Creature — Beast
When Protean Hulk is put into the graveyard from the battlefield, search your library for any number of creature cards with total converted mana cost 6 or less and put them onto the battlefield. Then shuffle your library.
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Protean Hulk Discussion
2 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
If you want to make it more competitive, it might not be sexy, but the first and most important thing imo ist to lower the mana curve: For every card, ask yourself if a cheaper card exists that does about the same.
1-Mana Mana Dorks over more expensive stuff. they also fuel Meren really early, which really gets her going
Golgari Findbroker - too expensive. Meren does, that already
Zulaport Cutthroat - the deck doesn't look like it wins via this, so you don't need it
Blood Artist - same
Syr Konrad, the Grim - same - maybe I underestimate the chip damage from these but I really dislike these Cards, because the don't do anything unless they stay araound for a long time. If you only deal 20 damage to the table with blood artist style cards, which seems generous, you still don't win.
I would rather have a more reliable win condition, a combo to end the game asap or a really powerful value engine, that gives you the staying power, paired with a bit of stax, Mindslicer comes to mind, while you get some kind of beatdown (I like Creakwood Liege , Craterhoof Behemoth with a bit of a board also kill one to two people quite quick) or stuff like a few Kokusho, the Evening Star or Gray Merchant of Asphodel triggers.
Nature's Claim - my pet card
1 month ago
Hmm, this is strange. As far as I can tell, the endpanel and endaccordion lines are in the code, but it's not showing up in the description. I put the code for the description in a code box if you want to glance over it. Thanks for your help dude!
===accordion ===panel: Background I started playing Magic the Gathering back when Guilds of Ravnica was released. I bought 2 fat packs, and promptly built a Dimir surveil "standard" deck that was a steaming pile of hot poo. I then tried to "fix" it by adding in green, making it a sultai deck. This did nothing. However, ever since then, graveyard decks as well as the colors Black/Green/X have always had a special place in my heart. While I was assessing my commander decks, I realized I had never built a deck revolving around the graveyard, and I knew what I had to do. ===endpanel ===panel: Building the Deck To the Interwebs! I rushed to the computer to look on EDHRec to see what graveyard commanders there were. I already had a decent idea of what I was searching for. I had heard of [[Muldrotha, the Gravetide]], [[Meren of Clan Nel Toth]], as well as [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], but none of these seemed to speak to me. Going strictly Golgari seemed limiting, as there were many cards I wanted to play in blue. However, when I add blue to my decks, I always somehow turn it into a control deck, and I wanted this to be fun for the whole table. So, that idea sadly had to be thrown in the trash. I looked back over my options, and realized that I liked the idea of [[card:Karador, Ghost Chieftain]], I just didn't like how it limited you to one card per turn from the graveyard. So, I looked more into the Abzan colors, and found [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]]. It was exactly what I was looking for. ===endpanel ===panel: Gameplan With [[Nethroi, Apex of Death]], I would be able to fill my graveyard to my hearts content, then at the opportune moment cast my commander, reanimating most of my graveyard and turning the tide of the game. Ideally, I would win on the spot once I cast my commander, but since that is not always guaranteed, I added in some "stax" (not sure if that is the right word). Essentially just cards that would slow down my opponents until I can fill up my graveyard with the combo, then reanimate it again with Nethroi. ===endpanel ===panel: Winning the Game The main way this deck wins is through a combo involving [[Reveillark]], [[Karmic Guide]], a sac outlet such as [[Viscera Seer]], and a pinger, such as [[Blood Artist]]. Assuming all the pieces are on the battlefield, you can sacrifice the Karmic Guide to the sac outlet. Now, there is a [[Reveillark]], [[Viscera Seer]], and a [[Blood Artist]] on the battlefield, with a [[Karmic Guide]] in the graveyard. Then, you can sacrifice the [[Reveillark]] to the [[Viscera Seer]] to bring back the [[Karmic Guide]]. When the Karmic Guide enters the battlefield, it's ability will trigger, allowing you to bring back the [[Reveillark]], so you