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Keening Stone Discussion
1 month ago
i run a similar list and find that just big butts with no real abilities just don't make the cut. I'd recommend droping Hover Barrier for the incredibly powerful Eater of the Dead, which pretty much goes infinite with Phenax as long as there's a few creatures in each players graveyard. I'd also drop Staff of the Mind Magus and Tome Scour for Lightning Greaves and Swiftfoot Boots to get combos going faster, I've often found I wont even play out my combo pieces without at least one of these two cards available to me. I also like the Traumatize with either Fraying Sanity or Keening Stone combo for the mill out, might be worth fitting those cards in as well. overall a really fun deck to pilot especially 1v1, if you can make it work it's an incredibly satisfying win
1 month ago
To start, I'll work on the manabase. Temple of the False God and Darksteel Ingot should be dropped immediately, with Talisman of Indulgence and Mind Stone as nearly direct upgrades in this specific deck. I would also drop Rogue's Passage, Dismal Backwater, a single Swamp, and Dimir Aqueduct for Darkwater Catacombs, River of Tears, Fetid Pools, and Underground River.
This should smothen your draws and manabase, giving you your colors faster and more efficiently, for a small cost. Other cards I would drop outside the manabase would be Grisly Spectacle, Balustrade Spy, In Bolas's Clutches, Hedonist's Trove, Psychic Strike, Fated Return, Keening Stone, Mindcrank, Trepanation Blade, Riddlekeeper, Dreadwaters, Increasing Confusion, Paranoid Delusions, Psychic Drain, and Traumatize, many of these 15 cards are simply overcosted or only affect one player, and don't do enough.
Cards I would run instead would be Animate Dead, Ink-Eyes, Servant of Oni, Phenax, God of Deception, Mesmeric Orb, Szadek, Lord of Secrets, Counterspell, Brainstorm, Ponder, Stroke of Genius, Prismatic Lens, Jace, Memory Adept, Dreamborn Muse, Thought Scour, Dimir Charm, Whispering Madness
2 months ago
One planeswalker that might benefit this deck is Liliana Vess. With her ability to tutor a card every other turn you can get out your key cards that much earlier. Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver is another one. For artifacts there is Keening Stone and Sands of Delirium. And for sorcery spells there is Increasing Confusion and Nightmare Incursion. Just some other possibilities for ya.
3 months ago
One card I have not seen mentioned,which Muldrotha hates and can be your Commander: Anafenza, the Foremost. Often overlooked, you can go two routes with her in charge. The first is the one I use, probably not the stronger option. Build up an army boosted by +1/+1 counters that add abilities to your creatures. The second, just plain evil option, is Anafenza mill/go ahead and kill my creatures option. Grave Pact, Dictate of Erebos, Butcher of Malakir, Trepanation Blade, Keening Stone, Balustrade Spy, Destroy the Evidence, Martyr's Bond and the like make Muldrotha's plan painful to execute.
3 months ago
Couple of notes up front (might just be due to ongoing edits):
- You have 2 copies of Victory Chimes in the list
- You only have 96 cards in the list (including the duplicate above) instead of 100
Want to suggest a couple of deck strategies to consider focusing in on (they are all fairly synergistic but it might help to pick one to focus on to help the deck feel like it has a clearer win condition):
With your current list of mill-value and beats, the missing pieces only seem to be ways to close the game.
- Keening Stone to close out a player with mill
- Necrotic Ooze to take advantage of any opponents' powerful abilities
- Consuming Aberration and Lord of Extinction seem quite good
- Psychosis Crawler takes advantage of the multiple windfall effects you are running but otherwise isn't too synergistic
- Splinterfright is a cheaper Lhurgoyf with better keywording and a synergistic 'tax' that works in your favor. Terravore might be worth considering too.
Discard Group Slug
I think this is a really interesting avenue for Muldrotha: running cards like Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur, Waste Not, Oppression, Mindslicer and Myojin of Night's Reach to clear out your own and opponents' hands while benefiting from Muldrotha and other graveyard recursion effects to allow yourself to keep making plays. It would be a deck unlike any other at our table so far.
Other solid cards that support this archetype:
- Scythe Specter, Hypnotic Specter, Liliana's Specter
- Cabal Conditioning
- Words of Waste
- Necrogen Mists
- Bloodhusk Ritualist
- Bottomless Pit
- Sword of Feast and Famine (yeah, expensive though)
- Painful Quandary
- Archfiend of Ifnir
Graveyard Theft or Pure Recursion
This concept would run recursion spells like Boneyard Parley to steal the best things from opponents graveyards. In this case, Muldrotha allows us to consistently run targeted recursion from our graveyard, and we can focus our deck construction on the grave-robbing package. Because of Muldrotha's ability, we want to focus primarily on "theft on sticks" which we can repeatedly cast as needed, likely leaning heavily into Black.
