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Hushwing Gryff Discussion
21 hours ago
1 week ago
Its not a bad build for a beginner, however there are some cards I personally don't like, in my many times of testing
Ankle Shanker - Its not a BAD card, but if you reanimate, it doesn't trigger his ability, cause he was never declared as an attacker. Otherwise, its an ok card, but a card like Master of Cruelties would be better and provide a game winning play.
Burnished Hart - With a low curve, Sad Robot is better in the long run. Sure this guy gets you lands, but you are better off running more Signets or mana ramp
Ponyback Brigade - I'm not saying its a bad card, but for the mana you are paying, you aren't getting much value. I'd run something with more utility, like Knight-Captain of Eos, which synergizes with the deck but ALSO creates tokens for blocking or helps to fog the field if someone goes wide. Mogg War Marshal, Noosegraf Mob are other inexpensive (money wise) cards that make tokens as well
Rakka Mar - Other than being recurable, this doesn't really provide you much advantage. a 2/2 that makes a 3/1 isn't overly fantastic.
Behind the Scenes - While it is good, there are much better things you can run. The only creature you don't really want dying is Alesha, so focus more on cards that keep her alive or swing in without issues.
Impact Tremors - Less effective than Purphoros, God of the Forge (though a better "budget" card), I don't see alot of "abuse" you get from it. In my version of the deck, I have at least 9 token producers, two of which are on attack only so I get more value from them. I recommend either going more tokens, or focus more on things of yours dying, like Blood Artist, Zulaport Cutthroat and Falkenrath Noble to start draining life from the opponents.
Mana base is what it comes to for a budget deck. Can't really comment on it too much
One thing that shuts down an Alesha/any ETB focused deck, is cards like Torpor Orb and Hushwing Gryff. While these may or may not be in your meta, having the answers to them is key. Wear / Tear, Disenchant are two artifact AND enchantment removal, and inexpensive (money wise), helping you turn off other strategies or things that are hindering your plan or can slow down people.
Personally I'd remove Mardu Banner, and instead include Fellwar Stone, if nothing else. This gives you another signet like effect, and is low enough CMC to help you get to where you need to go. Non-budget I'd get a Chromatic Lantern as an upgrade
Cards I'd consider adding:
Sadistic Hypnotist/Mind Slash - Both of these cards, while can only be used at sorcery speed, can help to disrupt players hands and can help to take them off of cards, without overly affecting your board, depending on whats going on.
Mindless Automaton - Personally I like card draw guys you can use more than once. Mindless Automaton can fuel discard effects, while also adding to the card draw. Even if you reanimate him, he gets blocked, you get to draw a card. Other card draw effects I'd consider are Phyrexian Arena, Greed, Smuggler's Copter ect.
Open the Armory/Steelshaper's Gift - Both help you to get much needed equipment out. Non budget version would be Enlightened Tutor, Stoneforge Mystic ect. Tutors are very much needed to get cards you need, but with enough card draw you can easily offset the loss of "I need X Card" to "I can draw multiple cards and dig into it", or use Viscera Seer to begin scrying to it.
As noted, the deck seems fine as a whole, but there are some cards I'd change for more consistency. I will link my deck below for reference. I personally really like my current build, and just need to work on tweaking it as I try new things and see what works and what doesn't. Hope this helps!
1 week ago
If I may suggest Hushwing Gryff as a great Flash card! It's got great utility in commander, and also has Flash, so it fits your theme!
2 weeks ago
How many cards can you think of that are mean to "mean" players? I want to build a deck that forces opponents to win in "fair ways", and I'd love help finding cards for a deck like this!
Using MagicalHacker - List of All Anti-Tutor Cards, MagicalHacker - List of All Gold-Hate Cards, MagicalHacker - List of All Anti-Infinite Cards, and MagicalHacker - List of All Anti-Control Cards, I found these cards (organized by color):
Based on those cards, I think I'm going to build a gruul deck using Ruric Thar, the Unbowed as the commander or a cheap commander that can help ramp me into my cards (Radha, Heir to Keld). Some questions:
- Are there any other cards for gruul that you think would fit this theme?
- Are there any reasons to choose something other than gruul?
- If gruul is the best for this, what gruul commander should I use, and why?
2 weeks ago
Alrighty, so from the top.
To Iron_Cube: Restoration Angel and Cloudstone Curio seem like pretty solid options that I'm still considering, but I'm not sure yet what to cut. If I had to choose between the two I would go with just Cloudstone Curio. The land recommendations are good, but not my style. I can't bear to hurt myself to gain that mana, because I hate when I have all the colors I need and I'm still hurting myself late game. I also feel that you might bed horrified to learn that I just took Chromatic Lantern out. I did this because the mana has been really smooth lately. No one in my playgroup plays hate, but if they did no ETB would help. Ixidron can flip Hushwing Gryff and Merciless Eviction can remove whatever else. Reclamation Sage is a solid choice, but I already have 6 different (but spendier) ways to remove artifacts\ enchantments.
