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When Mindslicer is put into a graveyard from play, each player discards his or her hand.
1 hour ago
I know this is thread is quite old however I've been consistently playing/adapting and updating my Meren list for quite some time. It is about a 75% competitive build. I run a small stax package that I use to control the game until I assemble my win con of either looping Gray Merchant or a Mikaeus, the unhallowed + Triskelion combo.
These are some of my favorite cards
A) Mindslicer – Very powerful effect that can either protect your combo, or slow your opponents down to a crawl. Meren can rebuild a lot quicker than most other decks. Also note that a Meren + 4 experience counters + a sac outlet + mindslicer can lock the player beside you out of the game except for instants by recurring mindslicer on your end step then sacrificing it at the end of your opponents draw step.
B) Crypt Rats – This acts as a mini board wipe that can easily be tutored for and recurred by Meren.
C) Nature's Revolt – The CMC is high and there are games where it isn’t feasible but with crypt rats it becomes an Armageddon and with Massacre Wurm it usually just means game over. Meren is extremely good at rebuilding and this affect usually doesn’t slow Meren down that much. Note that with Natures revolt in play all lands have summoning sickness so it also acts as a pseudo stax piece. This card also discourages other players from using wraths because they will blow up their own lands.
Natures Revolt can backfire and allow someone to kill your best lands so it requires the right situation to play. It is a high risk high reward card that I enjoy playing with.
D) Contamination – a stax piece that can protect your combo / let you grind out a victory.
E) Yawgmoth, Thran Physician – This card does everything you want in Meren. Sac outlet, Draw engine, creature removal and discard outlet. It also goes pseudo infinite (1 life per sac) with Mikaeaus and 2 non humans. I’m currently testing a secondary Hulk package in my deck that gets Phyrexian Delver + Viscera seer -> Delver returns Hulk -> Sac Hulk to get Mikaeus, the unhallowed -> Sac Delver, undying will trigger and return it to the battlefield recurring Hulk -> Sac Hulk to get Yawgmoth, Blood Artist, Dryad Arbor. This is not optimal but it gives me a redundancy.
Some of these strategies are quite oppressive. My mentality is that I’m fine using them as long as I can win the game quickly after employing them
5 days ago
Ashiok isn’t a pet card in Muldrotha, it’s a beast. I didn’t netdeck my deck too but seems like I hit the nerve. I play only 4 non-permanents and this works totally fine. Started with around 10-11 but I didn’t like that. Milling a sorcery felt like a lost card. So I left only spells with s powerlevel high enough to make it worth using a witness for them. I’ve done more into controlled selfmill like Hedron Crab and Mesmeric Orb as well as some sac outlets and creatures that beg to die like Aura Thief and Mindslicer . It’s a pretty control heavy deck with a few more wincons, left trike out because mike and trike is a boring way to win for me and my playgroup banned instant win combos with 3 cards or less. My combos are more complicated but I don’t aim for a combo win anyways even if it’s possible. Feel free to take a look st my list if you want to.
5 days ago
Mono black decks can take advantage of some very specific cards: Jet Medallion , Caged Sun , and Contamination (if you're feeling spikey), Cabal Ritual , and Bubbling Muck . The rituals hurt a lot less due to Villis's amazing ability to draw cards. Heartless Summoning is also a fantastic creature ramp card when your deck is composed primarily of large creatures like demons, however it prevents you from keeping x/1 creatures around. In my opinion it is VERY worth it because there is little difference between an 8/8 and a 7/7 but saving 2 mana on every creature makes a huge impact.
Mindslicer makes everyone hell bent but you will often pull ahead with Villis afterward so it could be a decent include.
Villis costs ALOT of mana and adding commander tax to that makes it crippling so I suggest including some ways to cheat him into play through reanimiation or other tricks. Geode Golem and Command Beacon can get Villis out of the command zone much sooner than normal and you can abuse Black's amazing reanimation spells to cheat him into play more efficiently than returning him to the command zone. Chainer, Dementia Master , Animate Dead , Dance of the Dead , Reanimate (also draws you 8 cards after he enters!!), Strands of Night , there are so many more I haven't listed.
Loxodon Warhammer is a fantastic equipment that serves multiple purpose by giving your flying demons trample and the much desires lifelink. This also turns Villis into a 2 hit commander damage killer making it even a win condition.
Including some quality sacrifice outlets feels like a must in a mono black deck because you are always playing with the grave. High Market and Miren, the Moaning Well are great sac outlets in land slots. Ashnod's Altar , Phyrexian Altar , Spawning Pit and Dimir House Guard are also good option that can serve multiple purposes.
2 weeks ago
I had my eye on a Lion's Eye Diamond unfortunately I kept delaying its purchase and then its price skyrocketed and it's now out of my budget range.
Defense of the Heart I've always disliked this card, both winning and losing by it. Basically I avoid using specific kind of tutors instead I run an Intuition , Demonic Tutor and an Entomb which I believe cover enough of the tutored answers I would like to have.
