slots left to fill.
I’m thinking about perhaps adding some sort of protection against burn decks, maybe some more countermeasures against other counter/control decks, and I also feel like my defenses against Aggro may need to be tightened up.
2 weeks ago
Sorin_Markov_1947 Yes, particularly Starfield Mystic. It was never a terrible draw, and it got down early and maybe murdered a creature blocking. His static ability was a bit useful, but he was always dead before his ability triggered or I could put his static to use on larger enchantments.
I agree Elspeth Conquers Death is pretty crucial. I expect to have those in here sooner rather than later. I think standouts included Flicker which was versatile as advertised. I used it to murder a huge Stonecoil Serpent. Narset worked. Teferi worked.
It's true Azorius control is what was causing problems for the most part. I think in those match-ups I would have preferred Dovin's Veto or Mystical Dispute over Destiny Spinner because it was my board wipes and Dance of the Manse getting countered that was causing the biggest problems. Some matches would have been won pretty easily because they had countered enough enchantments that Dance of the Manse was gonna go off big.
3 weeks ago
Hi, in your image of the deck it's a Bedlam Reveler but you don't have it in your list, in a prowess deck it's useful to use 1-2 copies to do a hand refill. Another suggestion in the main list it's to include Dig Through Time or Treasure Cruise, I prefer the Dig over Treasure, because can search deeper the 2 sparks or threats you need to finish the game and it's instant speed.
For your side I suggest the following cards, but remember that you must adapt it according with the metagame of where you play:
- 2 Abrade - Can be used to hit creatures and artifacts.
- 2 Aether Gust - can buy you enough time to kill you opponent.
- 2 Dive Down - protect you creatures and count for prowess
- 2 Sorcerous Spyglass - Can Give you information and turn off walkers and troublesome abilities.
- 2 Tormod's Crypt - Graveyard hate always important, normally it's better use Grafdigger's Cage but turns off the Arcanist.
- 2 Lava Coil - Removal that exile
- 2 Mystical Dispute - Cheap counter vs control
- 1 Negate - Cheap counter vs heavy non-creature spell decks.
4 weeks ago
hejtmane- Ah, I forgot about Flusterstorm. And Mystical Dispute seems good against other blue decks, but I forgot to mention that I don't play cEDH where I'm at (fewer blue decks I guess), so that will definitely influence some answers that I'll get. Thanks for the response!
4 weeks ago
1 month ago
Hey, good budget version of Niv.
Ophidian Eye is another combo enchantment to enchant Niv with. Consider cutting Curse of the Bloody Tome for Eye? With the difficult color casting cost of Niv and the less than ideal color fixing in the manabase consider Chromatic Lantern? To stay within the budget consider cutting That Which Was Taken for Lantern?
To help with color fixing in the manabase there's some budget lands to consider adding. Sulfur Falls, Shivan Reef, Wandering Fumarole, Ash Barrens, Grixis Panorama. These lands can help game play a lot more than $9 Caged Sun can. To stay within budget consider cutting Sun for these lands?
Evolve is not a very good mechanic in Commander because you want to consistently cast an Evolve creature early game to evolve as you cast other creatures. Consistently you're not going to have an Evolve creature to cast early and playing one mid/late game is not doing much. Evolve is a mechanic that benefits much with having 4x of same creatures in a deck which is not Commander. Consider cutting some creatures for a few more draw spells? Brainstorm, Opt, Frantic Search, Faithless Looting are budget good draw spells. Consider cutting Cloudfin Raptor, Simic Fluxmage, Petrahydrox, Ral's Staticaster for these draw spells?
Izzet colors at a budget are at a disadvantage for tutors, but there's some good cards that can copy an opponents tutor when cast letting you also tutor. Expansion / Explosion, Reverberate, Dualcaster Mage. These spells could also copy your own spell when you cast it. Consider cutting Wave of Indifference, Sundering Stroke and Reckless Air Strike for these copy spells? Talisman of Creativity and Izzet Signet are good budget two drop mana rocks. They could replace Heraldic Banner and Spinning Wheel.
In Commander you have access to good budget counterspells that don't have a restriction: Counterspell, Wizard's Retort, Arcane Denial. These counterspells could replace Scatter Arc, No Escape, Mystical Dispute.
I offer more advice. Good luck with your deck.