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You may cast Rout any time you could cast an instant if you pay more to cast it.
Destroy all creatures. They can't be regenerated.
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2 weeks ago
All in all, I like the 'package' you've built here.
I don't feel like cards that only have a single keyword add a significant value to the deck. That means Adorned Pouncer, Brimaz, King of Oreskos, Silverblade Paladin, Loyal Unicorn, Odric, Master Tactician, Soltari Champion and Deftblade Elite. Out of those, the most value would come from the two 2-drops for an aggressive curve early game. I would probably add Mirran Crusader and Burnished Hart as well, and Soltari Visionary is also worth some consideration.
Collective Effort and Phyrexian Rebirth are both... pretty mediocre, in my opinion. Maybe swap those for Rout and Planar Cleansing (or maybe Unexpectedly Absent) instead? I also don't think the deck really NEEDS Tithe and could maybe play something along the lines of Mind's Eye or Surveyor's Scope if you really need the early ramp. Oblation should maybe be Crush Contraband, since you're pretty good as far as creature removal goes. I would also highly recommend running Swiftfoot Boots, since Odric radiates both Haste and Hexproof and the former is especially valuable to you, imo.
In your mana base, there's really no excuse NOT to play all of Strip Mine, Tectonic Edge and Ghost Quarter so you can handle something like Gaea's Cradle or Volrath's Stronghold. You might also want to run Scavenger Grounds so you can do something against graveyards. Maybe add Sentinel Totem or Relic of Progenitus to that list for some consistency. You could also possibly run the cycling lands for white for some extra carddraw (at least the cycling desert seems worth it so you can exile graveyards twice?), but at some point you'll hurt your chances of activating Emeria.
IN: Soltari Visionary, Mirran Crusader, Burnished Hart, Rout, Planar Cleansing, Unexpectedly Absent, Mind's Eye, Crush Contraband, Swiftfoot Boots, Sentinel Totem, Strip Mine, Tectonic Edge, Ghost Quarter
OUT: Loyal Unicorn, Soltari Champion, Deftblade Elite, Collective Effort, Phyrexian Rebirth, Tithe, Oblation, Brimaz, King of Oreskos (the tokens don't get the bonuses, so they are kind of not great), Silverblade Paladin, Oblivion Ring (outclassed by other removal in your decklist), 4x Plains
3 weeks ago
1 month ago
StopShot: Sorry about the delayed response. I appreciate the thought that went into the comment and wanted to respond in kind.
So to start off (and I will bounce around with your suggestions to group them by function a bit) I will cover Kami of False Hope. I run Spore Frog as a bit of a niche card, but generally I don't deal much with combat decks. It's in there on the odd chance that I do, but most of my meta is full of infinite combo and I don't want to take up extra card spaces for a card which isn't going to add much value 99% of the time. Generally I can win faster than most beatdown decks can assemble and if I see them coming I can either use Yisan, GSZ, Chord or any other creature tutor to get frog. On the topic of Maze of Ith, I'm not overly a fan of the card personally. It's ok but I play a lot of combo and agin don't play against beatdown decks. It's ok in pillowfort lists, but I would rather a land that taps for mana. In this light, Urban Burgeoning isn't great, but if I ran it I would prioritise it on lands like Mikokoro, Center of the Sea or Gaea's Cradle. Don't get me worng, it's not a bad interaction, but it just feels like a lot of effort for not much value. And I would much rather find Skullclamp with Open the Armory. Divine Presence and Ensnaring Bridge kind if fit into the same category here, it's a lot of combat step prvention where my play group doesn't need it and more than that, most combo decks will have either an out that doesn't require attacking or an out that ends up with me having no permanents on the board, only to connect next turn.
There is always an issue with playing pillowfort cards in that they are proactive cards, but they only really stop an opponent from doing stuff to you. This means that you're expending resources on cards that don't in turn actively slow opponents down the way true stax would, which is not a plce you want to be in, For more casual play this is fine, but for games which the deck is designed for it is just a waste of turns and resources.
Authority of the Consuls is an interesting card. it is good at shuitting down a few combos, but it feels a bit too niche in this particular build. If this was a more staxcy build it would probably be quite at home here, however as a singleton stax card I would prefer Blind Obedience as I can use it as a combo outlet as well.
