|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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|Duels of the Planeswalkers (DPA)||Uncommon|
|Time Spiral "Timeshifted" (TSB)||Rare|
|Fourth Edition (4ED)||Uncommon|
|Revised Edition (3ED)||Uncommon|
|Promo Set (000)||Uncommon|
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As The Rack enters the battlefield, choose an opponent.
At the beginning of the chosen player's upkeep, The Rack deals X damage to that player, where X is 3 minus the number of cards in his or her hand.
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The Rack Discussion
12 hours ago
If you haven't heard of Pox decks, I think it is worth looking into for you. Pox might be the strongest and most annoying deck for monoblack in legacy right now. You basically kill/discard everything and grind the game to a halt with some tiny card advantage until you slowly kill them with something like Nether Spirit, Gurmag Angler or Phyrexian Obliterator. They run low CMC cards like Innocent Blood, Sinkhole, Smallpox, Thoughtseize, Wasteland, etc to get rid of everything on the field and in your opponents (and sometimes your own) hand then drop the big creature for the kill. Some run The Rack as well.
Pox seems right up your alley if you like that style of play and you sort of built it partially. Pox is also established so if you want to compare look up some decklists. Hope that gives you some ideas.
5 days ago
Concise list of considerations:
The Rack single target is really crappy in EDH
Wheel of Torture Same effect as The Rack except it hits everyone.
Skullcage Hits all opponents who don't have either 3 or 4 cards in hand.
Raiders' Wake Another Caress/Megrim effect, except this one makes your opponent discard if you attack.
Quest for the Nihil Stone Anyone without a hand gets domed for 5 during their upkeep...seems good.
Bloodchief Ascension Self Explanatory card
Mindcrank This is a great card in a discard centric deck.
Get rid of all of these cards Bog Rats, Carrion Rats, Deathmask Nezumi (it's a nombo with everything you're doing), Drainpipe Vermin, Gutter Skulk, Nezumi Cutthroat, Pestilence Rats, Ravenous Rats, Swarm of Rats, and Typhoid Rats.
Relentless Rats Replace all of the cards removed with these. You are not restricted to a single copy, per EDH rules, because Relentless Rats specifically states that card limitation requirements do not apply to it.
Get rid of anything that is single target discard! Especially Raven's Crime, since you don't have enough lands that you can afford to be ditching them for a single discard.
Add more things that hit everybody, such as Necrogen Mists or are renewable.
Specter's Shroud Might be worth looking into.
You need more board wipes. You have one 9 CMC board wipe with only 32 lands in the deck. The Hyper-geometric distribution doesn't give you very good odds of pulling the lands you need in order to keep the board clear. Consider Bontu's Last Reckoning, Yahenni's Expertise, Crux of Fate (which may work to your favor with all the Dargon decks running around), Damnation is a given but it's pricey, Life's Finale, Kindred Dominance, and Necromantic Selection are all decent options.
Liliana of the Dark Realms is a much better Lili for a deck like this because you need ramp and that Ult is ridiculous plus it combos with...
Let's talk about your mana base for a second...
Thirty two lands? Even for a very cavalier spell slinger deck, that is a very low amount to play. I play a Shu Yun, the Silent Tempest deck on 36 and struggle some times to reach a critical mass of mana/spells. Don't fall into the trap of "I'll cut a land for this cheap spell; it'll be fine." Again, math and probability will not be on your side in the late game, not unless you're willing to invest in Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx or Cabal Coffers. An alternative might be to run Crypt of Agadeem but it's really no substitute for those lands.
Lastly, jam a Bojuka Bog or a Scavenger Grounds or both in there for graveyard hate, along with your choice of Strip Mine, Ghost Quarter, and/or Field of Ruin because if you can't have your Crypt or Coffers, why should they?
Hope this helps, good luck!
6 days ago
The reason it is so expensive on tapped out is because you picked a different version of The Rack there is a older version of the card that costs much less. For budget this is decent. However since you are budget i think adding another color would be helpful. I suggest the use of red, for cards like Pyroclasm and Blightning and even Lightning Bolt
1 week ago
Wouldn't it be a sideboard thing, to bring a card against one specific threat, like The Rack?
Not sure Knotvine Paladin will do much good - you rarely have any significant number of untapped creatures during the attack step, do you?
Pride Sovereign - who knows, it might work. You do have quite a few cats in your deck, so... I still think Hero of Bladehold would be good instead of one of these. Mostly because it has enough toughness to survive Lightning Bolt, and makes its tokens while attacking.
And, last thing, Gavony Township gives you something to do with your mana, after you've emptied your hand. One or two copies seems sensible.
