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Whenever an opponent discards a card, that player loses 2 life.
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Liliana's Caress Discussion
1 day ago
I would caution going down a Wheel of Fortune route. I've never played Wheel of Fortune specifically, but Dragon Mage I've tested. Sometimes, depending on the array of commanders your up against, when I finally get a Kaalia of the Vast resolved, and either Haste/Protected where opponents can't deal with her, I definitely don't want to put 7 cards in my hand, and then put 21 possible solutions for Kaalia of the Vast in others hands. Also, assuming I'm tutoring my win-con, Buried Alive , Reanimate , etc. the Wheel of Fortune becomes useless to me because I have no way to recover those cards (Except Yawgmoth's Will ) from the graveyard, and I've spent mana and life to get them into my hand. Giving your opponent the solution to controlling you mostly won't help you, some situations, sure, but mostly no.
If you build around the graveyard recursion, it would be viable, or go down a Liliana's Caress type structure where draw/discard costs players life, or you control their graveyards with Leyline of the Void type effects, I think they would be good, there's many of those, like Magus of the Wheel , Reforge the Soul , Wheel of Fate . If your looking to disrupt other players by making them discard their tutor results, your probably getting Force of Will on your Wheel of Fortune anyway.
So not enough synergy with it, definitely don't like reloading opponents hands and handing them a solution to whatever I'm doing, like here's 21 chances at a solution for Iona, Shield of Emeria you can't deal with, or solution for Avacyn, Angel of Hope , or solution for Kaalia of the Vast + Lightning Greaves for example.
Faithless Looting is better because you control the discard, keep the combo pieces, and gets combo pieces you've accidentally drawn into the graveyard. Yesterday I did cast Restoration Angel Flash, blocked an attacking Dark Confidant and then on my turn Buried Alive ( Kiki-Jiki, Mirror Breaker , Karmic Guide , and Razaketh, the Foulblooded ) then Reanimate for the win. There was an Executioner's Capsule in play, but Breya, Etherium Shaper tapped out and couldn't activate, so took my shot.
2 days ago
Honest feedback for competitive : I feel like your deck is too slow, and has two kind of conflicting ideas that kind of don't synergize well. The deck is also lacking any form of removal at all which in modern is usually a bad sign - sometimes you NEED to remove your opponents stuff even if your deck is aggressive (tbh, yours isnt aggressive)
Theme 1 seems to be vampires- unfortunately though the focus seems to be off of a mono-b or b/r tribal vampire deck, and we aren't running any one drops so creature-based aggro isn't really possible as we are guaranteed to be behind on turn 1 with our best and only play being Vicious Rumors which we only have in our opening hand 40% of the time. When we do have it, its super underwhelming as there are a bunch of better options that you get to pick the card they are discarding ( Thoughtseize , Inquisition of Kozilek ). I recommend if you want to go the vampire route to look up other vampire tribal aggro lists and try to copy their curve and best low cost creatures. In modern as high of a 4 CMC of 2.65 is usually reserved for slower control decks, as an aggro deck you want to get on the board as fast as possible.
Theme 2 is the main theme, which is making our opponent discard cards to make them take damage with Liliana's Caress , but that card only has a 40% chance of being in our opening hand as well. The best option for this style of strategy would probably be an 8-rack deck based around Shrieking Affliction and The Rack , as it's more likely to draw either of these win conditions as well as the damage is higher. Although those decks are very expensive and will not make you popular, i personally find them fun. They are very fast and control your opponents hand very firmly, the problem I have with yours is by turn 3 control decks can prevent you from forcing discards, or they can simply discard something they dont need and keep their best cards, which Thoughtseize can help stop, or they can simply remove Liliana's Caress by then too.
I recommend going either one of those directions with the deck if you mean to make it competitive. If not, its totally fine as a casual deck, no worries. I can recommend some cheap cards you might want to look into though:
2 days ago
Vindictive Vampire Zulaport Cutthroat Teysa, Orzhov Scion Doomed Traveler Dictate of Erebos Falkenrath Noble Flesh Carver Path to Exile Return to Dust Debt to the Deathless Ashnod's Altar Phyrexian Altar Grave Pact Phyrexian Tower Sadistic Hypnotist Liliana's Caress
3 weeks ago
Looks like fun. Just wanted to put my comments in a place you can find them easier.
Not a fan of Ill-Gotten Gains , it allows your opponents to get back the good cards you forced them to discard earlier in the game.
Adds? Necrotic Ooze , because activated abilities happen Angrath, the Flame-Chained , Burglar Rat , and Arterial Flow make your opponents' discards happen Sire Of Insanity and Mindslicer are pretty mean, but at least everyone is stuck in topdeck mode. If you want to be "fair" you could play Awaken the Erstwhile so at least people get some creatures when they discard.
Malfegor , enables your discard and kills stuff.
1 month ago
That's a least a start for add ins (thank angie) won't get started on what you need to take out ha ha
1 month ago
Je me suis arreté la dessus, les shadow of the grave sont hyper important en fait - 4 Burning Inquiry - 2 Desperate Ritual - 4 Liliana's Caress - 4 Manamorphose - 2 Pyretic Ritual - 3 Shadow of the Grave - 4 Waste Not - 3 Dark Deal - 2 Collective Defiance - 2 Torment of Hailfire - 1 Past in Flames - 2 Dark Petition - 4 Reforge the Soul
1 month ago
Liliana's Caress is a strictly better Megrim . Liliana of the Veil is a lot cheaper than Liliana Vess . 18 lands is too little for the high curve you play. Normal 8-Rack runs 24 to hit 3 lands on turn 3 so I'd recommend a few more ( Blood Crypt , Blackcleave Cliffs , Bloodstained Mire .) I'd also cut Nyxathid from the mainboard so any removal your opponent has is useless Game 1.
1 month ago
Megrim, just isn't that efficient, if you want the Megrim effect I'd suggest Liliana's Caress as there is a big difference between two mana and three. Mind Rot, his a similar issue, I'd suggest Tasigur's Cruelty or Delirium Skeins as an alternative. I also rather like Blackmail and Mire's Toll in discard decks, since both have the ability to hit lands. An alternative finisher might help too; Torment of Hailfire or Rakdos's Return would potentially fit. Norn's Annex isn't Ensnaring Bridge but it could fill a similar role, even at the cost of 4 life it probably saves you more than that in damage. Hope this is of some help, good luck brewing your deck.
Liliana's Caress occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
U/B/R (Grixis): 0.52%