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At the beginning of each player's upkeep, that player discards a card.
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Necrogen Mists Discussion
2 weeks ago
Some budget suggestions:
3 weeks ago
Hi addk I am here again to talk about the discard section.
Let's count the cards that makes opponents discard multiple cards in a row: Mindslicer , Sadistic Hypnotist , Stronghold Rats , Dark Deal , Torment of Hailfire , Bottomless Pit , Mind Slash , Necrogen Mists , Oppression and Painful Quandary .
Hypnotic Specter and Liliana Vess discards one card per round, too slow.
We have 10 cards that sinergizes with your commander, but observe that if you need to shut down the others u only have Mindslicer (if u have a sac outlet, there are 5 on the list), Sadistic Hypnotist (if you have another creature to begin the chain), Torment of Hailfire (perfect) and Mind Slash (if you have mana open and a creature to begin the chain).
How about raise the perfect?
Death Cloud with the right amount of mana can make all opponents lose theirs hands and you put more elves that you lost, not counting the fact that wipes the board and a geddon effect. Cabal Conditioning starts the count in 5, which is Nath CMC, cleaning the hands of your opponents and with potential to put 15 elves in play.
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
3 weeks ago
Okay, clickbaity title, but yes, I firmly believe that Phryexian Arena, EDH verified staple, is a piece of cardboard worth nearly nothing to most decks that use it, and the sleek Night's Whisper or more versatile Sign in Blood is better in aggressively costed combo lists and storm decks, Read the Bones is better in midrange, and even in control, a larger draw spell that is an instant, think Ad Nauseam is just so much better.
Even aggro decks woul rather a proactive possible threat that pressures life totals over time, like Dark Confidant or Mindblade Render , and the arena isn't powerful enough in nearly any of these decks to warrant the inclusion.
Now onto why these are all so much better, and why poeople like the Arena, but it is still bad. It is that Phyrexian Arena looks like a draw 2 per turn, however it is a possible only draw 1. You draw 2, but 1 you'd already get. It also, if removed on an opponent's turn, doesn't draw you anything, leading to card disadvantage. It takes 1 whole turn cycle just to be a cycler that loses a life and costs 3, and 2 turn cycles (8 turns) before it is as good as Night's Whisper , but costs more, and at turn cycle 3 (12 turns in) it gets the powerful effect of the 3 mana draw 3, lose 3 life, on a 3 turn suspend. Impressively bad for an effect like that. Read the Bones is more splashable, doesn't suspend, looks at possibly more cards, and loses 1 less life. Dark Confidant / Mindblade Render costs less and have a creature attached and do about the same things, with more use in creature-abusing decks, perhaps being sacrificed later to a Attrition for more advantage need be, who knows.
At turn cycle 4 (16 turns in), it gets the 4 mana draw 4 suspend 4, lose 4, which doesn't draw as much as a Moonlight Bargain , you need to be on turn cycle 5 (20 turns in) for that luxury, and with Ad Nauseam , you'd often draw 20 more cards in the single turn. See how that it bad? Especially in a color combination with many better, still generally bad card enginess that do basically the same thing. Dark Tutelage is more splashable, Greed draws more, Necropotence draws more, Mindblade Render is cheaper, more splashable, with more synergies, Dark Confident does basically the same as the Render, etc. etc.
It is often compared to the black Sylvan Library , but that is cheaper and actually draws 2 cards, twice the work of the Arena. It isn't even in the same ball park of card advantage as the library.
This was all off of the top of my head, yet, Phyrexian Arena is considered a staple, almost exclusively played in EDH, and is just not a good card despite that. Theater of Horros, a new red added variant to the Arena, at least when you have infinite mana wins the game, and has synergies with effects like discard.
The only real time I have seen some use to the Arena is in stax decks that use a lot of the other options too. Mono-Black Stax often resorts to a lot of mass discard, think Oppression , Bottomless Pit , Necrogen Mists , etc. to empty everyone's hand turn after turn. Using Arena, Tutelage, Confidant, Render, Necro, and Greed all allow the stax deck to fish through it's deck and break parity on these stax lists, even if it takes 10 turns to make them worth it.
Thoughts? Am I just not seeing it properly, or is it truely bad?
4 weeks ago
The first thing I would recommend is finding a way to copy your namesake card the turn it's cast. Copies aren't cast, so both will resolve! It's pretty expensive, so having onboard ways are the best. Primal Amulet Flip is probably the best. If you utilize spell based ramp and tutors, you should be able to flip it. Swarm Intelligence , The Mirari Conjecture could also work.
Since you're not planning on using your hand or lands into the late game, you might as well have onboard tricks that use those resources.
To use your hand, you could play Rix Maadi, Dungeon Palace , Words of Waste , Null Brooch , Restore Balance , Jolrael, Empress of Beasts , Mageta the Lion , Stronghold Machinist , Stronghold Biologist , Greel, Mind Raker , Alexi, Zephyr Mage , Notorious Assassin , Knollspine Invocation , Pyromancy , and Magus of the Balance .
1 month ago
If your playing a rack deck at the moment, you should probably be main-decking graveyard hate. Too many modern decks use the graveyard as a resource... Necrogen Mists is on occasion included in budget list to dummy as Liliana of the Veil , giving regular discard. Hostile Desert in a deck splashing white anyway, is possibly a worse Shambling Vent . Vicious Rumors might be of more help than Duress, it's a new card though so I'm not sure. Liliana, Heretical Healer Flip might be usable from the sideboard, if you have something like Death Cultist or Nyxathid which could double as a threat. Hope this is of help, good luck with your deck.
1 month ago
just some goodies to consider, Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Artful Dodge, Silent Arbiter, Crawlspace, Dissipation Field, Necrogen Mists Trepanation Blade, Phenax, God of Deception, Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver, Nightveil Specter, Nephalia Drownyard, Mind Stone, Sol Ring
Necrogen Mists occurrence in decks from the last year
All decks: 0.01%
Commander / EDH:
All decks: 0.01%