can repeat the process as many times as you need, until every opponent dies from [[Blood Artist]] triggers. <br> <br> While this deck may win through a combo, I don't want it to be as competitive as possible, as most of my playgroup is limited to a tight budget (College will do that to ya). ===endpanel ===panel: Budget In regards to budget, I'm trying to only buy <$100 worth of cards. I already own most of the cards in the deck, but any I don't I'll put in the acquire section. ===endpanel ===panel: Things I've Noticed/Help Needed A few things I've noticed when I goldfished a couple hands with this deck is that it's very mana hungry, and its early game presence is quite lackluster. I tried cutting cards to add in more ramp, but it's to the point where I love every card in the deck, and I can't bring myself to cut more (it was originally a quite hefty 148 card deck when I first drew up a rough draft). What do you think I could cut/replace to keep the core idea of the deck, while getting it down to 100 cards? It seems to be a little all over the place, and I keep noticing I don't have the right cards I need in my hand at the right time. Since this is my first Commander/EDH graveyard focused deck, what are your thoughts? What are things I can improve (besides the atrocious mana curve)? ===endpanel ===panel: Upgrades/Cards I'm Considering This is a list of potential upgrades for down the road, as they're too expensive for the deck at the moment:<br> [[Hermit Druid]]<br> [[Birds of Paradise]]<br> [[Protean Hulk]]<br> [[Fauna Shaman]]<br><br> This is the list of cards I'm considering putting in the deck: <br> [[Ancient Craving]] <br> [[Dakmor Salvage]] <br> [[Drownyard Temple]] <br> [[Night's Whisper]] <br> [[Painful Truths]] <br> [[Plumb the Forbidden]] <br> [[Sign in Blood]] <br> [[Village Rites]] <br> [[Brainspoil]] (can grab [[Karmic Guide]] or [[Reveillark]]) <br> [[Skullwinder]] <br> ===endpanel ===panel: Changelog This is just a spot for me to know what I took out for what, in the case that some cards I add underperform, or some are overperformers :)<br><br> 05/07/21 <br> -[[Fiend Hunter]] OUT for [[Leonin Relic-Warder]]. While Relic-Warder does not target creatures, it combos with [[Animate Dead]] and a [[Blood Artist]] effect.<br> -[[Morality Shift]] OUT for [[Skullclamp]]. Mortality Shift's 7 cmc is pretty high, and by the time I can cast it there are probably better things to do. Skullclamp allows me to draw cards, one thing that this deck is lacking, for a very low cost. <br> -[[Drannith Magistrate]] and [[Sun Titan]] are OUT. Magistrate was only in as a friend has several scary [[Golos, Tireless Pilgrim]] decks, and it shuts him down until he removes it. I'm still on the fence about Sun Titan. It IS a nice effect, but I'm struggling to justify the mana cost, and if I decide to reanimate it, there are generally better targets to reanimate. <be> -[[Fertilid]] OUT for [[Cultivate]]. While Fertilid is a pretty fun target for Nethroi's reanimate ability, I've found I'm struggling to cast Nethroi in the first place. ===endpanel ===endaccordion
1 month ago
Thanks for your suggestions, I truly find them very interesting!
About Yavimaya Granger , maybe I discarded him due to it's 3CMC and can't control when they die. But it's true that essentialy is similar to Dawntreader Elk or Diligent Farmhand . I think still prefer the Elk or the Farmhand for being more mana cheap to put onto the field (and so be recurred by Meren) and be able to control when they are sacrified. Many times Meren or another thing to take advantage of death triggers isn't in the field when I played an echo card.
Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire is very nice (and cool), specially in aggro decks, just I find that Fierce Empath works better in my personal build. Fierce empath allow me to access to my finisher creatures and at ETB for only 3 mana (Specially Protean Hulk , wich grants me insta win with combo, or just a removal card like Bane of Progress or Massacre wurm). Varragoth can grant me any card... but at a total of 5 cmc (3 play +2 boast), waiting 1 turn to attack (as in this deck I don't have many ways of giving haste) and waiting more to get that card from the top of the library... It's objectively more slower in this situation. In fact, I use Sidisi, Undead Vizier as a creature "direct tutor" (I saw you play her too, so I'm sure you have used her with success!). I know that argument would lead about including some kind of powerful tutor like demonic, etc... but they are a bit taboo in my playgroup (mostly due to economic reasons haha). Although Diabolic Intent could be accepted...
