MTG Combo: Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond

This is a legitimate combo that does not end the game in a draw unless another player controls a Platinum Angel. As long as every other player dies you win the game.

Discussion

SonicRPika on Legion Unleashed

2 weeks ago

Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond is a cute combo, but feels too slow for Modern. Same with Mastermind's Acquisition. The blue splash for Countersquall doesn't seem worth it either, and you have too many 2- and 3-ofs.

Personally, I'd maybe add some Path to Exile if you have any. Erase is a sideboard card. And Elesh Norn is too costly for this deck. I'd add more Mardu Shadowspear if you want to be more agressive, and more anthem effects if you want a more go-wide gameplan.

Personally, not really a deck I'd want to play. But could be fun at the kitchen table, especially with some work

Kaleb_H99 on Meren Death Means Nothing to Me

4 weeks ago

ZendikariWol and bushido_man96 to explain the mana curve, 1/3 of my deck is lands, the second 1/3 has CMC of 1-3 which I have found that I have no trouble finding creatures and other cards that I can cast. The last 1/3 of my deck has CMC 4-9 and I decided to keep the mana curve static. The reason being is this entire deck involves interacting with my graveyard and being able to play cards for free so it doesn't bother me having multiple CMC expensive cards. I've been playing this deck a lot lately and haven't found myself struggling for mana in any way. bushido_man96 I have actually found if anything, I have too many sacrifice outlets because I can recure them quickly and the reason for having the sacrifice outlets is to build my experience counters or put creatures into my graveyard for an ETG ability or recure for an ETB ability. ZendikariWol I'll start explaining your list of cards. Carnage Tyrant yes that is exactly the purpose is to be a finisher. It's a large creature that I can continue to play and recure, however if you do have a better card let me know! Elvish Piper I will admit I don't play at much as I thought I would in this deck, but the times I find myself playing it are the times that I need it the most. I previous discussed that there are multiple higher end CMC cards. Elvish Piper let's me play a large creature from hand for free, then I can cast a large creature regularly, then recure a large creature with Meren. Kessig Cagebreakers like you said it is a really good card that gets me a ton of tokens that I can use for sacrifice outlets, chump blockers, to combo with Craterhoof Behemoth, or just overrun opponents with. Grave Titan I will have to disagree about it only being a decent card. I can play him, attack with him, sac him, then recur him for 6 2/2 zombies in one turn. Do I get those results every time I play him, no, but a large creature with deathtouch that provides tokens has been extremely useful in this deck. Gray Merchant of Asphodel yes in the early game I won't be keeping as much permanents on the board, but this card isn't meant to be used as much until later in the game, however even if I played this card where I only had Meren and the Merchant that is 3 black devotion, and with commander games you usually have 3 opponents which means dealing 3 damage a piece while gaining 9 life. Nemesis of Mortals yes another game finisher, but I find I can also play it early for 2 green mana and getting a 5/5 creature which isn't a bad thing. Pelakka Wurm can be a finisher, but another card which I can play, gain 7 life, sacrifice to draw a card, then recure for another 7 life. Oracle of Mul Daya is a mana ramp card that's a creature which means recuring it if I need it. For this entire deck to synergize I need to run more creatures so I don't have many mana rocks. Oracle helps finding the extra lands I need and helps get lands onto the battlefield quicker so I have less lands in hand and more cards I can play. Sidisi, Undead Visier and Rune-Scarred Demon were both cards I was considering and I chose Rune-Scarred Demon because it was a flier. However I really do like Sidisi, Undead Visier because it includes a sacrifice outlet and has Deathtouch. Stonehoof Chieftain is another game finisher, the start of the game is more focused on building up my engine, mid game is locking out opponents and taking control, end game is to completely take out opponents. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is a way to lock out opponents, yes it does receive a lot of hate from opponents, but with this deck I don't care if it is killed because I can recure him. The bonus is getting double mana and being another large creature. Rise of the Dark Realms is the ultimate game finisher. Within my Sacrifice creatures it includes my opponents sacrificing creatures so I always get value out of playing Rise of the Dark Realms. It creates a full board that I can fully swing out with and finish the game. I like Jarad's Orders and is actually not a card I've considered before. I'll have to think about including it because it only applies to creatures and there are times the card I want to put in hand isn't a creature. Conjurer's Closet I've only been able to play a couple times in game, so I don't have a good idea of how well it works in the deck yet, but it helps repeating an ETB effect. Exquisite Blood I will admit to being a strange inclusion and I debated putting in the Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond combo. I also debated just having Sanguine Bond over Exquisite Blood but decided to keep it because it can happen any time an opponent loses life, not just when I deal damage to them. Deadbridge Chant is actually extremely good in this deck, it puts cards into my graveyard, and I've only not gotten a creature card a couple of times. Palace Siege hasn't been as useful because it puts the card back into hand but it better in mid and end game because I will have enough mana for it. This explains some of the issues pointed out, and I really appreciate your inputs! However, based of the times I've played it so far I've not had any problems really. There are always going to be better cards out there too, but I've pointed this more toward the playstyle of my playgroup. If there are changes that I need to find, I'll always look at the suggestions you guys have posted though. Thanks again!

