Honden of Seeing Winds

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Archenemy Legal
Arena Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Casual Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Custom Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Gladiator Legal
Highlander Legal
Historic Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Planechase Legal
Quest Magic Legal
Vanguard Legal
Vintage Legal

Honden of Seeing Winds

Legendary Enchantment — Shrine

At the beginning of your upkeep, draw a card for each Shrine you control.

Immortalys on Card Draw Tag

11 months ago

So I just made a Jhoira, Weatherlight Legends deck, focussing on Legends (of course) with a card draw theme.

With a Card Draw theme I mean cards like Jori En, Ruin Diver, Kraum, Ludevic's Opus and Honden of Seeing Winds for straight up card draw.

Cards like Alandra, Sky Dreamer and Minn, Wily Illusionist for second card drawn each turn (I know this is a tag already).

Cards that pay of drawing lots of cards like Niv-Mizzet, Parun, Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind, The Locust God and Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim.

Cards that pay you off for having lots of cards in hand like Alrund, God of the Cosmos  Flip, Hisoka, Minamo Sensei and Meishin, the Mind Cage.

And other cards with card draw synergies like Teferi's Ageless Insight and Jace, Wielder of Mysteries.

Also cards that grant an unlimited hand size like Nezahal, Primal Tide, Thought Vessel, Decanter of Endless Water, Wizard Class and the good old Reliquary Tower.

So how come there is no Card Draw tag yet?

DreadKhan on Zur the enchanter $100 budget

1 year ago

Cool idea with good execution!

Not sure if you are 100% satisfied with your mana base, some stuff like Esper Panorama, Darkwater Catacombs, Skycloud Expanse, and Ash Barrens can help fix your mana, I always find Zur is a hassle to get out without stretching the budget. There are also somewhat worse options like Obscura Storefront, it's worse than Arcane Sanctum but not by a ton. I recently found out about Planar Atlas, but this looks like exactly what Zur needs to get out faster, but I do run Signets and Signet Lands, so I have more use for colourless arguably. If you're using a Sun Titan, any lands that fetch something before going to the Graveyard become pretty strong in my experience, but Myriad Landscape is hilarious if you can recur it.

Not sure if it's outside your budget, but Mirrormade is the cheapest Copy Enchantment I know of that Zur can fetch, and it can also copy an artifact, so if there is a ramp rock out Zur can find mana. Another way Zur can ramp you is The Restoration of Eiganjo  Flip, which also turns into a creature. Dance of Many is a pretty interesting option if someone has a really big body out against you, not sure if you face many Blightsteels.

If you like to run Rule of Law effects in Zur, you might enjoy using a little Moderation to fuel you, it's a nice cheap card. If you can draw enough cards, Stronghold Machinist and/or Stronghold Biologist are pretty interesting cards. Obviously better with Necropotence though.

If you have Vanishing on Zur, you can fetch Out of Time to wipe the board in a shockingly thorough manner, if the board is full nothing is coming back. Obviously better if you can copy it before it goes away, but Copy Enchantment and Estrid's Invocation are both pretty pricey, and there are few things as good as copying All That Glitters. Another weird thing you could do is combine Spy Kit with Cornered Market, nobody can play creatures, if you have Zur out then you should be set.

If Propaganda or Ghostly Prison are too pricey, War Tax can be an interesting alternative, it's especially useful in a Rule of Law deck where you can't play multiple Sorcery speed spells, this lets you use spare mana to hassle whomever you want, it's non-targeted and scales with the game.

I always wonder if non-cEDH Zur decks should consider running Honden of Seeing Winds and Sanctum of Calm Waters to draw cards, Zur can find you a few other Shrines if you ever draw into a Draw engine, none better than Sanctum of Stone Fangs. I guess you'd have to decide how much work 2-3 cards per turn is worth, at least once it's set up it doesn't use more resources.

Epicurus on Go-Shintai of Life's Staxx

2 years ago

Nice list. I was going to suggest Stasis but was pleased to see that it was already there.

