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Creature — Spider
Undergrowth — When you cast this spell, reveal the top X cards of your library, where X is the number of creature cards in your graveyard. You may put a green permanent card with converted mana cost X or less from among them onto the battlefield. Put the rest on the bottom of your library in a random order.
6 months ago
So excited to see this deck! I had Ishkanah, Grafwidow for awhile before the announcement for Chatterfang, Squirrel General came out. I might make a few suggestions: Doom Weaver and Graverobber Spider with some sort of sac outlet is great. Also, Hatchery Spider did a lot of great work for me. Last spiders that I loved are Sporeweb Weaver, Watcher in the Web and Sweet-Gum Recluse.
I’ve found that cards like Meren of Clan Nel Toth and Syr Konrad, the Grim are particularly powerful with the spider tribe and what they’re doing. You can get extra value out of them by throwing in a Maskwood Nexus and making them all spiders themselves.
Lastly, I’d look at your ramp for this. Three Visits or Nature's Lore or Skyshroud Claim. Deathcap Cultivator and Elves of Deep Shadow are nice dorks. She’s a little pricey, but if you can get Liliana of the Dark Realms you’ve got fabulous creatures to protect her.
Sorry, that was a lot, but it love the deck and had a lot of peoples say spiders aren’t that good. Hope you have fun with it!
1 year ago
This is truly a mishmash, but out of all your creatures the ones that jump out at me are the disproportionately high number of spiders. Spider tribal could be an interesting direction to move the deck in, although switching to Golgari or at least Jund would probably be necessary. Black gives you access to graveyard interaction that benefits cards like Hatchery Spider while also having a fair number of good spider cards. Some modern options for such a deck are Arasta of the Endless Web, Graverobber Spider, Ishkanah, Grafwidow, Nyx Weaver, Rotwidow Pack, Chainweb Aracnir, Twin-Silk Spider, Spider Spawning, Blex, Vexing Pest Flip, Renowned Weaver, Metallic Mimic, Adaptive Automaton, Obelisk of Urd, and Coat of Arms.
If you are more interested in staying red, one option is to focus on your combat tricks with cards that like being targeted. Silverfur Partisan and Zada, Hedron Grinder are a great pair for such a deck. Cheap buffs with bonus effects like Confront the Unknown and Expedite work well in such a shell, as do cards that care about having many creatures like Might of the Masses.
1 year ago
I'd start by identifying what you want the main goal of your deck to be. I see two main ideas here that could be built around.
The first is dealing unblocked damage by disincentivizing blocks with deathtouch. Darkblade Agent , Eternal of Harsh Truths , Graveblade Marauder , and maybe Blightsteel Colossus (with enough reanimation) fit this archetype. Because of the two "blade" cards, there is some overlap with the second archetype which I'll cover next (and if you keep them, cards like Notion Rain , Mission Briefing , Thought Erasure , and Discovery / Dispersal are likely to get more mileage than Divination or Secrets of the Golden City ), but there may be even better ways to profit from unblocked creatures. Curiosity enchantments like Curious Obsession , Sixth Sense , and Keen Sense are frequent accompaniments to the Invisible Stalker s and other bogles of the world, and Bident of Thassa is a strong option for those going wide. I like Quietus Spike as a sort of midway point between Basilisk Collar and Master of Cruelties in decks like these too. Other beaters to get in with could be Tomebound Lich , Oona's Blackguard , Dimir Cutpurse , Looter il-Kor , Shadowmage Infiltrator , Surrakar Spellblade , Wharf Infiltrator , or Virtus the Veiled if he's legal in whatever format this is for. More generic deathtouch synergy could include Hooded Blightfang , Viridian Longbow , Thornbite Staff , Psionic Gift enchantments, and any source of first strike. Finally, I like Cipher as a way to gain advantage from repeated attacks, so maybe a Hidden Strings or Paranoid Delusions could come in handy.
The second main idea is to stack the graveyard(s) with as many creatures as possible to extract value from Undergrowth and similar mechanics. Avatar of Woe , Lotleth Giant , Trepanation Blade , Teferi's Tutelage , and some of your Disentomb effects fit here. Major threats in these kinds of decks include Wight of Precinct Six , Jace's Phantasm , Consuming Aberration , Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker , Fleet Swallower , Nemesis of Reason , Bonehoard , Mortivore , and Nighthowler . If you want to focus on your own graveyard, green is a great color to dip into as I alluded to earlier. Ghoultree , Boneyard Wurm , Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord , Splinterfright , Nyx Weaver , Nemesis of Mortals , Spider Spawning , and Kessig Cagebreakers are just some of the tools you get access to. Golgari is also the king of Undergrowth, so Hatchery Spider , Izoni, Thousand-Eyed , Molderhulk , Rhizome Lurcher / Undergrowth Scavenger , Kraul Harpooner , and Necrotic Wound are on the table. If milling your opponents is more your thing, some staples to consider are Thought Scour , Sphinx's Tutelage , Drown in the Loch , Traumatize , Fraying Sanity , and the crab duo. Jace's Erasure , Psychic Corrosion , and the Tutelage pair benefit the most from other draw synergy, and Visions of Beyond is an obvious inclusion if that's the route you take. Either way, I'd cut down to only the most efficient of your reanimate to hand cards and the like since you don't want to be stuck with a fist full of them and no creatures in the graveyard to target. Speaking of cuts, for maximum power, it's usually correct to play as close to the 60 card minimum as possible. Picking a single strategy to hone in on should make it easier to whittle down to the most important 60 in the deck.
If you have questions, let me know. Good luck with your build!
1 year ago
+1 and also going to recommend to a friend who may or may not be in a “deck slump”. I think he could get inspiration from this.