On the point of wraths, it's the same kind of thing as with Kami of False Hope. I don't want to clutter up my hand with a bunch of removal (especially redundant removal) that also puts me back a heap. I would rather run a bunch of cheap, single point removal which I can use to deal with key threats than to clear the board (whcih can lead to an opponent comboing out of the blue). Because sometimes stax cards are better in play, shutting down my opponent. And I like Wrath of God because it's a cheap catch all. Cards like Slaughter the Strong and Citywide Bust are nice because of their cost, however they miss a lot of key creatures. In more competitive games, the majority of creatures you see are a lot smaller (because larger creatures generally have prohibitive mana costs) and if you're going to the effort of wrathing you would rather just hit everything. I used to run Rout before I ran Wrath of God and while it is more expensive than Day of Judgment I think it would be my next goto, especially since it has instant speed mode which is in a lot of ways more valuable than just a second wrath.
For spot removal, you're right in that swords and path play centre stage. I have tried to run primarily instant speed removal to deal with other combo decks/being able to wait to the last second to break free and combo out myself. Darksteel Mutation isn't bad but my problem with it is slot space. I run Song of the Dryads which is basically a better version under most circumstances (as it hits more). If I needed more removal, mutation is the kind of card which could work its way into the deck however I do need to be careful not to flood the deck with removal (for the same reason as with pillowfort cards). Soul Snare and Condemn are both cheap to cast, however they only work when a creature is attacking. That is enough of a drawback to not run them.
I used to run Qasali Pridemage but in this list I cut it for Caustic Caterpillar. While you need to have 2 open for caterpillar, you can fetch it on turn one with Yisan, the Wanderer Bard which is super good. Don't get me wrong though, if I ever need more artifact/enchantment removal, it will be the first card to go back in. Seal of Cleansing and Seal of Primordium are less good versions of pridemage (creatures are easy to find) and Thrashing Brontodon/Sylvok Replica, while good, are too expensive as you spend 4 mana total to remove something.
I've seen the Scroll Rack + Land Tax combo before and have considered it in the past, but ultimately passed up on it. My problem with the combo is that neither of the pieces provide the card advantage the deck needs separately and while together they are quite strong, the deck lacks the ability to assemble said combo. On top of that, any artifact/enchantment tutors are better suited getting me direct win con lines rather than assembling value pieces. And while I can shuffle my deck with fetch lands, it's still not as consistent as you might think. Blinkmoth Nexus + Mask of Memory is a cute little package, however I have tried to focus on raw card advantage (i.e. cards that outright draw cards). And the value engines I do run are based off individual cards which add enough to the deck outside of those loops. Mirri's Guile has caught my attention on occasion, however ultimately I decided against it since it doesn't actually provide card advantage. And Sylvan Library and Sensei's Divining Top are bother better.
I hope this explains the card choices in the deck and while I have avoided running certain pieces. Don't get me wrong, the cards you have suggested aren't bad and some of the cards and card combos you've mentioned I might commandeer for some other decks (I like the Mask of Memory + Blinkmoth Nexus loop for canadian highlander) however for this particluar list and given my playgroup I have to be very specific on choices. But I appreciate the suggestions, they always force me to evaluate the deck and the particular choices I have made for it.
Grandmaster5327: I'm glad you like the list. The core of the deck isn't too expensive (minus the Phyrexian Altar) however a lot of the cost is sunk in the mana base and some specific cards (Survival of the Fittest, Mana Crypt, etc.). If you replaced these with some omre budget options, the overall price could be brought down much lower. While I haven't specifically put together a budget list, I am confident that you could get the deck down to the $300-$400 mark, which is a 5-6 fold reduction in price.
1 month ago
The thing is to build a saskia deck you have to do combat damage. Just trying to do such a thing in CMDR is hard. Because you can't just chip away at people and expect them to not get pissed off and do something about it.
So you need to build an army of creatures then do an alpha swing knocking out several opponents at once in hopes that it isn't stoped by a
So it's a tough build to do right. You want to have enough big fat creatures but enough anwsers for what youll encounter like someone putting
- Song of the Dryads on saskia
- Ghostly Prison
- Sphere of Safety and such other trubblesome things you'll encounter like No Mercy.