Don't get me wrong, Varragoth sure is awesome any deck, it's just more an aggro piece than a sacrifice/graveyard recursion one.
1 month ago
Hey Patrick, just wanted to say I love the content you're putting out, and you've really inspired me to start to look into Higher Power/cEDH decks to build for myself, my first high powered deck last year actually being a budget version of your Teshar list. Your videos are on repeat for me either in the background while I write papers. I would love to join the Patreon and support you, but I barely have enough funds to play magic even right now so that's out of the picture. All I can offer to you is my thanks is the statement that you're probably my favorite MTG YouTuber!
Please don't feel like you have to read any of the following, it's just my ramblings/a few questions but it may be a long read so I won't be offended if you don't read it, as I know you don't typically keep budget cards in mind persay. Also hey, if leaving a comment can maybe help this awesome deck of yours to get more traction/attention on tappedout for whatever reason, even better.
I've been building my own Belbe list over the last few days and I had a few questions about potential cards to include? I don't always play in a cEDH meta really but have some really close to cEDH decks like a more 75% Brago, a Malcolm, Keen-Eyed Navigator + Vial Smasher the Fierce Curiosity control, and Godo Helm fairly often. I'm hoping to transition more towards cEDH in general and with this deck in particular.
As a college student with no real source of income right now I'm a bit low on funds and we don't typically use proxies in my group, so I don't particularly know if this is a good spot to ask about budget alternatives to the Mike Trike combo, but I figured I might as well give it a shot. I've watched the Cold Brew and the deck tech, but if I forget if you mentioned something from them I apologize when asking about a few cards. Do you have any particularly budget combos you would suggest that maybe you tried during testing? I recall you talking about Gravecrawler loops in the Cold Brew, and I'm thinking of maybe some of those combos as with the Bontu's Monument , Pitiless Plunderer and Carrion Feeder (already in my list) would be a solid win I feel.
Currently I'm mainly running a Protean Hulk line of Disciple of the Vault , Carrion Feeder / Viscera Seer , Melira, Sylvok Outcast , and Lesser Masticore for infinite drain. My meta doesn't run much GY hate so I'm feeling decent with this, but losing one piece usually leads to waffling out. I know you mentioned a Phyrexian Delver line so I may look more into that, maybe getting it and and a one drop sac outlet first plus Putrid Goblin / Blood Artist with the leftover mana for the second Hulk trigger? I'm unsure if that's way too clunky, but I'll have to see.
My back up win is currently a Necrotic Ooze line or two, but not Triskelion / Phyrexian Devourer lines as both together are like, over $60 which is money I can't really shell out right now. Right now I'm doing Devoted Druid + Channeler Initiate and Priest of Titania + Pili-Pala lines for infinite mana of any color. Only current outlet I really have is Walking Ballista , which while good, I can't always rely on with all the artifact hate in my groups. I was thinking of adding more creature outlets maybe as they're easier for me to tutor (only black tutor I have is Diabolic Intent since I was able to trade up for one) Perhaps Ezuri, Renegade Leader since I have Belbe and other dorks (10 Elves Total) or Kamahl, Fist of Krosa as overrun effects that I can sink infinite into? Or maybe something like Tergrid, God of Fright Flip to use the back side for an infinite Torment of Hailfire effect?
There were also one or two cards I wanted to ask you about, just to see if you thought they were decent enough to run in the list.
