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Out of Time
When this enters the battlefield, untap all creatures, then phase them out until this leaves the battlefield. Put a time counter on this for each creature phased out this way. (The creatures are treated as though they don't exist.)
Vanishing (At the beginning of your upkeep, remove a time counter from this. When the last is removed sacrifice this.)
2 weeks ago
`NVM reread your post u already basicly said yes since u only remove the counter from Out of Time as it resolves not b4 so i can totaly return it - dunno how to delete my follow upquesiton though - thanks anyways!
2 weeks ago
All right so i have a follow up question: Can i use Reality Strobe to return Out of Time to my hand if both turn to 0 counters at my upkeep? i mean since i resolve Reality Strobe first Out of Time is still a permanent at that moment no? And it just doesnt resolve anymore because it returned to my hand? Now ofcause all creatures are free but atleast i have a new go right?
2 weeks ago
Fourth Oracle ruling on Out of Time:
If Out of Time leaves the battlefield before its enter the battlefield trigger resolves, creatures will untap, but they won't phase out.
2 weeks ago
Hey all, I was wondering how to handle a situation with Out of Time (or other permanents that do blank-until-it-leaves-play on an etb) when out of time enters the battlefield the effect goes on the stack, then i pass priority and my opponent responds by sacrificing Elvish Lyrist putting the destroy target on out of time. That ability resolves destroying out of time, but its effect is still on the stack. Im wondering how situations like this work when the effect is active "until blank leaves play" but as the effect resolves the thing has already left play. Thanks for any help you can offer
5 months ago
That being said, the core mecanic of it seems to be a waiting game toying with phasing while stuff goes boom (Armageddon Clock, Time Bomb...), pushing opponents to forfeit by ruining their manabase or to voltron-ish out with Ishai, Ojutai Dragonspeaker (Also, since phasing is neither a cast nor an ETB trigger, Commander's Insignia seems of poor value here).
There is a bunch of stuff that seems to have no interest whatsoever to further this deck agenda (such as Thran Lens, the Sphere of Duty and the other spheres, etc...) which could hold fairly more interesting cards instead. There is no particular synergy between the commander(s) and the deck in itself, questioning why those in specific.
It feels like the deck hopes to be annoying enough to get you to victory... I mean it's not illegal... (some even jackoff on that)... but then if that's the flavor of it, there is fairly better way to achieve that goal, so I'm wondering what's the core mecanic you intended ?
On a building note, I have a hard time believing a 3 colors deck working well with basic lands only, but I'm a heavy user of none basic, so... this deck feels like it never has been built, feels really theorical and not actually functional.
There is a bunch of stample of the phasing mecanic you missed, such as Teferi's Protection, Teferi's Isle, Out of Time... that could get great value... the combo from Hexi180 with Balancing Act if a clear finisher, since it doesn't exclude lands...
I don't comment often, I hope this will be taken in a way that helps you to possibly improve it, this has no intention to seems harsh but I know how written wordings can be. I've a good list of worked on deck and I wanted to help, I tend to try to give some "flavor" to them rather than just piling on powerful card... If you wanna chat about it and discuss more feel free to.
8 months ago
Cool idea with good execution!
Not sure if you are 100% satisfied with your mana base, some stuff like Esper Panorama, Darkwater Catacombs, Skycloud Expanse, and Ash Barrens can help fix your mana, I always find Zur is a hassle to get out without stretching the budget. There are also somewhat worse options like Obscura Storefront, it's worse than Arcane Sanctum but not by a ton. I recently found out about Planar Atlas, but this looks like exactly what Zur needs to get out faster, but I do run Signets and Signet Lands, so I have more use for colourless arguably. If you're using a Sun Titan, any lands that fetch something before going to the Graveyard become pretty strong in my experience, but Myriad Landscape is hilarious if you can recur it.
Not sure if it's outside your budget, but Mirrormade is the cheapest Copy Enchantment I know of that Zur can fetch, and it can also copy an artifact, so if there is a ramp rock out Zur can find mana. Another way Zur can ramp you is The Restoration of Eiganjo Flip, which also turns into a creature. Dance of Many is a pretty interesting option if someone has a really big body out against you, not sure if you face many Blightsteels.