You see the problem is creatures are just so easy to deal with. So in order to make this a successful deck you also need ways to make them relentless with stuff that gives your creatures haste and graveyard stuff. Living End, Rise of the Dark Realms, Victimize, maybe some persist effects like Cauldron of Souls and undying stuff like Mikaeus, the Unhallowed but you can't make it easy to destroy your stuff so you'll need stuff like Avacyn, Angel of Hope, but thats not gonna stop exile. So you'll need stuff like Privileged Position, so they cant be targeted. But that's not stopping Terminus. Aaaannnd still, there's nothing you can do about Cyclonic Rift, or Toxic Deluge. But the Cyclonic Rift player will be waiting for that alpha swing, so you will have to be ready for it with a Red Elemental Blast and/or Pyroblast to counter it. But you'll still be getting blown out by a Toxic Deluge. So that's where the persist and undying come in also there's Rise of the Dark Realms
...In Garruk's Wake...
1 month ago
You might enjoy Rout as another board wipe option. I often find the ability to pop it off at instant speed to come in handy.
2 months ago
Swap Atarka, World Render with Xenagos, God of Revels as the Commander. She is way scarier as a source of Commander damage, especially if you get Xengos on the field, as she then becomes a one shot one kill Commander.
I'd also add in some ways to crack back against board wipes. Altar of Dementia is a personal favorite of mine. Oh you cast Rout at instant speed in my combat, cool lemme sack my board to the Altar and you can mill 30+ cards. My personal best is making some mill 78 cards using it. Greater Good is also fantastic for this as it gives you card draw. On a related note of card draw Lifecrafter's Bestiary would be a good fit here as well.
2 months ago
I have a mono white deck and my experience has been that it requires a lot of fine tuning to get it where you wants. I'm not sure your budget so I'll just throw down a bunch of ideas and you can pick what works.
I agree that Extraplanar Lens and Snow-Covered Plains can be helpful but in general you need some more white mana rocks. Marble Diamond, Tooth of Ramos, Darksteel Ingot, Pearl Medallion, Thunder Totem and Tithe can all help with this. Pillar of Origins maybe work too.
You need some removal, or at least restrictions. Swords to Plowshares, Path to Exile, Darksteel Mutation, Prison Term, Oblivion Ring are all options. Rout, Fumigate and Mass Calcify are great board wipes as well.
You could use some tribal support, Metallic Mimic, Adaptive Automaton and Thalia's Lieutenant are both creature based options. Herald's Horn, Door of Destinies, Coat of Arms, Heirloom Blade, and Kindred Boon
I hope this info is helpful
Brylon on Shalai EDH
2 months ago
shalai edh update number 2:
out :: 21
Azusa, Lost but Seeking is very expensive. I am very aware she is awesome, so I've added her to a maybeboard if I decide I want to further upgrade this deck. Flickerwisp and Glimmerpoint Stag are removed because I am largely removing flicker effects because the strat is not powerful enough in this deck.
Originally I wanted to take advantage of Shalai, Voice of Plenty's hexproof for planeswalkers, but I didn't make great picks on planeswalkers, and ultimately Karn, Scion of Urza, and Elspeth, Sun's Champion were really the only ones worth it. I can't reasonably afford Karn for this deck, so he has been moved to the maybeboard.
Flicker effects have largely been removed.
Flicker effects have largely been removed. In this case being sorcery speed makes them less valuable, because they cannot be used for avoidance. Fumigate is removed in order to make way for better mass removal.
It's just too expensive. Shalai, Voice of Plenty does the same thing, and I can just cast her from the command zone.
These are less valuable in a deck that is only 2 colors.
The first 4 of these are just bad, and the last 2 are being removed to make way for more plains.
in :: 21
Powerful spot removal that puts the card where the player can't get it.
Path of Ancestry is good for tribal. Reliquary Tower gives me no max hand size. Homeward Path protects me from effects that take my creatures. Emeria, The Sky Ruin lets me cheat back in dead creatures, and the Plains are added to support Emeria.