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Join Forces — Starting with you, each player may pay any amount of mana. Each player searches his or her library for up to X basic land cards, where X is the total amount of mana paid this way, puts them onto the battlefield tapped, then shuffles his or her library.
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Collective Voyage Discussion
1 month ago
The following group hug cards are in your list:
- Collective Voyage
- Dictate of Karametra
- Eladamri's Vineyard
- Heartbeat of Spring
- Keeper of Progenitus
- Natural Balance
- New Frontiers
- Tempt with Discovery
- Vernal Bloom
- Veteran Explorer
You are missing Spoils of Victory
1 month ago
Good thoughts. I understand.
How is Restore working for you? Are there enough fetches in your meta to make it usable?
I personally dislike the cards that also give opponents mana. Unless group hug is a theme it seems dangerous to give, I dunno, the Mono red or Boros players so much mana, shoring up their weaknesses. I'm a Boros/red player so someone dropping an early Collective Voyage seems like a dream come true haha! Just my opinion!
Good to have a better knowledge of the deck philosophy.
I'm sure you've considered them, but may I ask where Mercurial Pretender, Sakashima the Impostor, Vesuvan Shapeshifter, and Vizier of Many Faces are? They all seem better than Clone at the very least, able to bounce themselves(repeated ETB effects) or in the case of Vesuvan Shapeshifter, get out before the creature you want to copy, allowing you more utility and better timing.
Mirage Mirror will be great and was probably my best suggestion, looking back haha!
Etali, Primal Storm steals cards, not amazing but more of a "fun card" suggestion.
Now, I won't give suggestions on this quite yet, but your deck is seriously lacking some instant speed interaction. To really make this work in multiplayer(especially on Game Knights, where a lot of crazy stuff happens and there's a lot of interaction), you'll need some removal and/or counterspells I think. you'll have to sacrifice some theme for some consistency.
You might also like more recursion, as this is a creature based deck, you'll probably like to get them back from time to time.
1 month ago
Suns_Champion I spent some time to review the deck, and the ramp package (save one Kodama's Reach) is actually looking pretty decent. Here is my current ramp package featuring nine total cards: Restore, Rampant Growth, Chromatic Lantern, Collective Voyage, Tempt with Discovery, Sol Ring, Fellwar Stone, Commander's Sphere, and Zendikar Resurgent.
Unfortunately, Birds of Paradise is a no go with this build. Creatures have to meet one of three criterea to be in this deck. They have to Clone, steal cards (Gonti, Lord of Luxury), or buff (Thunderfoot Baloth). The only exception to this rule is Biovisionary. Remember I can also clone mana dorks and artifacts (or just steal them outright if I want), as my opponents' creatures are my creatures. I also keep a lot of red, as Ludevic, Necro-Alchemist needs to be out by turn three.
As for your other recommendations, Mirage Mirror definitely tops the list. I like the idea of that amount of flexibility on a card (not to mention the ability to hide it in the lands during a board wipe). I would like to add in the flash options, like Vedalken Orrery, but that will take cutting more cards. Mimic Vat feels like a trap card, as I don't want to exile too much from graveyards. I may proxy it and see how it plays before I splurge on it.
Faerie Artisans was in the initial build of the deck, and I HATED IT. I had no control over what I did, and if the player right before me played jank, I missed out on what I actually wanted. Nothing like having an Ulamog, the Ceaseless Hunger replaced by an Elvish Mystic.
I have made a LOT of changes since this build, but if this is the deck that I bring on the show, I'll update the deck-list then. Keep the suggestions coming!!
1 month ago
I think the deck is missing some ramp staple like Collective Voyage, Nature's Lore, Farseek, Nissa's Pilgrimage, Tempt with Discovery, and Boundless Realms as a finisher. I think you should increase your ramp package by at least 2 of those spells and as result the manabase should be incremented at 39 lands at least
Tireless Tracker is a super solid budget card draw as well as Lifecrafter's Bestiary
Greenwarden of Murasa its a big Eternal Witness that let you recast your ramp spells
Lotus Cobra it's a bit costly but a super good upgrade
Thunderfoot Baloth,Pathbreaker Ibex, Overwhelming Stampede, Liege of the Tangle are all cheap and good finishers!
The deck is also missing some tutoring like Eldritch Evolution (awesome card, still cheap for some reason) and Signal the Clans or if you increase a little bit the budget Green Sun's Zenith, Natural Order and Chord of Calling
2 months ago
Aren't you a little worried about the early game? It seems that the average creature cost is 6+ and only 1 mana rock and 3 ramp spells. I feel you will have a hard time staying alive to cast your cards against an aggressive field.
I usually like to play 37 lands with 10 mana rocks and 10 Ramps spells in my green decks. here are some to consider: Drover of the Mighty, Birds of Paradise, Darksteel Ingot, Commander's Sphere, Collective Voyage, Oreskos Explorer, Tempt with Discovery, Veteran Explorer, Expedition Map, Gift of Estates, Greenseeker, Journey of Discovery, Horizon Spellbomb, Journeyer's Kite/Thaumatic Compass Flip, Mycosynth Wellspring, Nissa, Vastwood Seer Flip, Peregrination, Pilgrim's Eye, Search for Tomorrow, Seek the Horizon, Sprouting Vines, Sylvan Reclamation, Sylvan Ranger, Sylvan Scrying, Weathered Wayfarer, Yavimaya Elder, Wild-Field Scarecrow, Burnished Hart
2 months ago
It might be just me, but it seems hard to get enough land out to cast mana-heavy spells. I only see three or so fetch land cards, but even with 40 lands, this looks very slow. Maybe add Explosive Vegetation or Collective Voyage if you like politicking? and some fetch land chump blockers like Primal Druid and Viridian Emissary
But, I have to agree that playing those high cost cards feels awesome, and i'm definitely going to use that infinite mana combo
2 months ago
What this doesn't include:
Cards that ramp all players
Glances at list and sees Collective Voyage
3 months ago
What ramp is best, what to cut?