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Whenever an opponent discards a card, that player loses 2 life.
Liliana's Caress Discussion
1 week ago
, thanks for the suggestions! Awaken the Erstwhile looks like a great addition especially considering there aren't too many creatures in the deck. Despite the fact I can make everyone top deck every game, it's nice to have a second win condition if the Megrim , Liliana's Caress , and Raiders' Wake plan doesn't come to fruition. Bedevil is also a really nice card that I will definitely have to give some thought. Thanks again!
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I would cut the cards that capitalize on discard such as Waste Not and Liliana's Caress , I don't see enough ways to consistently make people discard to capitalize on them. I do believe I saw 3 discard engines total, Liliana of the Veil , painful quandry and Words of Waste . Just doesn't seem worth it imo. I would also cut Triskaidekaphobia just beca use it seems too situational to actually benefit from and could accidentally kill you instead if things don't go your way.
I'm kinda surprised that with all of this black mana generation and burn being the theme, there aren't more x spells such as Torment of Hailfire or Consume Spirit . They seem like good fits here. Corrupt is sort of like an x spell, but with the added benefit of not eating all your mana. Hope some of these help.
1 month ago
Vman nice to meet you sir, it would seem were brothers in arms. I'm not exactly new to 8 rack anymore, I've been playing this list for a year or 2 now (I should probably update my deck description here since I made it when I first posted this deck back then). I occasionally get grunts and groans for playing it, but in my experience its less because the deck is a 'bad experience deck' (though I certainly see why it is and should be) and more because people don't see it as a 'real deck' and want to play against something stronger to practice for their gps. I sincerely enjoy watching those people writhe on the rack.
Alot of the changes you're suggesting I make are actually things I've gone away from over time due to my own experiences. For example, I used to run 4x Raven's Crime , and I agree it's one of the most powerful discard spells in the deck (I personally think it's second to Smallpox ). I went down to a 3 of not because I doubt it's power, but because each copy I draw after the first is effectively a land with fewer options. 3 allows me to consistently get to the first one, and less consistently just have my hand flooded with them.
Once upon a time I played Thoughtseize and Inquisition of Kozilek both as 4 ofs, and found that they weren't worth it. Turn 1-2 they're great options, but after I throw off my opponents early game I don't much care what they discard as long as they do, in fact, discard. Mid-late game after I have my opponent top decking helplessly, I found that when they drew a land they'd hold it, knowing that lands are the hardest things for me to make them discard, so when I draw a Thoughtseize and cast in an attempt to keep them on the rack I'm literally almost bolting myself for no purpose. I decided 6 of these was the number that allowed me consistently have one or 2 of them in my opening hand but not rely on them so much later. So far it's working out for me.
Infernal Tutor has only ever over performed for me. I frequently run with no cards in hand, so it's effectively a demonic tutor. And if a card is powerful enough to get restricted in vintage, I damn sure want it in modern. If I don't have hellbent, i hold it until I do. The only time it doesn't work out for me is if I have the misfortune of drawing the second while I'm still holding the first (which is why I only run 2 of it) in which case I'll often use one to tutor for a lili or a removal spell. Less good because I'm limited in what I tutor for. But still good. There's been exactly one instance where I had to fail to find a third copy of Infernal Tutor to keep my hand size down for bridge, but even that was fine because more often than not bridge is what I tutor for with hellbent.
Delirium Skeins I agree is generally more of a sideboard card, and more often than not it's one of the first things I board out. I originally had all 3 copies in my sideboard... I think I swapped it with the 2 Dismember s if memory serves. I find myself using dismember entirely too rarely, and when I get the rest of the cards I want for my sb it's on the chopping block. It's possible that maybe delirium skeins will be moved back to the SB someday, for now it's sorta main deck worthy... ish
The land issue you mention is sorta the one I've been running into. I'm guessing you found my deck from my post in the forums, in which case you probably saw that my lands are on the working list. I intend to cut the Mutavault s as soon as I find a better working alternative for an alt win con. I'm toying with the idea of Liliana's Caress as a 2 of. Something that allows me to still use it if I have to hide behind bridge. Plan for now is to have my 4 colorless lands be ghost quarters to help keep tron off their game and make sure revolt is easy to come by for Fatal Push . Plus I know from experience how much fun it is to ghost quarter 3 of their lands and use Shadow of Doubt to deny them their search, have to assume it's more fun with 4.
The actual number of my lands I may consider working on, there have been a couple games where I've been forced to smallpox aggressively due to them being the primary discard spell I drew in my opening hand and it took me a while to recover. I'll have to look for some cuts to make room for more lands
...and you thought YOUR post was a wall of text XD
1 month ago
Cut all the colorless lands except Mutavault . I see no reason for all the fetches with DRS out of the equation. 8Rack typically doesn't run land base land destruction. It prefers Smallpox . You could also safely cut down to 20 lands.
1 month ago
Hey everyone. Working on tweaking my modern deck Modern 8-Rack to make it a bit more efficient. I know the sideboard needs alot of work, and have ideas for that but mostly they're cards I still have to aquire. Recently I started noticing issues within the mainboard that I'm hoping to resolve. Namely that with 7 lands that require Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth to tap for black I'm frequently screwed for that second black source I need and that my alt win con ( Mutavault ) just doesn't do it, especially as I find myself more and more frequently turtling behind Ensnaring Bridge to survive. I've been hesitating to take mutavault out because otherwise a Chalice of the Void on one literally forces me to concede, but I can't justify keeping it in when I rely so heavily on bridge. In short, it's time to find a new alt win con.
With Davriel coming out soon he was among the first cards I considered, but a 3 mana rack that hits for 2 damage isnt worth it in my opinion. Sure, he comes with a built in discard engine, but if anything I think he's a budget alternative to Liliana of the Veil , not a win con.
At the moment the most promising choice I'm seeing is Liliana's Caress , but it scares me because if I dont drop it turn 2 then it doesn't seem like it'll do enough. Once I get their hand empty, most opponents will just cast whatever they top deck rather than be forced to discard it meaning I'll only get triggers on those rare occasions when my opponent's draw a spell they can't cast. Are there any other win cons that work in 8 rack besides running a creature or 2 to beat face in that I'm missing?
1 month ago
I used to play an 8-rack deck in modern, too. Love this build! I found that Dash Hopes didn't work in my meta; 8-rack is too slow and if you're opponent wants the spell they'll take the 5. If you're going creatureless, you need to have all 8 of your Racks. I'd ditch the Dash Hopes and Quest for the Nihil Stone and consider cards like Funeral Charm , Waste Not , and Liliana's Caress .
Liliana's Caress occurrence in decks from the last year
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.02%
UBR (Grixis): 0.52%