If you like to run Rule of Law effects in Zur, you might enjoy using a little Moderation to fuel you, it's a nice cheap card. If you can draw enough cards, Stronghold Machinist and/or Stronghold Biologist are pretty interesting cards. Obviously better with Necropotence though.
If you have Vanishing on Zur, you can fetch Out of Time to wipe the board in a shockingly thorough manner, if the board is full nothing is coming back. Obviously better if you can copy it before it goes away, but Copy Enchantment and Estrid's Invocation are both pretty pricey, and there are few things as good as copying All That Glitters. Another weird thing you could do is combine Spy Kit with Cornered Market, nobody can play creatures, if you have Zur out then you should be set.
If Propaganda or Ghostly Prison are too pricey, War Tax can be an interesting alternative, it's especially useful in a Rule of Law deck where you can't play multiple Sorcery speed spells, this lets you use spare mana to hassle whomever you want, it's non-targeted and scales with the game.
I always wonder if non-cEDH Zur decks should consider running Honden of Seeing Winds and Sanctum of Calm Waters to draw cards, Zur can find you a few other Shrines if you ever draw into a Draw engine, none better than Sanctum of Stone Fangs. I guess you'd have to decide how much work 2-3 cards per turn is worth, at least once it's set up it doesn't use more resources.
10 months ago
Exquisite Blood would be pretty nice with Zur's Weirding Out, in addition to giving life for Necropotence, and with Protection Racket, it's one thing to pay a few life to keep you from getting a free card, giving you free life feels pretty awful, and Zur can dig out Protection when you just want cards without paying life. You can mention to people you don't run any 2 card combos, so they won't worry about the Sanguine Bond combo with Exquisite Blood.
With Merieke and Zur, I feel like you'd want Pemmin's Aura and/or Freed from the Real, once Zur puts the Aura on her, it's U to kill target creature, and when you're out of U you keep the best creature you can steal until you have mana again. If Merieke is a card you like digging out, there are 3 mana Transmute cards fwiw, Perplex, Dimir Machinations and the ungodly bad Drift of Phantasms.
For Zur, I like having the option to go Voltron, to do so I run All That Glitters and Heliod, Sun-Crowned. If one copy of All That Glitters doesn't quite cut it, there is also Michiko's Reign of Truth Flip, but I mostly use Copy Enchantment, Estrid's Invocation and Mirrormade to make more Glitters if I want a bigger Zur, 3 is usually a 1 hit kill fwiw, and he can dig out an Unblockable aura or Thassa, God of the Sea technically. For Shroud I like Greater Auramancy, but there is also Diplomatic Immunity to consider.
If you don't mind running Vanishing, which is a very good 'dodge' effect for Zur that doesn't cost him Auras/Counters, you can also run the very funny Out of Time to just wipe creatures pretty much permanently. If you have Copy Enchantment effects, you can duplicate this before it goes away to lock away another group of creatures, very nasty vs large creature boards, and Zur finds both pieces.
Another funny Zur card is Dance of Many, which can duplicate a creature you can target, a very strong effect if your meta cares about powerful creatures. If people run Mill in your area, Nighthowler can be fetched out for a big creature or be drawn to make Zur bigger.
You can't fetch it out, but like Mother of Runes it's very good to have out, Devoted Caretaker can offer very versatile protection to more stuff.
If you want something pretty dirty you can pull out vs opponents that are running stronger than expected decks, your Smothering Tithe works very well with Stasis, which also likes Black Market Connections, though you'll want Brave the Sands to give Zur (and your board) Vigilance. Stasis also likes Archon of Emeria and you're already running Thalia, Heretic Cathar. It's certainly not fetching out Heliod after you've dropped Balista, this doesn't win on the spot, but it's a very strong/nasty effect to have access to, even if you don't dig it out very often. Fortunately Stasis is the only piece you wouldn't want to draw!
1 year ago
I'm well, hope you are, too! I don't have quite enough time as I thought I might to go through an in-depth suggestion process, but I've put the highlights below: