Each player discards three cards.
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Delirium Skeins Discussion
1 month ago
Azeworai: Thx for your suggestions. There are some good alternatives like Mind Rake and Delirium Skeins. But on the other Hand there are some cards i will not consider, because the deck should not be competitive but more a funny and flavour thing. Thats the reason why i play obviously awful cards like Assassin's Strike. I know the flavor thing doesn't exist for Phyrexian Obliterator but he is just cool ^^" Nevertheless i will change some cards with some of the named cards. Big Thanks to you :)
1 month ago
Ah, I have piloted a mono-black discard deck for quite the number of years. I have Chainer, Dementia Master at the helm myself, as he is a rather powerful card when everyone's hands are empty, thus he reigns unanswered. Therefrom, a great amount of methods may be used to win.
Tinybones is less of a finisher itself, more so a value engine. As such, I would recommend possessing a lower curve to take advantage of the card draw and more potent finishers within the deck to hent for victory. Also, having card draw outside of the commander would grant a better backup plan. A discard deck's goal is to empty each opponent's hand and win by going unthreatened. If no players have cards to discard, Tinybones cannot provide draw.
The changes I would make are more instants so you kill things once they resolve as opposed to waiting a full turn, swifter discard in the early game to make your commander more effective, stronger finishers for the sake of ending the game betime, and just cutting some cards.
So, first, there are some things I would remove.
- Murderous Compulsion may go with the discard theme, but it's conditional removal at sorcery-speed.
- Bad Deal is ironically a bad deal, as it is six mana for two cards gone.
- Assassin's Strike is just egregious. A six-mana sorcery to kill one thing and they discard but one card. Begone.
- Unnerve is fine but not great. Being a one time effect at four mana, I dislike it, though Xantcha is a great character in the art.
- Haunting Hymn is six mana, which is far too late for discard effects to be effective. You want discard early, as it makes it far more difficult for decks to catch their footing.
- I have the same reason for Tasigur's Cruelty.
- Cabal Conditioning has an identical reason.
- I have a shortlist for this category, being creatures without long-game value; Burglar Rat, Liliana's Reaver, and Banshee of the Dread Choir have discard stapled to them, but don't do much else whilst lacking much in terms of evasion for Larceny.
- Scythe Specter is slow and other cards just do its job better, and Herald of Anguish is slow and lacks fodder for its second ability.
- Necrogen Spellbomb is just crap. Two mana for one card from a single player's hand is awful. Don't play this.
- Awaken the Erstwhile neglects the game plan of having more cards than your opponents whilst lacking the option of going back. I'd just add a stronger finisher.
Alright. With that out of the way, I may suggest other cards.
Upon card draw, you have none outside of the Trinket Thief, Rankle, and Geth's Grimoire. I'd add any of Phyrexian Arena, Sign in Blood, Underworld Connections, and Dread Presence. Necropotence may seem as if it negates the strategy, but it is always worth it.
Lightning Greaves just seem great.
Now, for the finishers I have many. Do note that these are meant to be played when people haven't any cards in hand, hence lacking answers for these once on the field. Sheoldred, the Whispering One grants value from each player's bin whiles eating at their board. Abhorrent Overlord offers a swarm of flyers to end the game. Grave Titan is much the same. Archfiend of Despair goes well with Tinybones's second ability. Though I am not too fond of it, Archfiend of Spite offers much. Geth, Lord of the Vault hents the opponent's graveyards to swarm the board. Kokusho, the Evening Star is a massive threat that harms upon death. Kothophed allows for a quite a bit of card draw. Lord of the Void is always fun. Lastly, Gray Merchant of Asphodel does so much every time it hits the field.
Of course, I'd add more ramp and reanimation. Mind Stone, Arcane Signet, Charcoal Diamond, and Lake of the Dead are great for ramp. Animate Dead, Reanimate, and Dread Return are fine ways to get stuff from anyone's yard, save for the Return.
That shall be all from me. Do enjoy your day!
1 month ago
A great start to what I was thinking of doing.
Juha on Bat Cave 2.2
2 months ago
Thanks for the comment lagotripha. I concur your point about hand disruption being a strong tool in mono-. However as this is an aggro deck and there's a need to discard cards for Zombie Infestation and Call the Bloodline to create tokens I can't see a way to squeeze Delirium Skeins or Raven's Crime in.
I'll definitely probably have the discards ready in my sideboard when I take this deck out.
2 months ago
If you are leaning into Alms of the Vein ,Gonti's Machinations can act as another four copies, so long as you are triggering it. The 'target player cause' is often awkward- playing a bunch of Bump in the Night variants is good, but without the 1 mana prowess shenanigans that red offers, its mostly a gimmick.
I have a mono black 'I've made all these things work' list (Mono black deckbuilder's toolbox), but I haven't kept it up to date- here it is to mine for ideas.
As a rule of thumb, I lean towards more hand disruption in mono-black. Its what the colour has the most efficient tools for, and removing key cards, or just lots of cards, is often enough to win against more intricate plans.
3 months ago
Invisible Stalker is definitely there. (I personally can't think of many more cheap CMC creatures myself, however, a couple cheap Aura enchantments which give hexproof such as Alpha Authority and Starlit Mantle could be used. Unfortunately it seems like I overestimated how many cheap hexproof creatures exist.
As far as cheap counter spells, I'm moreso talking about the CMC 1 counters, which are not too expensive and definitely exist. Good ones are Stifle, Annul, Dispel, Envelop, Flusterstorm, Spell Pierce, and Swan Song. (You'll definitely want to think about your playgroup for some of those).
Raven's Crime and Life from the Loam together is just a simple combo. Add Lands from grave to hand with Loam, use them to make your opponents discard with retrace. (You can also use Delirium Skeins or Mind Rake, or even Tasigur's Cruelty because of the dredge. Not necessarily a combo so much as cards that just generally synergize.
3 months ago
So, generally speaking, I think you should add a discard engine, tempo cards, and more graveyard cards.
(I'm now not so sure about dredge, but it definitely could still be done.)
These cards will definitively being hurting you as well, but they will help set up the grave while putting your opponents in a even worse position.
Then, you can play cards that help you keep and regain advantage off all of those discards, like Oreskos Explorer, Gift of Estates, Bloodghast, and Lingering Souls. (You would want to go 2nd or 3rd given the choice). (As well as Life from the Loam if your budget permits).
That's what I can think of for now.