Skycloud Expanse
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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Alchemy Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Historic Brawl Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planar Constructed Legal
Planechase Legal
Premodern Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Tiny Leaders Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Skycloud Expanse

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Mortlocke on The Queen's Egg

2 weeks ago

Bishoprage,

I can absolutely relate on the wife front. I've been married for 8 years - just celebrated an anniversary and we'll likely be together for many more. She's already accepted my addicti-er...hobby. Just gotta make responsible budgets each month for entertainment. Also, I highly suggest you chat up a local game store (LGS) and feel out the management and staff - if they are trustworthy and amicable to their customers you should build a financial relationship with them - try to do as much business as possible there. Then when it comes time for you to want to get a BIG purchase for a birthday (like that aforementioned Sliver Queen *oversized*) you can make an arrangement where you give some trades as a down payment, and every paycheck you make small payments until the card is purchased. Yes, it's effectively layaway - but obviously you can't do that with all stores. This is more of a long term suggestion if you ever felt so inclined to collect some more expensive pieces. If you know you're never going to want to then I suggest you proxy to your heart's content. Few players seem to care as long as you're not playing in big tournaments with cash prizes.

As for card suggestions I think all of your swaps are spot on, except your filterland choices. Don't go with the Odyssey cycle lands like the aforementioned Skycloud Expanse. When they enter the battlefield they literally do nothing unless you have another mana source already on the field - including these limit your early game options. Pay the few dollars more and get the Shadowmoor filterlands e.g. Flooded Grove and Mystic Gate. The key differences here is that they all can produce mana - specifically - but their filtering option takes things one step further and can give you a two of one color as opposed to one of each.

Mox Diamond is tough to replace. It's a card with ridiculous power that just can't really be replicated. Considering price though, i'd go with a utility spell like the aforementioned Teferi's Protection, Heroic Intervention, or Sylvan Tutor. MindStone is also a very okay option as well because in the late game it can get you a card when in a pinch. This slot is reserved for low cost spells that help establish or maintain your boardstate. Go with what you think your deck needs.

Bishoprage on The Queen's Egg

2 weeks ago

Mortlocke

Thanks for the detailed response! I have always loved strategy games and been aware of Magic but never really dove in. I'm throughly enjoying searching around for cards and seeing how different cards can work together. Sadly I just can't afford cards over say $100 right now. I think my wife would burn me at a stake if she knew I splurged for the Sliver Queen *oversized*!

I am definitely going to use Windfall to replace Wheel of Fortune. That just makes sense to me, basically the same effect with the only variable being drawing less than 7 cards.

Three Tree City also seems like a 1 for 1 for Gaea's Cradle. Yes, slightly less efficient but much more manageable budget wise. I wasn't aware of this card! Thank you!

I actually, settled on the Pain Lands after my last post. However, it's not a 1 for 1 swap for the original 10 duals because your list already included Adarkar Wastes and Yavimaya Coast. So, I just need to find replacements for Tropical Island and Tundra. Which I think will be Overflowing Basin and Skycloud Expanse. Sadly, the Sack lands will only be able to find the Shocks but it is what it is. I can't imagine having a Triome and it coming in tapped and not being able to play a card because of it. I again wasn't aware of the Filter Lands! Thank you x2!

So the only replacement card I need to think more about is Mox Diamond. Do you think I should stick with a mana rock? Or can I get away with another utility Sliver or interaction? Diffusion Sliver, Morophon, the Boundless, Teferi's Protection, Heroic Intervention, Mystical Tutor where the cards I've been eyeing.

Thank you x3!

DatShepTho on Atraxa Planeswalkers

3 months ago

Overflowing Basin Skycloud Expanse Sungrass Prairie Simic Signet Azorius Signet Selesnya Signet

eliakimras on The Gay Pride

2 years ago

If you want more pillows, Agitator Ant and Kitt Kanto, Mayhem Diva are good options. The Ant is itself a second copy of Orzhov Advokist.

If you value having K&T on the battlefield as soon as possible (I do), consider running Fellwar Stone, Skyshroud Elf, Tiller Engine, Voyaging Satyr and Portent Tracker. The last three are great with your bouncelands (Azorius Chancery and the like).

If you can get the rest of Tangled Islet's cycle (Sacred Peaks, Molten Tributary, Cinder Glade, Canopy Vista, Prairie Stream), suddenly Farseek, Nature's Lore and Three Visits allow you perfect fixing of your colors.

Also, 33 lands + Bala Ged Recovery  Flip might not be enough to hit your land drops. I run 36 lands on my K&T build. Also also, Mossfire Valley, Sungrass Prairie and Skycloud Expanse help a lot on getting the right colors for your commander.

