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Words of Waste
(1): The next time you would draw a card this turn, each opponent discards a card instead.
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Words of Waste Discussion
3 hours ago
Earthcraft Nath Enchantress is my varient. This is a decently efficient version of a similar list, that uses Words of Waste, Oppression, Bottomless Pit, Mind Slash, Necrogen Mists, Thoughtrender Lamia, etc. to create a ton of tokens, and use them to Earthcraft your way to a million mana and win from there.
Wanna switch minds?
I quite like your version with Megrim and Quest for the Nihil Stone, etc. to punish on discard. Using Temple Bell, Rites of Flourishing and other such effects to give them more cards just to take them away for more effects on discard seems really cool! Do you have any problems with your opponents using those resources before you can remove them?
Also I need the Skullclamp I feel dumb for forgetting it!
1 week ago
Thank you all for the suggestions so far! I've taken a good many of these suggestions, and I can see this deck fleshing itself out more and more. Still need cards to remove to get to the legal 100 though
And yes, I agree with Thallion on the burn aspect of Liliana's Caress, Megrim, etc. At the very LEAST it's pairing with Nath who grants one discard at upkeep. I will gladly take 2 indirect damage per upkeep (With plenty of more room for discarding), and with a few of the combos in this deck, like Sadistic Hypnotist + Nath of the Gilt-Leaf and Geth's Grimoire + Words of Waste, you will not only be constantly clearing their hand full of answers, but dealing 2 or more damage for each card in the process. Then Quest for the Nihil Stone can come along to help finish the job.
I can agree it is not super fast in say a 1v1 setting where you're the only source of damage to that opponent, but in a standard 4-player game where players are also hurting eachother, I'd say these do some rather significant harm.
I also have to say I'm not necessarily excited about running Dark Deal but I will because it's just a sorcery? I feel like it kind of hurts the player too much to have them discarding as well, but for Dark Deal it is slightly more utility in that it can allow you to discard a bad hand and effectively mulligan in the midst of the game. And of course you make everyone else discard in the process.
1 week ago
Calyptic I had Words of Waste in there before but it never popped off the way I wanted it to, I still have it but now that I see the combo it has with Geth's Grimoire I will definitely consider it! Sometimes I run out of forced discard spells. Thanks mate
1 week ago
Would definitely recommend Geth's Grimoire to aid your card draw, as well as Words of Waste. With all this group card draw if you have the mana this is a gross move. Both combo well together if you've got the mana.
You're gonna need more card draw with all the "Everybody Discarding" effects. I'm running a Golgari EDH deck (About the same price as yours) that focuses on Discarding myself so I'm glad i'm not the only one who likes making people discard on a budget XD
2 weeks ago
Haha, I actually meant to mention Oloro to you as he seemed like something I thought you would like, I just forgot to. This will be a super slow, grindy deck. Many people will not enjoy playing against it. I'd love it, but it will be difficult to make friends as a newer player. :p
Cards like Caress and Megrim really require you to have ways to refill your opponents hand. Cards like, but not limited to Font of Mythos and Dictate of Kruphix will be your friend here. Also, look for as many recurring discard effects as you can. Look for creatures, enchantments, artifacts, and planeswalkers if at all possible. I recommend some of these:
Ramp is also important look for mana rocks such as Mana Vault or Thran Dynamo. Ramp on creatures can also be awesome. Talking about Nirkana Revenant and Crypt Ghast. Both of which combo exceedingly well with Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth.
1 month ago
Yeah we have very similar builds, but you are missing all of the fun Disco action with cards like Oppression, Painful Quandary, Words of Waste, and Necrogen Mists. Make it hurt with some Liliana's Caress, Megrim, and Raiders' Wake (I'm only using the latter because it's self activated). I thought Muldrotha was the perfect leader for my mass collection of elves so Nath of the Gilt-Leaf and Sadistic Hypnotist (honorary elf) fit in my list quite easily and cause people an abundance of pain. Also I'm surprised not many people are catching on... but every Muldrotha deck needs a Primal Surge because who doesn't like puking 1/3 of their deck into play for 10 mana. On a similar note, Genesis Wave also works, but its a bit more recursion friendly as you just mil the instants and sorceries.
2 months ago
2 months ago
Sorry for the double post, but you could also run grave hate cards like Relic of Progenitus, Tormod's Crypt, Crook of Condemnation, Silent Gravestone, and Leyline of the Void. Then use cards like Mindslicer, Duress, Oppression, Words of Waste, Hymn to Tourach, Painful Quandary, etc. to shred his hand and exile all of his auras. He might not like you for that though.