1 week ago
It would make your wincondition alot more consistent for sure, because relying on creature to deal lethal damage is hard to maintain while clearing their hand. This way you can just smash down a The Rack or Shrieking Affliction and you just have to worry about their hand size. Now you can go either creatureless or keep Pack Rat and Nyxathid because both are pretty solid option to help speed the clock that The Rack puts on them. You might also want to consider cutting Surgical Extraction for something that discard a little more reliable like Wrench Mind
1 week ago
So then pull the Augur of Skulls, reduce the Ravenous Rats to 2, increase Dismember to 4, remove Disfigure completely while upping Shrieking Affliction to 4 and adding in 4 of The Rack? Hmmm....I like that a lot actually. Thanks!
1 week ago
APPLE01DOJ Hero of Bladehold Looks decent.. i would rather run her over brimaz due to the legendary rule. However it would up my avg cmc, I have wilt in the 4 slot. I think I will try and find room for paths. You don't run any Rancor. Would you suggest I cut it?
2 weeks ago
No problem AwesomeDoofus! Glad my suggestions could be of some help!
It's true that more efficient CMCs will often lead to higher prices i.e. Liliana's Caress vs Raider's Wake. Though, if your LGS (local game store) is selling Liliana's Caress for 8$, that is truly egregious. You can find them here for 2-3$ a card here TCG Player and I suggest buying other cards on that website since they have very competitive pricing.
My opinion of Consume the Meek is not very high considering that you can wipe the whole board for the same mana cost in cards like Crux of Fate. Pestilence Demon is also pretty meh to me because it is terribly expensive unless you are running some kind of reanimation deck with cards like Entomb and Animate Dead OR ramp spells like Dark Ritual, Nykthos, Shrine to Nyx, and Cabal Ritual. If Tempt with Immortality is already a very medium card in your deck, then I would shy away from adding other medium cards to the deck like Crypt Incursion just to make the other medium cards better. It's simply better to not have the initial medium card in the deck to begin with. The other cards I'm not so big on as well, especially when you consider that you wanted to add more discard to the deck. These other cards would make that hard to do.
Unfortunately the best discard effects are pretty expensive because they see play across multiple formats. These include-
-to name a few
The other problem with discard spells is that they lose their potency late into the game because people will simply be drawing and playing their only card and have nothing to discard. This is why cards like The Rack and Black Vise are so good. These cards create tension within your opponent and gives value to your discard spells late into the game. Your opponent will not want to play anything so that they can keep cards in hand to not take damage from the artifacts, this means your discard spells will actually be worthwhile late into the game creating a lose-lose situation for the opponent because they will take damage from the artifacts if they play what they draw, but if they don't play what they draw you may just make them discard it anyway and how can they win if they are not playing the cards they draw? A deck that looks to enable this strategy on a budget for 1vs1 (so no Liliana of the Veil or Thoughtseize) might look like this-
4x Dark Ritual (this card enables you to do very powerful things early in the game such as play Hymn, and Inquisition on turn 1)
1x Waste Not
4x The Rack
4x Black Vise
Two things to notice here, 1 there are no creatures. This means cards like Innocent Blood, Pox, and Smallpox do not affect us in that way, only our opponent. Our main win condition here are the Rack and Vise, so no need for creatures. The Mishra's Factorys are just a plan B. This also makes a lot of our opponents cards, like removal spells, very bad against us limiting the amount of impactful cards they can play against us. The second, is you'll notice there are a lot of 4ofs. Rather than having 1 of this and 2 of that, having multiple copies of 1 card increases the percentage that we actually draw it or have it in our opening hand. What this means is that our deck is much more efficient because the chances and percentages of us drawing the cards we need are as high as they can be. This is an important aspect of deck building to keep in mind.
Now, that last deck was a true discard deck. If you want to play creatures though and want to be swinging for damage in Mono then I would suggest a Devotion deck which exploits the power of cards like Gray Merchant of Asphodel by trying to get as many symbols on the battlefield as possible. A Devotion deck with budget in mind (so no Phyrexian Obliterator) for 1vs1 might look like this-
4x Doom Blade
4x Brain Maggot
Now these two decks I put here are just simple examples of different directions to go, obviously if you do a mix of both of them, then you will inevitably dilute the strategy of one another but that's certainly okay if that's what you want to do. It's kind of where I would put the deck as it stands now. You have some discard, you have some creatures, some of it synergizes with the rest, but as a whole it is not as focused as the decks above. All of this is to answer your last paragraph when you ask, "What is worth keeping?" Well, that's a tough question because we first have to ask, "What is it we are trying to do?" Once you answer this, you can then eliminate the cards that don't help in those areas and add more copies of the ones that do. Now, I don't want to push you one way or the other, I simply want to provide the options so that you know what possibilities are out there.
I hope this was not terribly overwhelming, and you are right, this is what I enjoy doing on this site so its no trouble to me! So if you have more questions please feel free to ask!