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Words of Waste
(1): The next time you would draw a card this turn, each opponent discards a card instead.
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Words of Waste Discussion
1 month ago
Wow, thanks for that detailed answer, triproberts12!
I already bought the deck meanwhile (just could not resist xD) but since I own a Phyrexian Tower from Ultimate Masters and run it in my Kokusho deck I replaced a swamp with it (just didn't think about it when I made the decklist and remembered it some days ago), I also replaced the Ashnod's Altar with Phyrexian Altar at the same time because they have the same mana cost and it gives me black mana.
I would love to add No Mercy (also to my Kokusho deck and simply ever black deck I own) but I am not at the moment out of money reasons. My Intention with Maddening Imp is to destroy creatures I don't want to see against me with summoning sicknes right away (unlike Nettling Imp Maddening Imp affects them as well). Maybe it will be a bit clunky and I'll replace him but I will have to see how it does in play.
Cover of Darkness seems pretty nice, I really will concider it! Although the Whispersilk Cloak was mainly to be able to hit with Master of Cruelties but maybe I will replace those again if I don't see it working. Shizo, Death's Storehouse looks very nice as well (my playgroup is running a lot of black though) but if it's not too expensive I might add on my next purchase. Especially because it is so much better than Rogue's Passage as you say.
I even got a Blood Crypt from Ravnice Allegiance but I'm not a greatfriend of the shocklands or signets, can't really say why xD
I don't know if Koskun Falls would be so great since I don't run that many creatures. The Haunt of Hightower I added mostly because I got it for free and it fits in a little. Maybe you're right about Words of Waste but I will have to see how it does when beeing played. I still have a couple of ideas on the maybeboard from my earlier versions of the deck. For example Sire Of Insanity would be great but I'm still a little bit too afraid really count it in.
Btw, I even bought the Syphon Mind in foil ;)
Thanks again for the great answer, I really appreciate it, because I rarely get answers on my decks!
1 month ago
I really like what you've done here, and I vote you build this deck. I can tell that, despite not having played very long, you've done your research. Haven't even seen Balduvian Warlord in a list yet, and it's some great tech. Plus you're running my favorite black card in EDH, Syphon Mind! Such value.
As for what to add, I think you could use another sac outlet or two for when Xantcha comes back to you after a player dies. Phyrexian Tower is a good investment. It only recently went from like $60 to $10 from the reprint, and I don't see it being reprinted any time soon.
Some other good cards to encourage combat and keep yourself protected are Koskun Falls , since it's the only Ghostly Prison in BR. No Mercy is a great deterrent, as well. Also, Maddening Imp is fun tech, but you can force combat more broadly with Angel's Trumpet , Fumiko the Lowblood , Goblin Spymaster , and Warmonger Hellkite .
As for helping Xantcha hit the mark, Cover of Darkness is excellent. Gotta love the old tribal cards that affect other player's creatures, and you're unlikely to get much splash effect from naming "Minion." Although, if you want to capitalize on it, Chainer, Dementia Master , Sleeper Agent (the OG Xantcha), and Phage the Untouchable could all play well into what you're doing. Chainer for the abundance of dying creatures. Agent, since no one will want to block it and for that sweet, sweet flavor. Phage, since no blockers should be a goal in your deck. Either way, Cover of Darkness should replace Whispersilk Cloak , since you can't equip creatures you don't control. Shizo, Death's Storehouse could also be good.
I think you could use a little more mana fixing, as well. Blood Crypt is unlikely to ever get cheaper than it is now. Temple of Malice is nice, and if you find yourself leaning black, Tainted Peak could be a good include, as well. Also, Rakdos Signet seems like a given.
As for cuts, I don't think Hissing Miasma is that great. Koskun Falls and No Mercy are much better deterrents. Shizo, Death's Storehouse is more mana-efficient than Rogue's Passage , and makes black mana, to boot. The Haunt of Hightower just seems too slow to be worth the cost if you're not building around it. Words of Waste seems like a loosing battle, since you'll need to be paying 3 mana to draw with Xantcha and activate the ability, so for every two times you combo, you're paying 6 mana and putting your opponents down 2 cards each and drawing 0 cards. For that 6 mana, you could just draw three cards, instead.
1 month ago
I might be wrong, but I'm pretty certain Necropotence and Words of Waste / Words of Worship doesn't make a combo. Necropotence doesn't actually draw you cards so these cards won't work. Revealing a card and putting it in your hand doesn't equal draw in MTG. Overall very cool deck though.
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2 months ago
The first thing I would recommend is finding a way to copy your namesake card the turn it's cast. Copies aren't cast, so both will resolve! It's pretty expensive, so having onboard ways are the best. Primal Amulet Flip is probably the best. If you utilize spell based ramp and tutors, you should be able to flip it. Swarm Intelligence , The Mirari Conjecture could also work.
Since you're not planning on using your hand or lands into the late game, you might as well have onboard tricks that use those resources.
To use your hand, you could play Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace , Words of Waste , Null Brooch , Restore Balance , Jolrael, Empress of Beasts , Mageta the Lion , Stronghold Machinist , Stronghold Biologist , Greel, Mind Raker , Alexi, Zephyr Mage , Notorious Assassin , Knollspine Invocation , Pyromancy , and Magus of the Balance .
2 months ago
Dude. This looks super fun to play. I also think this might be the only deck I have seen play Chains of Mephistopholes and not cringe a bit. Every time I run that card it ends up screwing me over too.
How does the Mindslash Sliver work for you? I haven't played against that many Muldrotha decks in my meta.
2 months ago
Hey, to expand on what others have commented on about the manabase here's some budget playable lands to consider adding. All my suggestions will be $4 or less (most are $2 or less).
- Command Tower: every multi color deck in Commander should play this land.
- Exotic Orchard
- Crumbling Necropolis
- Sunken Hollow: Battle lands have good interaction with lots of Basic lands.
- Smoldering Marsh
- Tainted Peak: good interaction with lots of Swamps.
- Tainted Isle
- Shivan Reef
- Graven Cairns
- Foreboding Ruins: good interaction with lots of Swamps.
- Reliquary Tower
Other cards for the discard theme to consider adding:
- Waste Not
- Quest for the Nihil Stone
- Words of Waste
- Dark Deal
- Magus of the Wheel
- Thief of Sanity
Budget staples in Grixis colors to consider adding:
- Faithless Looting
- Chaos Warp
- Fellwar Stone: every three or more colored deck in Commander should play this mana rock.
- Animate Dead
- Mystic Remora
- Notion Thief: deny your opponent large draws.
I offer more help. If you like some of these suggestions I can help you to make cuts.
Good luck with your deck.
Words of Waste occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.0%