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Whenever an opponent discards a card, that player loses 2 life.
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Liliana's Caress Discussion
1 week ago
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Go discard, she will work really well with that and since your going mono black you can use cards like Liliana's Caress to hurt them when they discard. You can use the combo Contamination + Reassembling Skeleton
I would be happy to help out with this deck, it should be a very fun thing to play when it's done
2 weeks ago
Hey, I feel like you may be a little light on the discard effects even in an 8-rack list.
Personally I am a fan of both Smallpox and Stupor in the budget build of this deck, the Extirpate's are cool tech but the 4-of is a little much, additionally Liliana's Caress feels like a win-more card not really adding anything to the deck.
2 weeks ago
Sub out Ever After for Oversold Cemetery. I would also take out Unnerve and Tasigur's Cruelty. You are going to get a lot of discard off of the wheel effects and the two other discards. The fact that they are random makes them a lot better. Also cut Magnetic Theft, not the best for what you want to do, you have a lot better options out there. Finally Megrim should get out. It is a bit too costly for another copy of Liliana's Caress and you have so many other discard with upside cards. That makes room for Jagged Poppet, Curse of the Cabal, Blade of Selves, and Nihilistic Glee. I like Jagged Poppet a lot, if you think Plague of Vermin is better that would be the one I would sub. If you want to include both I don't like Pestilence but that's an argument that we had already...
Might want to think about Memory Jar although it is a little bit pricey... Also a bit situational
2 weeks ago
Sweet deck. I like taking advantage of Nath's discard theme, and the tokens are a great way to stall the game. There are a few recommendations that may improve the deck. I'm an advocate of using hard ramp, i.e. ramp that places lands on the board over cards that are subject to removal. With that being said, I would definitely run Hour of Promise because it doesn't have a restriction on what it can find, in terms of lands. This is a great way to tutor out your Urborg and Coffers if you need them.
Also, I think you would benefit from more card draw. Vanquisher's Banner and Greater Good are both excellent in tribal decks - Greater Good more so in elves because of Timberwatch. Another great inclusion is Wirewood Herald. The ability to tutor for a creature, specifically elf, when you have plenty of ways to sac your stuff, is perfect. Plus, it combos with Timberwatch and Greater Good.
Since you're running a heavy discard theme, I know you have Megrim, but having Liliana's Caress seems like a given choice, too.
If you want to get really cheeky, this deck is set up to run Paradox Engine + Buyback spells that generate tokens, primarily Sprout Swarm and Wurmcalling, but you can also run Mind Peel as a way to essentially Mindtwist everyone's hand. It's just a thought, but it's more of a win more strategy.
3 weeks ago
Far out Mandalorian! Thank you so much! This is a huge help, I was struggling but with this i should be able to get this deck flowing magnificently. I was kind of just expecting a sentence or two of advice and a few card recommendations but you really put in to help me get this deck running. Cheers!
Some of the cards you mentioned I already have (such as Mutilate, Grey Merchant of Asphodel, Duress, and Nightmares pouring out of my ears) but I dis-included them here just because I was using this list to decide what cards to buy.
Some others like Liliana's Caress, Hymn to Tourach, and Shrieking Affliction (I do have one of these but wanted more), I kept out either because the seller didn't have them or I left out to cut costs a bit. (Liliana's Caress is $8 ea! Why I went for Raiders' Wake instead, though it's CMC is higher)
And then there's those cards like Zombie Infestation, The Rack, Waste Not (far out that card is good) and Faith of the Devoted that I somehow never found when researching discard cards and now I feel I must hunt down these cards right away.
I also now totally see what you mean with Brain in a Jar, Tempt with Immortality, and Blood Tribute. Especially Tempt with Immortality I never even realised I was giving their discards back facepalm. Though I've already ordered those cards they'll fit fine in other decks I own so no issue being rid of them.
I was also wondering what's your opinion on adding some cards I already own such as Consume the Meek, Pestilence Demon (Mono-black can work wonders with him, tho it can also obviously be a detriment), Liliana's Reaver, Jar of Eyeballs, Wight of Precinct Six, and Crypt Incursion. Although Crypt Incursion could result in lofty amount of life, it also kind of ruins the synergy of cards like Guiltfeeder but in the other hand denies possibilities of opponent's getting their cards back and could even make Tempt with Immortality more viable.
Another thing I was worried about was that besides Creeping Dread I don't have much consistent opponent discard sources. I did originally consider Cao Cao, Lord of Wei but my seller didn't have it and I do prefer to avoid spending $5 on one card (there are exceptions of course). Other than that I just thought of adding more discard spells like more Mind Shatters, and now, adding a few Unnerves. I do own heaps of Mind Rots but they down seem very CMC efficient. Also adding some of these cards (which I plan to do) will return my issue of deck size. What do you think I could replace? What's worth keeping? What doesn't contribute enough to warrant keeping?
Sorry I feel like I almost just wrote an essay question for you to answer, but I feel as though you probably enjoy this stuff ;P
Again, thanks soo much for your assistance, this is the first deck I've made that I'm trying to make perfect so I really appreciate the help in getting it there. Cheers!!
3 weeks ago
Liliana's Caress, Megrim, and Waste Not all churn out extra value from all your discard effects. Combined with any strong enough and/or recurring enough discard they can win games. I'd also suggest Jace's Archivist. Mindslicer may be worth considering as well.