I saw that you've omitted some of the Sanctums. The red Sanctum is garbage, but the others are definitely worth including. Sanctum of Calm Waters in my opinion is better than Honden of Seeing Winds, because it costs 1 less, and is a "may" rather than "must" effect, which sometimes matters. I do recognize that that's a matter of personal preference. However, Sanctum of Fruitful Harvest can replace any rock or dork (and eventually supplies all the mana you'll ever need, which is important if you choose not to go infinite), and Sanctum of Tranquil Light is way more brutal than it may seem (especially for a Stax build).

Finally, Zur the Enchanter fetches a lot of the Shrines, as well as a lot of your other enchantments, and should be considered as well.

That's all I got. If I think of anything else, I'll report back later.

Optimator on Tricksy Pixies

2 years ago

Some good enchantment-based card draw to note:

Kumena's Awakening - this would be an excellent choice on a budget. You should always have The City's Blessing. My favorite "not-Rhystic-Study" replacements.

Dire Undercurrents - amazing card but expensive. If I were you I would make this one of your first upgrades. Seems perfect.

Curious Obsession

Vampiric Rites

Arguel's Blood Fast  Flip and Greed and Erebos, God of the Dead - Alela's lifelink would help pay

Erebos, Bleak-Hearted is playable in this deck.

Dark Prophecy - the power is there, but might be difficult early.

Military Intelligence should be reliable. Great for two mana

Staggering Insight

Curse of Verbosity - I think it's kind of underrated. Should be good with your flyers and might take some heat off you. It's no Rhystic Study.

Rhystic Study duuuuhhhhh

Fall from Favor

Ophidian Eye

Insight - huuuge upside, potentially useless. I love it though!

Monastery Siege - it's basically drawing half a card per turn for three mana, but can protect your creatures if it's that part of the game. It's all right

Verity Circle - Huge upside, potentially useless

Phyrexian Arena - one of the best, but the price tag may not be worth it in this deck since you're running blue and can easily take advantage of flying creatures

Court of Ambition - it should be easy to get The Monarch whenever you want with your flyers

Marchesa's Decree is all right. Probably better in other decks

Sanctum of Calm Waters and Honden of Seeing Winds

Soul Ransom - might be fun to recur.

Teferi's Ageless Insight - might be good, better in decks where the commander draws cards. The power is there though.

Coastal Piracy

Kindred Discovery - ridiculous power with a ridiculous price tag to match. It's not a "may" ability so you can easily deck yourself. Isn't that winning though?

Patient Rebuilding - statistically draws one card a turn. Potentially high ceiling, can also whiff. Better for decks with graveyard synergies. Animate Dead and Necromancy are excellent, and Dance of the Dead is playable.

Mind Unbound

Well of Ideas

Thought Reflection

rdean14 on Card creation challenge

2 years ago

Bovine Reader

Creature - Ox Advisor (Rare)

Steady - As your turn ends, if this creature didn't attack or activate any abilities that require it to tap, draw a card.

: Scry 1. Activate only as a sorcery.


I think this would become a staple and would see a lot of play, it maight be rather overpowerered, but I'm unsure.

Its stat line is abysmal, as a 4cmc 1/3 is only playable because it draw a card every endstep, basically.

Honden of Seeing Winds and Kumena's Awakening are the two cards which most similarly draw a card each turn, so I think its not too bad, especially as it is a creature, and thus susceptible to creature removal

I'd like to see a card which creates a noncreature artifact token that isn't a food, gold, clue, treasure, or rock.

legendofa on Too much card draw??

2 years ago

Go easy on the blue shrines, especially since the draw from Honden of Seeing Winds is mandatory. Or run some enchantment removal and use it on yourself as needed--getting one extra mana from Sanctum of Fruitful Harvest isn't worth losing the game.

Alternatively, rejoice in the draw and keep a Thassa's Oracle or Laboratory Maniac on hand.

How much have you tested this? Are you regularly at risk for overdrawing, or is this a pre-testing concern?

Optimator on Scrubs

3 years ago

I have a Honden of Seeing Winds that you can have.

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