Your silly ring strategy is silly and we all know there is only ONE RING to rule them all. laughs in Sauron
Missing one big spider. Hatchery Spider potentially lands you a big green thing, even though it is not snow. Shelob demands to be represented!
You add that and I believe you complete the puzzle. I love your theme, it is ambitious and well written. You used all your canvas space well.
2 years ago
Good start. I think Spiders can be pretty scary when they get set up. The real advantage of this tribe is the defense they offer, making it very hard to attack you.
You are really low on lands. I think 36 would be a minimum, but 37-38 might be ideal considering how slow spiders are. I would recommend Oran-Rief, the Vastwood to make your spiders bigger. Bojuka Bog could also easily make an appearance here. A few more dual and tri-lands to smooth out your mana wouldn't hurt, either.
You're missing a few spiders I would consider important, notably Silklash Spider, Spider Spawning, Arachnogenesis, Hatchery Spider, Nyx Weaver, Jungle Weaver (cycling and a fatty is nice) and Blightwidow. There are also the anti-flying spiders Oran-Rief Recluse and Stingerfling Spider that will often have good targets. In a format where Lightning Greaves is a staple, I like having access to Acid Web Spider.
In terms of synergy with Thantis, Obscuring Haze seems great, Crawlspace seems good at directing combat elsewhere, and Sight of the Scalelords gives your team vigilance and they also get pretty beefy.
In terms of cuts, I would start with the large amount of tricks you are playing. They are okay 1v1, but start to look a lot worse in multiplayer. Some number of Dark Dabbling, Undying Evil, Without Weakness, Kaya's Ghostform, and Minion's Return would be fine.
You also have a series of instants and sorceries that don't offer enough value in my opinion, such as Crash Through and Pyretic Ritual. Explore won't work too well with only 32 lands, either.
I would also think about cutting Viper's Kiss and Atarka's Command.
I don't know if you mistook her for a spider, but Xira Arien is an insect. You could be playing much better card draw instead of her.
Hope this helps!
2 years ago
triproberts12 thanks for the tips! So far the league budget hasn’t seemed to leave anyone too overpowered, but I’d definitely bring it up with my group if it became an issue.
As for the some of the more high-costed cards like Hatchery Spider and The Mending of Dominaria, I’m a little hesitant to add some of them because there are some more control based decks in my league, currently Nekusar, the Mindrazer and Emry, Lurker of the Loch. I also considered adding some other persist creatures like Puppeteer Clique but I can’t fetch them along with the rest of my combo pieces with Protean Hulk but I do like the idea of them for late game so I’ll just have to start testing some of them and see.
2 years ago
Isn't this backwards of how these leagues normally work? I thought the winner is the only one that doesn't get the budget bump, so the most powerful deck doesn't snowball.
Anyway, Mindwrack Harpy is the most pushed intro deck card I've ever seen. That's my first add.
I also like putting in more creatures with ETB effects. It's kind of awkward that you'll want to tap mana dorks for Hogaak. Glowspore Shaman, Golgari Thug, Crow of Dark Tidings, Gamekeeper, and Mire Triton can all help get Hogaak out by turn 3 if you have a good turn 1 play.
There are a lot of good gold cards in BG graeyard stuff, too: If you have anyone that's relying on indestructibility, Drown in Filth is a good budget option to feed your graveyard. If you're built around Hogaak, I'd think it should regularly be a hard removal spell with upside. Nyx Weaver is just a great card in any graveyard deck, and cheap, too. Jarad's Orders is a good double-tutor. Underrealm Lich is worth the $2, in my opinion. I would also ask yourself whether Eternal Witness is $3.50 better than Acolyte of Affliction/Golgari Findbroker/Treasured Find. Storrev, Devkarin Lich didn't get much fanfare, but the power and price tag are there.
Animist's Awakening is good value at just over $1. World Shaper and Splendid Reclamation are a little more expensive, but higher impact than other $4-5 cards I see in the list. Lower on the ramp ladder, note that Harrow and Springbloom Druid put a land in the yard. Funeral Rites isn't a bad draw spell for this deck. Same for Winding Way, Gather the Pack and Relentless Pursuit. Syphon Mind doesn't have much to do with the theme, but I start with it in most of my black value decks. Dark Deal could be very good, especially if your draw power is maximized and you can use your yard as a second hand. Greenwarden of Murasa is just a powerful card. Same for Phyrexian Delver.
Some other general budget cards for considering: Ransack the Lab, Corpse Churn, Dead Reckoning, Grapple with the Past, Hatchery Spider, Millikin, Mindwrack Demon, Once and Future, Splinterfright, The Mending of Dominaria, Skullwinder, Blood for Bones, and Vigor Mortis.
2 years ago
Given no context I found these in under 30 minutes
Izoni, Thousand-Eyed , Hatchery Spider , Mausoleum Secrets , Molderhulk , Alesha, Who Smiles at Death , Apprentice Necromancer , Mindwrack Demon , Manic Scribe , Inexorable Blob , To the Slaughter , Epicenter , Kirtar's Wrath , Putrid Imp , Stitch Together , Shower of Coals , Repentant Vampire , Wayward Angel , Bloodbond March , Blood for Bones , Brawn , Charnelhoard Wurm , Charnel Troll , Circular Logic , Corrupted Grafstone , Corpseweft , Countervailing Winds , Crackling Drake , Crop Sigil , Dance of the Manse , Disciple of the Ring , Tasigur's Cruelty , Tasigur, the Golden Fang , Treasure Cruise , Sibsig Muckdraggers , Rite of Undoing , Empty the Pits , Magmatic Sinkhole , Murderous Cut , Logic Knot , Necropolis Fiend