Kaleb_H99 on Meren Death Means Nothing to Me

4 weeks ago

ZendikariWol and bushido_man96 to explain the mana curve, 1/3 of my deck is lands, the second 1/3 has CMC of 1-3 which I have found that I have no trouble finding creatures and other cards that I can cast. The last 1/3 of my deck has CMC 4-9 and I decided to keep the mana curve static. The reason being is this entire deck involves interacting with my graveyard and being able to play cards for free so it doesn't bother me having multiple CMC expensive cards. I've been playing this deck a lot lately and haven't found myself struggling for mana in any way. bushido_man96 I have actually found if anything, I have too many sacrifice outlets because I can recure them quickly and the reason for having the sacrifice outlets is to build my experience counters or put creatures into my graveyard for an ETG ability or recure for an ETB ability. ZendikariWol I'll start explaining your list of cards. Carnage Tyrant yes that is exactly the purpose is to be a finisher. It's a large creature that I can continue to play and recure, however if you do have a better card let me know! Elvish Piper I will admit I don't play at much as I thought I would in this deck, but the times I find myself playing it are the times that I need it the most. I previous discussed that there are multiple higher end CMC cards. Elvish Piper let's me play a large creature from hand for free, then I can cast a large creature regularly, then recure a large creature with Meren. Kessig Cagebreakers like you said it is a really good card that gets me a ton of tokens that I can use for sacrifice outlets, chump blockers, to combo with Craterhoof Behemoth, or just overrun opponents with. Grave Titan I will have to disagree about it only being a decent card. I can play him, attack with him, sac him, then recur him for 6 2/2 zombies in one turn. Do I get those results every time I play him, no, but a large creature with deathtouch that provides tokens has been extremely useful in this deck. Gray Merchant of Asphodel yes in the early game I won't be keeping as much permanents on the board, but this card isn't meant to be used as much until later in the game, however even if I played this card where I only had Meren and the Merchant that is 3 black devotion, and with commander games you usually have 3 opponents which means dealing 3 damage a piece while gaining 9 life. Nemesis of Mortals yes another game finisher, but I find I can also play it early for 2 green mana and getting a 5/5 creature which isn't a bad thing. Pelakka Wurm can be a finisher, but another card which I can play, gain 7 life, sacrifice to draw a card, then recure for another 7 life. Oracle of Mul Daya is a mana ramp card that's a creature which means recuring it if I need it. For this entire deck to synergize I need to run more creatures so I don't have many mana rocks. Oracle helps finding the extra lands I need and helps get lands onto the battlefield quicker so I have less lands in hand and more cards I can play. Sidisi, Undead Visier and Rune-Scarred Demon were both cards I was considering and I chose Rune-Scarred Demon because it was a flier. However I really do like Sidisi, Undead Visier because it includes a sacrifice outlet and has Deathtouch. Stonehoof Chieftain is another game finisher, the start of the game is more focused on building up my engine, mid game is locking out opponents and taking control, end game is to completely take out opponents. Vorinclex, Voice of Hunger is a way to lock out opponents, yes it does receive a lot of hate from opponents, but with this deck I don't care if it is killed because I can recure him. The bonus is getting double mana and being another large creature. Rise of the Dark Realms is the ultimate game finisher. Within my Sacrifice creatures it includes my opponents sacrificing creatures so I always get value out of playing Rise of the Dark Realms. It creates a full board that I can fully swing out with and finish the game. I like Jarad's Orders and is actually not a card I've considered before. I'll have to think about including it because it only applies to creatures and there are times the card I want to put in hand isn't a creature. Conjurer's Closet I've only been able to play a couple times in game, so I don't have a good idea of how well it works in the deck yet, but it helps repeating an ETB effect. Exquisite Blood I will admit to being a strange inclusion and I debated putting in the Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond combo. I also debated just having Sanguine Bond over Exquisite Blood but decided to keep it because it can happen any time an opponent loses life, not just when I deal damage to them. Deadbridge Chant is actually extremely good in this deck, it puts cards into my graveyard, and I've only not gotten a creature card a couple of times. Palace Siege hasn't been as useful because it puts the card back into hand but it better in mid and end game because I will have enough mana for it. This explains some of the issues pointed out, and I really appreciate your inputs! However, based of the times I've played it so far I've not had any problems really. There are always going to be better cards out there too, but I've pointed this more toward the playstyle of my playgroup. If there are changes that I need to find, I'll always look at the suggestions you guys have posted though. Thanks again!

Kogarashi on lose life to win

4 months ago

You're off to a decent start, I'd say. Your curve looks good, though you're mana base is a bit weak at the moment (you should be running about 40 land for consistency). Some commentary as I took notes:

Heliod, God of the Sun doesn't seem to fit with the overall theme of the deck. You'd be better off with a card that will give you lifelink creatures or something, to help offset the life-loss from your various effects. Whip of Erebos would be my pick for this deck.

Blood Tribute is going to want more vampires, which are kind of slim in your deck at the moment.