You probably want Druid of Purification in your build: it is a really strong and political removal spell. It also hits hexproofed permanents (great plus in my opinion) and never hurts you.

All in all, I hope you and your opponents have fun with this build - cheers!

DreadKhan on Zur the enchanter $100 budget

2 years ago

Cool idea with good execution!

Not sure if you are 100% satisfied with your mana base, some stuff like Esper Panorama, Darkwater Catacombs, Skycloud Expanse, and Ash Barrens can help fix your mana, I always find Zur is a hassle to get out without stretching the budget. There are also somewhat worse options like Obscura Storefront, it's worse than Arcane Sanctum but not by a ton. I recently found out about Planar Atlas, but this looks like exactly what Zur needs to get out faster, but I do run Signets and Signet Lands, so I have more use for colourless arguably. If you're using a Sun Titan, any lands that fetch something before going to the Graveyard become pretty strong in my experience, but Myriad Landscape is hilarious if you can recur it.

Not sure if it's outside your budget, but Mirrormade is the cheapest Copy Enchantment I know of that Zur can fetch, and it can also copy an artifact, so if there is a ramp rock out Zur can find mana. Another way Zur can ramp you is The Restoration of Eiganjo  Flip, which also turns into a creature. Dance of Many is a pretty interesting option if someone has a really big body out against you, not sure if you face many Blightsteels.

If you like to run Rule of Law effects in Zur, you might enjoy using a little Moderation to fuel you, it's a nice cheap card. If you can draw enough cards, Stronghold Machinist and/or Stronghold Biologist are pretty interesting cards. Obviously better with Necropotence though.

If you have Vanishing on Zur, you can fetch Out of Time to wipe the board in a shockingly thorough manner, if the board is full nothing is coming back. Obviously better if you can copy it before it goes away, but Copy Enchantment and Estrid's Invocation are both pretty pricey, and there are few things as good as copying All That Glitters. Another weird thing you could do is combine Spy Kit with Cornered Market, nobody can play creatures, if you have Zur out then you should be set.

If Propaganda or Ghostly Prison are too pricey, War Tax can be an interesting alternative, it's especially useful in a Rule of Law deck where you can't play multiple Sorcery speed spells, this lets you use spare mana to hassle whomever you want, it's non-targeted and scales with the game.

I always wonder if non-cEDH Zur decks should consider running Honden of Seeing Winds and Sanctum of Calm Waters to draw cards, Zur can find you a few other Shrines if you ever draw into a Draw engine, none better than Sanctum of Stone Fangs. I guess you'd have to decide how much work 2-3 cards per turn is worth, at least once it's set up it doesn't use more resources.

multimedia on The Best Urza

2 years ago

Hey, well done work in progress for your first Commander deck on a budget. Good card sense upgrading the precon.

For the manabase consider upgrades of the Pain lands?

The Pain lands have been reprinted in the last two Standard sets, making them the least expensive right now. Now is the best time to get them since they will only increase in price as time goes on. Tyrite Sanctum is a nice budget utility land especially with The Flesh is Weak.

I'm playing Urza on a low budget and these are some cards, most less than $2, that I've found to be helpful.

  • Ornithopter of Paradise: artifact creature for ramp.
  • The Flesh is Weak: make Urza and all other creatures you control at the time an artifact. -1/-1 can wreck opponent's nonThopter token strategies who can be blockers against Constructs. Tyrite Sanctum makes it so you don't have to control nonartifact legendary creatures including Urza when you play Weak since it can put a +1/+1 counter on any legendary creature you control turns after to make it an artifact.
  • Liquimetal Torque: mana rock for ramp or make Urza or any other nonland permanent an artifact. Pair with Master Transmuter to bounce any nonland permanent.
  • Soundwave, Sonic Spy  Flip: new Transformers card that's good in multiplayer Commander, no mana cost to cast your choice of opponent's instant or sorcery. Constructs make it consistent to trigger with a high mana value and Soundwave, Superior Captain can be a repeatable source of artifacts.
  • Sculpting Steel: good in multiplayer Commander because it can be any artifact on the battlefield and it can change with Master Transmuter bounce.
  • Armix, Filigree Thrasher: because of menace it can be repeatable opponent creature removal, Losheel, Clockwork Scholar helps a lot too.

Being able to make Urza an artifact can make Urza a threat with menace to do Commander damage especially with Cranial Plating. Urza surviving nonartifact creature board wipes can give you a huge advantage. Making other nonartifact creatures an artifact is good too especially Padeem, Consul of Innovation for much more protection.

