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At the beginning of each opponent's upkeep, if that player has one or fewer cards in hand, he or she loses 3 life.
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Shrieking Affliction Discussion
2 weeks ago
1 month ago
no, this won't help you. not sure why you thought it would. first of all, your hand is already going to be torn apart by turn 4 if you're playing against 8-rack. second, it will only ever put a Plains into your hand, and not spells. more lands when you already have 4 doesn't help you. it won't even get you out of range of Shrieking Affliction's or The Rack's ability to damage you, because a smart 8-rack player will have discard spells capable of hitting lands.
1 month ago
For this deck to become better, I'd move it into modern, and use a win condition like The Rack, Shrieking Affliction, and Nezumi Shortfang and build something like 16 rack, with Thoughtseize, Inquisition of Kozilek, and Duress to make them discard. Raven's Crime, Wrench Mind and Augur of Skulls are also great.
1 month ago
2 months ago
Thanks for the comment, Kandrel. I honestly hadn't realized that I had taken so many of the pure discard effects out, that cards like Shrieking Affliction had become pretty bad, so thanks for pointing that out! The goal of this deck isn't really to make everyone groan, so I'm not sure I want to punish the card draw too much, especially with symmetrical effects like Spiteful Visions, but I'll have to think about it. I'll be looking into replacing Lavaborn Muse, Shrieking Affliction, Quest for the Nihil Stone, and maybe Hollowborn Barghest as well. Thanks!
2 months ago
Looks like a neat idea--and a neat way to use Malfegor. There's a little problem, though. Yes, you're going to be making your opponents discard a lot of cards, but except for two creatures (Mindslicer and Sire Of Insanity) they're just drawing those cards back again. Those wheel effects just aren't going to get their hands empty. That means the punishers you have for small hands like Shrieking Affliction just aren't going to pull their weight. Consider instead punishing both sides of your wheel effect cards. Punish the discard with Waste Not and Liliana's Caress, then punish the card draw with things like Underworld Dreams, Spiteful Visions and many other similar effects.
2 months ago
Wow! Fascinating idea for a deck! Don't know your budget at all but here we go!
My suggestions: Neverending Torment is not a good win condition. I prevents only you from casting spells, meaning the other players will tutor up cards and beat you. I personally don't think you'll ever win a game this way.
Here's what I think you should do. Take it how you will.
Add: indicates commander staple, because I know you're new :)
This will protect the most important part of the deck, and the linchpin of your strategy.
Then, the #1 suggestion I have for you and the one I want to to try even if you ignore everything else: Ob Nixilis, Unshackled.
Do you see it?? That's 13 life each turn. That's a four turn clock. With enough protection no one will be able to stop you.
Want to double down? Add Strionic Resonator*. That copies Ob's ability, now you're hitting them for 23.
Triple down? Wound Reflection. Kill someone, and watch everyone else tremble in fear.
How do I get these combo pieces, you ask? Easy.
BOOOOOOOOOOM. Necropotence has a huge down side that's MITIGATED BY YOUR COMMANDER. Think about it. Draw all your cards at the cost of you're life, your opponents are stuck with 3-4 and you have 20. You win by sheer card advantage.
Ad Nauseam is another way to get around the inability to draw. Very very strong.
How else do we get stuff we need? Tutors.
Now what about all the cards in their hands and their tutors? Discard.
After that, we punish them further for having so few cards.
Shrieking Affliction this with ob is 16 damage per turn, that's a three turn clock!
Tree of Perdition will out right kill someone with Ob and Maralen out. Take out the strongest player and pick off the rest!
I know this is a lot to take in... honestly I hope you don't use it all because now I'm gonna make a deck with her...
2 months ago
Holy smokes, I love the discussion this is generating! Thank you all for your comments!
geekmp3: I like the cheap CMC of Planar Void but I worry about exiling some of my key enchantments or artifacts. Turns out, people really don't like discarding their whole hand and a lot of my permanents become quick targets. I've won a couple games by pulling my stuff back from the graveyard and recasting it.
Phenix: I considered Nirkana Revenant for ramp but she's so expensive to cast that I decided not to. I generally prefer to keep my ramp spells cheaper so I can cast them early game, or later game I can cast them and other things. I'm currently a little on the fence about keeping Caged Sun.
Thanks Kaleo42, I thought it was an amusing concept, too. Turned out to be just as fun to play. The decks I play against are a bit of a mixed bag. It's mostly kitchen table EDH, though my playgroup's experienced a bit of power creep as we strive to outdo one another. Some strong Jhoira suspending, tokens, combos, a number of quality voltron commanders but generally not much cruel control.
NoSoyYucateco, you're giving me good food for thought here:
Yeah, Scythe Specter's discard is conditional, relying on it dealing combat damage but I really like that makes all opponents discard. Its 6 CMC is pretty tough to swallow though - especially if it's killed before it even attacks. I did consider Bloodhusk Ritualist early on when building this deck but cut it, thinking that to make one person discard one card wasn't a great investment. But if I spent the same as Scythe Specter cost, I'd get that person to discard 3 immediately. Hmmm. I do like that the discard happens immediately, and I can scale my mana investment to "right-size" how many cards I want someone to discard. I might switch these two up.
Your Maralen of the Mornsong and Teferi's Puzzle Box combo is pretty cool and would definitely lock down the whole table. I like that Maralen can help me tutor up the puzzle box to complete the combo. But sometimes I want my opponents to draw cards, just so I can make them discard them and take damage with Liliana's Caress, Megrim and Raiders' Wake. Also, the puzzle box is a bit of a dead card to me without Maralen in play. I'll think on it.
I had Innocent Blood in my list for a while but with so few creatures, I was hesitant to run it for fear of having to sacrifice something really good. I figured Chainer's Edict was safer and pretty cheap for .