Brainspoil is...poor removal. I would remove it. Killing Wave, on the other hand, is a good choice for sweep, and Remorseless Punishment and Temporal Extortion are nice. I like Near-Death Experience as an alternate win-con, but Path of Bravery is going to hamper that, especially since you don't appear to have super-consistent lifegain.

You have...two? infect cards. I would remove them since infect is really an alternate win-con that you aren't geared toward. Diseased Vermin might make for an alternate rat if you must have a rat, especially if you can give it evasion somehow, and it works with lifelink. It's not a strong pick for the deck, though.

Knight-Captain of Eos wants more soldiers. There are quite a few vampire soldiers, and some of them would work well in this deck. Vicious Conquistador is one that works with your theme.

Seekers' Squire doesn't really seem to fit any of your themes.

Wall of Shards short-circuits your life-drain by giving increasingly large amounts of life to opponents. You don't need it. I would also skip the Hyena Umbra and Hatred.

As for further suggestions, things with Extort are good. There's always the Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond combo, which can also use Vizkopa Guildmage in place of Sanguine Bond.

Other suggestions:

Ones that work somewhat with the life drain: Defiant Bloodlord, Retreat to Hagra, Thrull Parasite, Bontu's Monument, Kambal, Consul of Allocation, Underworld Coinsmith (this would be a reason to keep Heliod, actually), Zulaport Cutthroat, and maybe Vizkopa Confessor

Others that pay life or give you life somehow: Arguel's Blood Fast  Flip, Chainer, Dementia Master, Cruel Sadist, Phyrexian Reclamation, Vona, Butcher of Magan, and Elenda, the Dusk Rose (for working with your creatures dying).

All of this, of course, is subject to what you're willing to buy, and you don't have to listen to anything I say. It's your deck, after all.

Starsky2814 on Protean Chromium, Elder Dragon

4 months ago

I finally got to get some games in with Chromium! Official record is 2-0 before putting it away. First game was a little slow and won on turn 8, but I need to talk about game two. I pulled off a “W” on turn 4! Not bad for a “slow” commander. Here is how the game played out.

Opening hand: Mana Crypt, Swamp, Underground Sea, Talisman of Progress, Traumatize, Exquisite Blood and Replenish.

Turn 1: Draw Fellwar Stone, land drop Underground Sea, cast Mana Crypt, tap it to cast Talisman of Progress, tap that and land to cast Fellwar Stone. End turn.

Turn 2: Lost 2 life on failed coin toss. Draw Mana Confluence, land drop Swamp, cast Exquisite Blood. End turn.

Turn 3: Won coin toss. Draw Dark Ritual, land drop Mana Confluence, cast Chromium, the Mutable. End turn.

Turn 4: Won coin toss. Draw Auramancer's Guise. Tap Swamp to cast Dark Ritual, used the in mana pool in combination of tapping Underground Sea and Talisman of Progress for the , to cast Traumatize and mill myself 44 cards. Tapped out to cast Replenish to reanimate tons of lost auras and with it Sanguine Bond. Swung Chromium, the Mutable and won with the win con of Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond !

What a fun game!

Pengutim on Raining Blood

4 months ago

Yep, exactly SynergyBuild. Also works with Cliffhaven Vampire, which is a great add if you have lots of life gain in the deck.

Depends on your meta whether infinites are allowed etc. My Edgar is primarily a hit in the face deck with a go wide strategy (flood with tokens) but I have Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond and Cliffhaven Vampire + Exquisite Blood as alt wincons.

Starsky2814 on Protean Chromium, Elder Dragon

5 months ago

In the budget build, the combo of Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond , was changed to Bloodchief Ascension + Mindcrank . But that should be changed for a cheaper combo if possible.

If Replenish, were to be removed. It should take it down to the allotted budget.

Starsky2814 on Protean Chromium, Elder Dragon

5 months ago

Thank you, SynergyBuild and skoobysnackz.

Tunman, like SynergyBuild stated. I also, didn’t find Vanishing too beneficial in this case. It is an option for protection, if extra is needed for certain metas. Right now, for me, the flex Auras that can be swapped out for alternate spells are, Predator's Gambit, Indestructibility and Spirit Loop. So if this were to be used as a blueprint. Those spells are good as gone for other flavor spells.

jesusaintnodj, thanks for the +1! I’m glad you enjoy the build! SynergyBuild, did mention before that I should add an infinite combo. So by popular demand, I’ll do just that. I’ll add Exquisite Blood + Sanguine Bond . Also, I have been playing around with a couple prototype builds based on this. One that is the “Control Edition” and the other I have dubbed the “Time Walk Edition.” Time Walk Edition, includes Nexus of Fate, Time Warp, Temporal Mastery, Temporal Trespass, Karn's Temporal Sundering, Temporal Manipulation, Capture of Jingzhou and Walk the Aeons. Cards that I cut for those are, Predator's Gambit, Indestructibility, Spirit Loop, Gilded Lotus, Consecrated Sphinx, Hero of Iroas, Kor Spiritdancer and Sram, Senior Edificer.