Some cards to consider cutting:

Filigree Attendant, Darksteel Juggernaut, Etched Champion are just beaters, they don't do anything else. You don't really need them since you'll have plenty of better beaters, Constructs, who don't cost mana. Burnished Hart is slow for ramp. Chief of the Foundry is subpar for an anthem effect, it's a lesser Master of Etherium.

Good luck with your deck.

Max_Hammer on Shorikai go vroom

2 years ago

So, right now, Commander included, you've got 126 cards. Seeing as you're only 26 over the cap, this shouldn't be too bad.

This is a low mana cost deck with a lot of draw, you probably only need 34-36 lands if you're being generous. If I were you, I'd drop some of the slower lands, such as Temple of Enlightenment, Skybridge Towers, Prairie Stream, Azorius Chancery, Castle Ardenvale, Castle Vantress, or even Port Town.

You might also want to include more fetch lands, too. Flooded Strand, Fabled Passage, and Flood Plain all come with a pretty high price tag, but they're all good.

On the other side of the coin, Brokers Hideout, Obscura Storefront, Evolving Wilds, Terramorphic Expanse, Myriad Landscape, Esper Panorama, and Bant Panorama are all cheaper fetch lands that you could use.

Drawing mana late game can be a dead draw a lot of the time, so being able to remove that excess from your deck can be a really nice tool to have, so you can draw just what you want. Maybe take out cards that are fast, but not necessary such as, Skycloud Expanse, Sea of Clouds, Mishra's Factory, and Crawling Barrens.

Potential Land List Show

Changing it to this (or a list of just 35 mana), should bring us down to 122 cards.

As for non-land ramp, you have a lot. I’m going to say you want to kick out Silver Myr, Gold Myr, Mind Stone, and Ornithopter of Paradise. Normally I’d say more, but for this specific deck that seems to love ramp, this seems more than fine.

118 left.

For the rest, I’d say Ondu Inversion  Flip, Access Denied, Tezzeret the Seeker, Tezzeret, Artifice Master, Phyrexian Metamorph, Cultivator's Caravan, Invoke Justice, and An Offer You Can't Refuse, all mostly because they’re too expensive.

That leaves you with 109

Okay, so, this decklist is surprisingly tight for being 30~ cards over and I don’t know where to kick the last 9 off. Maybe Artificer Class? Maybe some of the creatures/vehicles? Idunno, good luck.

multimedia on Phantom Premonition Customizations

2 years ago

Hey, well done so far upgrading the precon on a budget.

Some cards from the precon to consider adding.

Windfall is a powerful draw spell in multiplayer Commander where opponents can have huge hands of cards. Empty your hand of spells quick then Windfall to draw a whole new hand. Ghostly Flicker is one of the better instant blink spells since it can target two permanents not just a creature. Ghostly Prison can be a helpful effect to have in multiplayer Commander.

I don't think many of the Spirit anthem effects are needed. Some anthems are helpful, since Ranar is a Spirit cards that give him other abilities such as hexproof or flash, but cards that only increase power/toughness are subpar. Coat of Arms is the exception, no other little anthem effect can compare to it.

You're best game plan is to create infinite Spirits on an opponent's turn and then attack with them on your next turn. Infinite Spirits don't need an anthem to be a wincon. Infinite attacking Spirits are however shut down by opponent's Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Windborn Muse, etc. thus it's important to have consistent removal for these cards. Cutting most of the anthems for more repeatable draw could help gameplay. Consider more repeatable draw options when you create a 1/1 Spirit?

Palace Jailer is powerful with blink, it's a unique card that makes you the monarch when it ETB, you draw a card at your end step and it's repeatable as long as you are the monarch. Only one player in the game can be the monarch at one time and it can change players.

If an opponent does combat damage to you or plays a card that makes them the monarch then that opponent becomes the monarch and you lose the monarch. You can get the monarch back by doing combat damage to the opponent who's the monarch. Flying Spirit tokens are fine fodder for blocking and flying makes them good attackers. Use Spirits as defense to keep the monarch for repeatable draw?

Jailer also does something else when it ETB, exiles an opponent's creature and the only way for opponents to get back their exiled creatures is if you lose the monarch. Each time Jailer is blinked you get to exile an opponent creature.

Skyclave Apparition is a Spirit and is another powerful blink target since it exiles any opponent nonland permanent 4 CMC or less which covers a huge amount of targets in multiplayer Commander. It's a good way with the strategy of blink to get rid of Ghostly Prison, Propaganda, Windborn Muse, etc.

Like with all precons the manabase is subpar and it's going to be difficult on a low budget to make many land upgrades, but here's some lands to consider.

Good luck with your deck.

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