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Words of Waste
(1): The next time you would draw a card this turn, each opponent discards a card instead.
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Words of Waste Discussion
11 hours ago
First off I gotta say +1ed just for the primer alone. Great job incorporating the spider queen and the underdark into it. The decks damn good as well. Have you ever considered any of these cards for this build?:
- Mind Slash gives you another option in case someone exiles your sadistic hypnotist.
- Koskun Falls for another elephant grass effect.
- Dictate of Erebos (or should I say Dictate of Lolth?) to take advantage of the creature sacking you’ll be doing.
- Howling Mine and Font of Mythos to fill opponents hands just to make them discard again...maybe?
- Words of Waste to skip the extra draws from the above two possibilities then get those cards anyways from Necropotence lol.
5 days ago
SynergyBuild IAmTheWraith I happen to have picked up Liliana of the Veil from back when I thought I wanted to play Jund in Modern years ago, but flaked out after I realized it was going to be too expensive to build with the price of Tarmogoyf at the time haha! I love Lili and I'll see if I can fit her in without cutting something incredibly important to the strategy. Words of Waste can be an incredibly effective supplement that feels synergistic with Aminatou's draw effect and I might like to try and fit it in as well. You guys are totally right about adding more discard effects to the deck too, because I'd like to keep any sort of responses from players at bay if I can. Thanks for the suggestions! I love them!
Also, SynergyBuild, do you think I could potentially nominate this for a tier shift from High Power to Competitive? I know I don't have the most favorable matchups against Food Chain lists like Tazri or Prossh, but I intentionally left that sort of coverage out due to my meta and I think the list could be tweaked accordingly to become favorable or balanced in that respect. I know my list can use more fine tuning, and could include more budgetless oppressive effects like Nether Void and Chains of Mephistopheles for example, but I think this list conceptually could be in the running for Competitive tier placement given proper changes. What do you think?
5 days ago
Yeah, but DangoDaikazoku is on a budget, and even with the reprint, $78 ain't cheap for a card that is only okay. Necrogen Mists can be a budget replacement, but might be outclassed by Words of Waste, it depends on how you use it.
5 days ago
XD I forgot to upvote!
Did that, now I actually love this deck. After looking over your meta, only Teferi Chain Veil seems to be the unfavorable matchup, assuming it is the Highest tiered varient, and I still think you have good outs to that deck (Hex Parasite).
24 of your 27 matchups are favorable, 2 of them are balanced, and 1 is unfavorable. That is insane overall.
If this deck doesn't force other players to make major changes to their decks, have them outright ban you and your shenanigans, I think you can expect a lot of wins handed to you, given this deck mulligans well.
A couple suggestions, given you want to spend the money, I have found Liliana of the Veil to have good potential for discard as an engine, and can remove threatening creatures your hate cannot deal with.
Other walkers could help, but overall you have the 4 major ones, with Aminatou being the best ;)
I still feel like other control/stax lists will fall to your ability to crush opposing players mana and hand apart. Painful Quandary is a very clunky card, so I wouldn't run it, but Cunning Lethemancer isn't much better, really hampered by the fact that you run cards like Humility, Necrogen Mists might be the best option for another discard enchantment, but I would prefer something better than that.
I really think just a few cards like Smallpox or Pox could work, really making discard come from nowhere, I think Aminatou might have some good synergy with Words of Waste, but you still go back a card, because Aminatou forces you to put back a card, unless you are empty handed. Liliana Vess forces discard, but it targets the player, is clunky on mana, and is probably better as a tutor.
4 weeks ago
A few possible additions that would be good in this deck are:
- Cao Cao, Lord of Wei
- Fell Specter
- Nezumi Shortfang
- Mind Slash
- Raiders' Wake
- Bloodchief Ascension
- Quest for the Nihil Stone
- Shrieking Affliction
- Words of Waste
I know you don’t have much for creatures to feed mind slash if you like it but there are plenty of token producing enchantments in esper colors that can be Zured out that do make lots of tokens to feed it.
There’s a lot more I could suggest but won’t for now. I absolutely do love the direction you’re taking this Zur deck though. Very original. +1 from me.
1 month ago
1 month ago
Can ya'll help me out with a new deck I've been working on? It's based off of Nicol Bolas, the Ravager Flip. I cut 2 cards not sure what I want to add probably more board wipes. I'm also trying to fix my manabase so color screw isn't a problem and debating on whether or not to switch out Raiders' Wake for Words of Waste. Any other suggestions would be much appreciated.
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1 month ago
I like what you've doing here. I was thinking of trying a similar version of Xantcha that eschewed the standard fare of quasi-aikido/punisher effects.
Drownyard Temple becomes discard fodder into mid-game ramp.
Runehorn Hellkite becomes discard fodder into a late-game wheel effect.
That's all I've got for now. I'll likely reference your list for what I'll end up brewing. Thanks for putting it together.