Visions of Beyond

Visions of Beyond

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Draw a card. If a graveyard has twenty or more cards in it, draw three cards instead.

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Visions of Beyond Discussion

Guerric on Anowon & his 23 thieves

1 month ago

Visions of Beyond looks like a good card to cut. It just doesn't do enough.YourNeighborhoodGhost is absolutely right on Scheming Symmetry . Tutor whatever you want for one mana and your opponent will never see it bc you'll mill it. Phenax, God of Deception and Consuming Aberration are also mill staples. They aren't rogues, but are powerful.

TheVectornaut on Blue-Black Deck

3 months ago

I'd start by identifying what you want the main goal of your deck to be. I see two main ideas here that could be built around.

The first is dealing unblocked damage by disincentivizing blocks with deathtouch. Darkblade Agent , Eternal of Harsh Truths , Graveblade Marauder , and maybe Blightsteel Colossus (with enough reanimation) fit this archetype. Because of the two "blade" cards, there is some overlap with the second archetype which I'll cover next (and if you keep them, cards like Notion Rain , Mission Briefing , Thought Erasure , and Discovery / Dispersal are likely to get more mileage than Divination or Secrets of the Golden City ), but there may be even better ways to profit from unblocked creatures. Curiosity enchantments like Curious Obsession , Sixth Sense , and Keen Sense are frequent accompaniments to the Invisible Stalker s and other bogles of the world, and Bident of Thassa is a strong option for those going wide. I like Quietus Spike as a sort of midway point between Basilisk Collar and Master of Cruelties in decks like these too. Other beaters to get in with could be Tomebound Lich , Oona's Blackguard , Dimir Cutpurse , Looter il-Kor , Shadowmage Infiltrator , Surrakar Spellblade , Wharf Infiltrator , or Virtus the Veiled if he's legal in whatever format this is for. More generic deathtouch synergy could include Hooded Blightfang , Viridian Longbow , Thornbite Staff , Psionic Gift enchantments, and any source of first strike. Finally, I like Cipher as a way to gain advantage from repeated attacks, so maybe a Hidden Strings or Paranoid Delusions could come in handy.

The second main idea is to stack the graveyard(s) with as many creatures as possible to extract value from Undergrowth and similar mechanics. Avatar of Woe , Lotleth Giant , Trepanation Blade , Teferi's Tutelage , and some of your Disentomb effects fit here. Major threats in these kinds of decks include Wight of Precinct Six , Jace's Phantasm , Consuming Aberration , Mirko Vosk, Mind Drinker , Fleet Swallower , Nemesis of Reason , Bonehoard , Mortivore , and Nighthowler . If you want to focus on your own graveyard, green is a great color to dip into as I alluded to earlier. Ghoultree , Boneyard Wurm , Jarad, Golgari Lich Lord , Splinterfright , Nyx Weaver , Nemesis of Mortals , Spider Spawning , and Kessig Cagebreakers are just some of the tools you get access to. Golgari is also the king of Undergrowth, so Hatchery Spider , Izoni, Thousand-Eyed , Molderhulk , Rhizome Lurcher / Undergrowth Scavenger , Kraul Harpooner , and Necrotic Wound are on the table. If milling your opponents is more your thing, some staples to consider are Thought Scour , Sphinx's Tutelage , Drown in the Loch , Traumatize , Fraying Sanity , and the crab duo. Jace's Erasure , Psychic Corrosion , and the Tutelage pair benefit the most from other draw synergy, and Visions of Beyond is an obvious inclusion if that's the route you take. Either way, I'd cut down to only the most efficient of your reanimate to hand cards and the like since you don't want to be stuck with a fist full of them and no creatures in the graveyard to target. Speaking of cuts, for maximum power, it's usually correct to play as close to the 60 card minimum as possible. Picking a single strategy to hone in on should make it easier to whittle down to the most important 60 in the deck.

If you have questions, let me know. Good luck with your build!

TheVectornaut on No Deck for you

4 months ago

You have a lot of 5+ cmc cards and not a lot of lands to guarantee they get cast. I'd rather have more mill spells and creatures in the 1-3 range to ensure you're advancing the gameplan in the early stages of the game, especially with only 19 lands. If you do want to keep costs high, Broken Ambitions could make a lot of sense as your counterspell of choice. Otherwise, I like Didn't Say Please or Drown in the Loch for mill, Cryptic Command for flexibility, Dream Fracture for forced draw, or Mana Leak if you just need something efficient on a budget. In replacing Brainstorm, it depends on whether your intentions are to draw as many cards as possible for Jace's Erasure or stack your deck. Visions of Beyond is the more obvious solution to both problems if you can afford it. For card draw, some options are Sphinx's Tutelage, Psychic Corrosion, wheels like Windfall, symmetrical draws like Howling Mine, and maybe a sink like Blue Sun's Zenith. For the more general plan of fixing your draws cheaply, Halimar Depths, Serum Visions, Sleight of Hand, and Telling Time are options that come up frequently.