Aura Thief Honestly I had this sitting in my binder for quite a while now and never though of giving it a go in my muldrotha deck. Most probably I'm gonna give this a try, thanks for the suggestion.
I had a look at your deck and I think including Mindslicer is a good control stopper especially since I have one sitting in my binder.
2 weeks ago
bushido_man96: The deck doesn't precisely have a discard theme, but it does work to strip resources from my opponents in an asymmetric fashion. If I can resolve Mindslicer , I will almost always win (because I can rebuild my hand extremely quickly and they cannot).
budlaorf: Vilis is almost certainly finding a home here -- the only real question is whether he is better or worse than Razzledazzle. Apart from him, I'm unsure about Blood for Bones , and probably not including the other two.
Rambolicious_0: Yes, you could choose to reanimate OR recur the thing you just sacrificed. In a certain sense, it's like a black Cloudshift to reuse an ETB, in many cases (stapled to an additional Raise Dead ).
3 weeks ago
Well, Mindslicer is a great card, but does it really fit with what this deck is wanting to do? I don't notice (at a glance, anyway), a discard theme, so perhaps it could make room for one of your two above?
3 weeks ago
Erebos, God of the Dead is a fun general -- good luck!
Most EDH games are decided by card advantage. You're typically facing down three opponents, meaning you're facing down about three times as many cards as you yourself can produce. Thus, anything that can recoup card advantage through mass draw or multi-for-ones is a good addition to a deck. With Erebos, I had a lot of luck with Words of Waste . This is an instant-speed discard effect (through Erebos' draw ability) and mana sink for the end of your opponents turns.
In a similar vein, cards like Smallpox are good for cleaning up the board from early threats, as well as setting back your opponents. I don't see it played that much, but I've had good success playing it myself. Pox is another option, but it is harder to minimize its damage to you as well.
Depending on your card pool, you may want to consider running Snow-Covered Swamp s instead of Swamp s. This allows you to run something like Dead of Winter instead of Languish ; it's more mana-efficient and tends to have a bigger effect.
Black doesn't have a lot of options in terms of mana-ramp. I see you've included Crypt Ghast and Cabal Stronghold (both powerful), but you should also consider artifact ramp. Sol Ring is an auto-include in almost every EDH deck, and cards like Charcoal Diamond , Coldsteel Heart , Mind Stone , Thought Vessel , Mana Vault , Mana Crypt (if you proxy or want to sell a kidney) and Everflowing Chalice are great as well.
One combo I had good luck with while playing Erebos was Raven's Crime with Null Profusion . This allows you to essentially cycle any dead lands you draw by casting Raven's Crime from the yard, while also making an opponent discard. In the discard vein, you seem to have some good discard pieces in your list already. Including Geth's Grimoire makes these into card advantage for you, and Waste Not is a great value engine. Syphon Mind is both a mass-discard spell and a mass-draw spell.
In your land-package, I think you should cut Leechridden Swamp . A majority of the time, losing one life isn't going to be significant; furthermore, entering tapped is a severe drawback. Running a normal or snow-covered Swamp is better.
A few of your creature inclusions are questionable. Gifted Aetherborn , Pawn of Ulamog and Basilica Screecher are not likely to have much of an effect on the board, and Brain Maggot or Kitesail Freebooter likely should be replaced with more global and/or recurring discard effects.
I feel that a lot of your spot removal consists of one-for-ones. Consume Spirit and Corrupt are good when there is only a single threat on the board, but are simply not good enough if two or more opponents are applying pressure at a given moment. Damnation and Toxic Deluge are the best black board-wipes, though they can be very expensive; I advise Nevinyrral's Disk or Perilous Vault as budget considerations. The life-gain effects of Consume Spirit and the like are probably not necessary when you're running Whip of Erebos and Pontiff of Blight .
Tutors are amazing in EDH. Demonic Tutor is the gold-standard, though it is expensive. Diabolic Tutor , which you run, is functionally identical to Mastermind's Acquisition in EDH -- you may want to consider running the latter for redundancy.
Because of the draw-power stapled on Erebos, you may want to consider running cards like Mindslicer . You'll recover much faster than your opponents, and with things like Waste Not or Geth's Grimoire on the field its a real powerhouse. This would require a sac-outlet; Phyrexian Tower is a good option here.
3 weeks ago
If you would like a change of pace, there are some fun cards that i like to put in the deck. I love Zur's Weirding in this deck. After a Mindslicer nobody will draw any thing of use with it on the field. I'm also testing Primal Surge . I think it is too expensive, but is a lot of fun.
Changing the subject, what's the deal with Gonti, Lord of Luxury ? It's a nice card, my friend use it in his Aminatou, the Fateshifter deck. You are using him like some type of win condition or just for value?
Mindslicer occurrence in decks from the last year
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All decks: 0.01%