Theft on Sticks examples
- Chainer, Dementia Master
- Dance of the Dead
- Scion of Darkness
- Chancellor of the Spires can both jump-start your mill value and borrow a winner from someone's yard. Sam has one.
3 months ago
Oh wow! Can you tell me more about this infinite loop? In my deck there are already some.
the ones that I know are these, though I don't use all of them:
- Phenax, God of Deception + Eater of the Dead;
- Phenax, God of Deception + Thousand-Year Elixir (or any haste provider, which Dimir doesn't have) + Undead Alchemist;
- Duskmantle Guildmage + Mindcrank + any mill "starter";
- Fleet Swallower/Traumatize + Keening Stone/Fraying Sanity;
- Junktroller/Hinder/Spell Crumple/Ether Well + Tunnel Vision;
- Infinite mana + Mind Grind;
4 months ago
If you are looking to mill someone, consider Altar of the Brood and Keening Stone. Thopter producers like Pentavus, Thopter Spy Network, and Sharding Sphinx would help trigger the altar. Padeem, Consul of Innovation can help protect your artifacts.
4 months ago
While a mill deck in commander is hard to create, as most of the usable/good mill cards target, it is a lot of fun to play. Discard is a little easier, but not by much. Also, the best colour combination for this type of deck is U/B and Atraxa has two extra colours that don't really help as well as her ability not synergising very well with mill or discard. Anyway, you asked and I shall try to deliver.
First the milling essentials: Glimpse the Unthinkable is the best mill spell bar none and is required. Secondly Increasing Confusion is quite good for commander, as mana totals will get quite large. Thirdly, Mind Funeral is great, as is Mind Grind. Fourthly, Mind Sculpt and Tome Scour mill for 7 and 5 respectfully, which is not too great, so only run them if you feel like that small amount of mill is extremely useful. Fifth, Hedron Crab is a great one drop due to the mill 3 per land you drop. Also, speaking of one drops, Jace's Phantasm is a good creature that soon becomes great with mill and discard. Sixth, Nemesis of Reason is stupidly good as it mills 10 per attack! It doesn't even need to cause damage! Startled Awake Flip is a nice mill spell and recurs too. Another great creature, and my recommended commander, is Szadek, Lord of Secrets. His milling will get massive really fast. All you need to do is get him in unblocked. Use Rogue's Passage or Whispersilk Cloak. Some good beaters are Consuming Aberration and Sewer Nemesis. If you don't care about price, then Jace, the Mind Sculptor is awesome, but if budget is a thing Jace Beleren is a nice cheap replacement. Now onto the milling combos! Traumatize and Fraying Sanity completely destroy an opponent, as does Keening Stone and Fraying Sanity. Archive Trap and Ghost Quarter are great together, as is Maralen of the Mornsong and Archive Trap. Also, Ghost Quarter helps get rid of land for Mind Funeral and Mind Grind. Lastly, Jace's Erasure and any card draw is quite nice. Thats about it for mill, now onto discard!
First off you need Waste Not. It is beautiful. The Rack works when you have made them discard down to 2 or less, which is one of your goals. Quest for the Nihil Stone and Shrieking Affliction are like The Rack - dealing small damage when opponents don't have hands. Liliana's Caress and Megrim do small amounts of damage per discarded card, which is nice. Bottomless Pit helps keep opponents hands empty, as does Necrogen Mists. Oppression is awesome, as is Painful Quandary, and both together is god-tier. Underworld Dreams is nice little 'screw you' after they loose their hands. Jin-Gitaxias, Core Augur murders everyone but you late game. Nath of the Gilt-Leaf is goddamn beautiful and breaks even more when you have Sadistic Hypnotist, Nezumi Bone-Reader and/or Mind Slash out. Another awesome combo is Mindcrank plus Bloodchief Ascension with three counters and any discard to an opponent means you kill them. With Dark Deal or similar you win. While these two things are great and all, you need some utility and a way to keep you alive when you suddenly become the target.
To stay alive, you need some pillowforts like Propaganda and Ghostly Prison. Cards like Frozen AEther and Kismet will help keep the opponent's board from becoming too overwhelming and Standstill will prevent spells for a small while. Psychic Spiral is another great spell that gets back all of your mill spells and it also mills an opponent for a little too. Talrand, Sky Summoner is fun with all the spells you are slinging, and he provides an alternate win condition. Another alternate win is through infection. Cards like Flesh-Eater Imp, Hand of the Praetors, Phyrexian Crusader, Phyrexian Juggernaut, Necropede, Putrefax, Plague Stinger and Corpse Cur all win you the game when they deal 10 damage to an opponent. Also, Skithiryx, the Blight Dragon is a good option but is quite expensive. Cards like Giant Growth make you win harder. Infect is where Atraxa shines due to the added poison counters to each opponent every time you finish your turn. Adding Contagion Engine might even make your opponents scoop.
Good God, that is a big slab of writing. Here is a deck list I made for you: Atraxa makes you loose your mind!. Tell me what you think!