Words of Waste


Format Legality
Pre-release Legal
Noble Legal
Leviathan Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Magic Duels Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Vanguard Legal
Legacy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Planechase Legal
1v1 Commander Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Unformat Legal
Pauper Legal
Commander / EDH Legal

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Set Rarity
Onslaught (ONS) Rare

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Words of Waste


(1): The next time you would draw a card this turn, each opponent discards a card instead.

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Words of Waste Discussion

TheRedGoat on Nekusar, the Friendship Destroyer

1 month ago

I'll admit to using Blood for the exact same reason, and would further warn that the sanctuary should not be put out if you are already drawing heavy aggro, or if it is possible for somebody to quickly turn their aggro against you. I've routinely tried using the artifact for protection, only to have a hasty Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger coming my way. If your meta runs a lot of surprise beater decks I would avoid it for now (but it is symmetrical too in case you didn't notice).

For Words of Waste you have it correct, but last I remember they only apply per card drawn as opposed to per source of card draw, hence why I said they'd be so mana intensive. Basically waste would work super well with the Geth's Grimoire, but maybe less good with Wheel of Fortune. From my experience, the words of wind and war are beset used to save a permanent on my end of things, or to burn creatures with a repeated Shock respectively. And they do help make Phyrexian Tyranny very one-sided.

As far as the cycling enchantments go, I figure that Nekusar could be built to specifically work with discard and cycling over forced draw on the opponent, but it would require more of the deck than you could spare for the other infinite combos you're already running just because they've made so much more support for the playstyle. Not that you couldn't just take a trip to value town every time you discard in the cycle build, but it just wouldn't be an infinite stay there.

Maizena on Nekusar, the Friendship Destroyer

1 month ago

TheRedGoat, thanks for all the sugetions!

I used to run Sangromancer, but it was easily removed. I use Exquisite Blood instead now. Notice that I do not run Sanguine Bond for combo, EB is here only for defence. I may try Crumbling Sanctuary and see if it is worth the risk.

Geth's Grimoire is a strong card in Nekusar. In the late game it will be almost a wincon, since you'll be able to chain any wheels you have for a insane amount of damage. Consecrated Sphinx also works.

I'm not sure about some of the words.

  • I have a stack doubt about Words of Waste. If I cast a wheel, in response pay the word cost, the word resolves first, then the wheel. When the wheel resolves, will everybody discard the hand, draw a new one and only after this the word's ability go the stack and my opponents will lose their hands? If that's the interaction, I REALLY love this.

  • Words of Wind says "each player", right? So it affects me...I don't like this.

  • Words of War deals damage only to one player. I prefer something more "global".

Faith of the Devoted and Drake Haven will cost me a lot of mana, I think I have another cards in the deck to use this amount of mana and have better results. Besides, I REALLY like my combos! 8D

TheRedGoat on Nekusar, the Friendship Destroyer

1 month ago

So if you're going full multiplayer, I have 2 strong suggestions for defense in Sangromancer and Crumbling Sanctuary. The former speaks for itself, but the latter is obviously a much riskier option, although I can attest to the power fact that if it sticks you've essentially padded your life total with your library. Just watch out for straight life loss effects, as that gets around the artifact.

Speaking of, what are your thoughts on Geth's Grimoire? I personally find it can be very powerful in tandem with Words of Waste, but you don't run either that or Words of Wind or Words of War. They, like Faith of the Devoted and Drake Haven are a little mana intensive, but arguably are worth the investment. Trick is you'd likely have to cut your infinite combos to make any space, or else your more over the top utility cards perhaps? Idk, but I always like playing with the words of cards in my old Nekusar build, so I do have a slight bias towards using them.

Austin_Smith_of_Cards on Daxos stax

1 month ago

This appears to be more of a punishment-type enchantment list than Stax. If you want to go more down the Stax route, I'd advise pumping up on your number of mana rocks and decreasing your average cmc.

Stax is built on utilizing any of the tenants of Sac/Tap/Tax. For sac, I suggest Descent into Madness, Grave Pact, Tainted AEther, Martyr's Bond, and Porphyry Nodes. For tax, Aura of Silence also doubles as removal. For other powerful options, Humility + Night of Souls' Betrayal is pretty mean, and Lightmine Field shuts down token decks if your taxers aren't up.

If you want to add a handlock/discard theme, Necrogen Mists, Bottomless Pit, Oppression, and Words of Waste are all useful.

You probably want to include some additional Wrath/landscrew effects. Damnation, Decree of Pain, Wrath of God, and Infernal Darkness are all good.

Mana Vault and Gilded Lotus are powerful tools to help you outresource opponents, especially after an Armageddon. It would also probably be worth it to include Orzhov Signet.

Tinker until you come across a build that feels right. Happy brewing!

ArchangelAlchemist on Optimal Discard Spells for Damia, ...

2 months ago

Words of Waste combos well with Damia as well as Geth's Grimoire. Words of Wind can reset things or demolish your opponents when combined with the many discard effects you already run.

Pieguy396 on Optimal Discard Spells for Damia, ...

2 months ago

I suppose discard is a viable strategy with Damia, although I would be sure to ask your playgroup ahead of time if it's OK that you play heavy discard. It's generally considered one of the most annoying archetypes to play against, along with archetypes like Stax.

Assuming your group is fine with it (or you decide to ignore them lol), I agree with Necrogen Mists and Words of Waste, although I'm not sure what else I would add.

theindigoeffect on Optimal Discard Spells for Damia, ...

2 months ago

Since Damia, Sage of Stone has built-in card advantage, I wanted to avoid slotting in card draw for myself and focus on creating card disadvantage for my opponents.

Basically, my deck will be divided into five parts: lands, ramp, card disadvantage, disruption/removal, and synergistic win-cons (mill, mass recursion, etc.)

I already have a variety of different discard cards in my possession, but since this isn't a hellbent deck, and I don't want to dedicate a large percentage of my deck to recursion, I'm thinking that cards like Necrogen Mists and Words of Waste would be better suited to the task than cards like Mindslicer. I know that Damia, Sage of Stone will replenish my hand, but I don't want to lose a much-needed card.

What do you guys think? Is discard even a viable strategy with Damia, Sage of Stone? I personally don't care for Nath of the Gilt-Leaf.

rdeller on Liliana, Defiant Discard

2 months ago

Words of Waste got cut when I added Winter Orb + Static Orb. Ultimately it never lived up to expectations. Oppression was an extremely early cut. It always felt like win-more overkill, and keeping hands empty is never something Ive struggled with while piloting the deck in its current state. Deserted Temple is definitely something Ive consideredsince it can go nuts with Cabal Coffers, and and tested with on and off. Maybe in the future Ill add it to the deck officially, but my big issue is that I dont want to clutter my manabase with too many lands that dont produce black mana, and I currently value Strip Mine, Ancient Tomb, Geier Reach Sanitarium, & Drownyard Temple more. While casting Liliana ASAP isnt always the correct play, I always want the ability to drop her turn two or three, and her double black cost has me cutting down quite a bit on the colorless producing support lands.

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