To JaceTheSwagSculptor: You're right, my mana curve is unfortunately very high. I rarely run into color problems, but I need to have a lot of mana to be able to do the things I need to do. Somewhere around 10-13 mana is when I get my elbow room. Regarding board wipes, in the early game I keep my hand full by playing things that help me and blinking/bouncing them, rather than playing more cards. When board wipes come up, I don't have a lot to lose, and/or I can frequently save them with Crystal Shard, Eerie Interlude, Flickerwisp, Ghostway, Mistmeadow Witch, Otherworldly Journey, Roon of the Hidden Realm, and Turn to Mist. This has frequently caused board wipes to backfire on opponents. And with Eternal Witness or Archaeomancer, the instants are retrieved. And the card advantage options I have work well for me, if I draw them of course. But I can easily topdeck a Temur Ascendancy, Cloudblazer, Coiling Oracle, or Eternal Witness and get 2-6 cards into my hand. As for the win-con, it's pretty unfocused. My strategy is rather drawn out, maybe painful. Opponents usually run out of cards, lose their permanents, and then I'll kill with Cromat or Magister Sphinx. I play a strategy that is perhaps frowned upon, where I just try to leave them with nothing. No hand, no permanents. Unfocused. However, I do win fairly often against a competitive playgroup, and it is very rewarding for me. Do you have any win-con suggestions? I haven't really seen anything that feels that conclusive. although Rite of Replication can sometimes be very conclusive.
To Alkadron: I'm glad you think it looks fun! As for the ramp suggestions you posted, Kor Cartographer appeals to me. I had forgotten about him because I only recently got the last 2 shocklands, both containing white. I already have 2 ways to fetch my forests, and it hurts me inside when I draw one of those after all my forests are out. So I don't want to overdo it. And Knight of the White Orchid is uncomfortably conditional. And those cheap dual-type lands are good suggestions, but I have the shocklands for that purpose already, and I've worked on avoiding lands that enter tapped, since originally all my lands did that. I know that this isn't ramp, but for the purposes of consistently hitting land drops, what do you think of Shard Convergence? Does anyone have experience with this? And I appreciate the advice about critically evaluating cards. Mindclaw Shaman is an example of a hit-or-miss card that sometimes has little value, sometimes is crucial. I'll keep my eye on those cards. Thank you for that advice.
To Snickles@EDH_only: Horde of Notions looks like a very fun commander with plenty of potential, but I consider that to be a very different deck, because I don't want to be limited to elementals. The deck is just too different.
I love the responses, and you've helped me to remember forgotten cards, narrow down some problem areas, and reevaluate wincons. Please keep it coming!
2 weeks ago
Needs more Hushwing Gryff
For serious, though, looks like fun. Tons of neat synergies.
I agree with above posters: you should be running a lot more Ramp. Stuff like Kor Cartographer, Knight of the White Orchid, Silverglade Elemental, Yavimaya Dryad will help you out a lot, if you pack your mana base with the cheap dual-type lands (like from Amonkhet or Cinder Glade).
Not sure what to cut. Best advice: just play a lot of games, and think critically the whole time about what cards are disappointing you or not pulling their weight. Stuff might seem good but die immediately, or you might draw into stuff and think "well this is useless right now." Cut those cards.
2 weeks ago
The same thing Superman does when he encounters kryptonite; dramatically scream, lay on the floor, and get wrecked.
- Torpor Orb: 3220
- Hushwing Gryff: 1718
- Humility: 1150
I can Birthing Pod HoN. HoN's ability does have some relevance.
That card is cool, but I don't think it is relevant enough to put in the deck. It's something to think about thhough.
2 weeks ago
Ok, looks like an interesting start for a casual deck. I'll reccomend a full set of Evolving Wilds and Terramorphic Expanse as it makes tri-colour a lot cheaper and more reliable mana-wise. However, given what you're running, you could feasably cut green entirely and make this a pure control list with second sun/nde as a wincon, or take a look at Mystic Snake and Cloudshift effects. You'll likely be wanting to keep the curve low and run stuff like Serum Visions, Negate, Unsummon, Think Twice Detention Sphere etc, backed by later game draw in Hieroglyphic Illumination or Think Twice.Some less played sideboard cards are fairly functional- Hushwing Gryff etc. List of Modern Sideboard Staples covers most of them.
Main thing is to test cards before you go get them, and have fun. Hope it all works out