Bolas's Citadel is something I'm trying to run in my current list. It's been fairly diffuclt to get out with 3 black pips, but with Dark Ritual (which may be cut soon I'm unsure) it's been a nice thing to have, especially when I've been testing Aetherflux Reservoir with it? Maybe add a Sensei's Divining Top (something out of my budget in general, but I do have someone willing to trade me one) for a storm win? I feel like that could be a cool win con that makes use of colorless mana, and the pieces in general aren't bad outside the combo? I do think that with the high CMC of the deck, I will take a ton of damage of Citadel, but I think hitting a few pingers/dorks in a row and just gaining some life might be good actually? I'd love some feedback on that.
Decree of Pain has been working wonders for me. I know Culling Ritual was a godsend, and its a very amazing card in Belbe, but if my meta is very creature dependant I thought I needed more mass removal than just Ugin, the Spirit Dragon and Culling Ritual . Toxic Deluge is a bit out of my range right now, so I was trying this and even if it is mana intensive, I think it's a very good card depending on your meta since it can be Cycled for 5 to kill all 2 or less tougness things? The cycling saved me once or twice against a Najeela deck with counter magic known to the table to be up. On the other hand while it costs 8, I've mostly payed for it with Belbe mana and drawn upwards of 6 cards off it.
Chalice of the Void I was able to trade for this and have been enjoying putting it on 0 for the Underworld Breach lines the Malcolm list uses in particular, or to even shut off some 3 cmc commanders after getting Belbe mana. Would it be better to trade this for another stax piece or two such as Static Orb or tanglewire?
Sorry for the long post. I hope you have a good day!
1 month ago
sorry for the spam
in my alti deck Ogre Battledriver , Brion Stoutarm , & Serra Avatar is my win con
i know this sounds like alot but with Maskwood Nexus its easy to fetch and loop
and cards like Worldly Tutor , Hoarding Dragon , Protean Hulk
to keep a long post short cus im at work and keep getting interrupted while typing
basically the deck just needs 3 eggs and any sac outlet to go off
1 month ago
Hey, well done with your version of Meren. You could increase the power level by adding a win condition combo that uses all creatures and you have lots of pieces already: Mikaeus, the Unhallowed , Viscera Seer , Blood Artist and Protean Hulk to get them.
Because you have Mikaeus, the Unhallowed then adding Walking Ballista gives you a combo to assemble with Protean Hulk : Mikaeus + Ballista + Viscera Seer . You can't assemble it with one Hulk trigger, but you can with two triggers which Phyrexian Delver is good for. Another combo: Mikaeus + Seer + Blood Artist + Lesser Masticore .
Some changes to consider:
- Walking Ballista --> Mitotic Slime
- Phyrexian Delver --> Journey to Eternity
- Lesser Masticore --> Yavimaya Granger
- Twilight Mire --> Jungle Hollow
Good luck with your deck.
2 months ago
MLS91 Yeah, I get that it can draw a card, but there are tons of 1 and 2 cmc ramp in the deck that can be dropped after playing Skyshroud Claim and paying the same cmc for tapped mana doesn’t seem worth the ability to cycle it to me.
Used to run Nissa, Who Shakes the World and just cut her because once i’m at 5+ mana I want to be playing big bois, not more ramp. That being said I do run Traverse the Outlands and that is just because it’s pretty easy to just grab ALL of my basics with it... that and it’s a power matters deck and I wanted to put every “equal to the greatest power” kind of card in I could. Either way, she’s always in and out of rotation. I’ll slot her into the maybe board to represent that.
Protean Hulk is basically for grabbing Loaming Shaman to shuffle my graveyard back in. With an instant speed sac outlet ( Momentous Fall , Greater Good , etc.) I can do it whenever I need to keep from decking myself. It can also grab any of the big mana dorks and removal ( Reclamation Sage , Kogla, the Titan Ape ). Last but not least it can grab various win cons (most notably Mossbridge Troll ) while also just being big enough that it doesn’t feel dead outside of those uses.
As for the rest, I have all of those in a competitive green deck I am working on and didn’t want to buy em all again, nor did i want to have too many tutors when I can just draw through my deck instead. That’s way more fun!
Thanks for the ideas! Some are certainly worth it if you want to tune the deck up a bit.