ConsumingKiribo on Mindwrack harpy's wrath

6 months ago

inker6405 Great! Well, I have a couple of suggestions if you want a mill deck:

Mindwrack Harpy isn't the best. Reducing it to 2 or 3 copies is a bit better as you want it later in the game but you'll still be happy getting it when you need it. Instead, Ruin Crab or Hedron Crab is a much better idea as you can trigger it multiple times through fetchlands, such as Bad River, Evolving Wilds, Fabled Passage, or Polluted Delta if you got the money.

Glimpse the Unthinkable. 10 cards for 2 mana is a great deal. You can't get that kind of value anywhere else.

Maddening Cacophony adds flexibility. Add Fraying Sanity to increase effectiveness, though if games are going a bit faster than you think, Traumatize.

Next, some cards that fit your description found on gatherer. For a full comprehensive list, here's a large link: gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Search/Default.aspx?action=advanced&text=|[%22mill%20one%20or%20more%20cards%22]|[%22card%20is%20put%20into%20an%20opponent%27s%20graveyard%20from%20anywhere%22] But here are my (budget) recommendations:

Duskmantle Guildmage is good in a mill deck as it helps your opponent lose life more and more easily as an alternate win condition.

Profane Memento is worth sideboarding if you absolutely eat it in the 4rth turn because your opponent was playing burn.

Finally, the best non-budget recommendation that pulls everything together would be a great addition to the deck (the deck is 15 bucks, you can relatively keep this deck at like 30, 40 bucks by adding 1 or 2 of this card)

Bloodchief Ascension. This can be your win con. This deck isn't getting anywhere however unless you'll drop 80 bucks on this card. But the number of cards that are unblockable pull this card together, this entire deck together, yeah you'll stall for 2 or 3 turns, and the deck will only work if this is your first card, but if you are going to break the restrictions and make your budget go wack, this is the card that pulls everything together. All you have to do is drop Swimmer in Nightmares and a Sol Ring since you have no Ashiok, and Sol Ring is restricted in every format it isn't banned in.

Sorry, but you're going to have to drop the Sol Ring.

Next, some useless cards in the deck are:

Boot Nipper, it doesn't do anything except being defensive. You aren't going to need it. You have Murder if the opponent has a really big and intimidating creature well, you can just kill it.

Departed Deckhand, Farbog Revenant it does nothing in this deck. You're attacking your opponent's deck, not their life, so focusing on that contributes nothing and wastes resources for precious deck space for better cards.

Filigree Familiar. Honestly, Divination is better. ANYTHING is better. Visions of Beyond is also a suggestion for mill decks.

Kjeldoran Dead. This does nothing. You'll pass someone's attacks anyway because the average game plays out for 6.5 turns. You'll have enough time to play out your strategy. No one is getting out Emrakul, the Promised End. In fact, not many will actually win by getting out some really big creature. Some will create a value engine, others will spam tokens, or just put pressure on you, in which they've already won once they got their win-con out. A chump blocker isn't going to do anything in this format, but it can do something in commander. This isn't commander.

Lurking Deadeye. How are you going to deal damage in the first place? 2 murders are more mana efficient.

Wall of Frost. A better option for this is Wall of Lost Thoughts.

Swimmer in Nightmares, you need an Ashiok Planeswalker. You have more than enough space for Ashiok, Dream Render as some decks focus on resurrecting the dead. However, this might conflict with what you're going for, but it's a recommendation. (Cling to Dust can do it as well if you come across Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath, which hasn't eaten a ban in ANY eternal formats. Not even in Brawl).

tl;dr Again, a lot of cards in here either do nothing or almost do nothing, and without Bloodchief Ascension this deck isn't going to be good. It's a mill deck, but a mill deck isn't good without mill cards. And when only a sixth of the deck is mill cards, that isn't good.

If you're ever confused about deck building, Here's a tip: 25 lands, 20 synergistic (cards that count towards winning) cards, 15 cards that let you do things, draw more cards, destroy inconvenient creatures, or counter Uro, Titan of Nature's Wrath. Or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre, and/or the rest of the Eldrazi titans that haven't eaten a ban.

And also ditch one of your Sol Rings, again they are restricted in vintage and banned in every format that isn't commander.

TheSurgeon on Win or Lose, Draw.

8 months ago

ImaginitiveRascal- Thanks for the suggestions!
Unfortunately, the scry-first spells Preordain and Ponder, are not modern legal. My playgroup keeps everything modern casual/competitive, to keep away from the cookie cutter competitive modern meta.

However, you've given me an idea for another suggestion and game finisher, Visions of Beyond.

Thanks again and play hard!!

lagotripha on Nightmare (Final Draft)

8 months ago

I'm saying play more 1-ofs that you can transmute for. Its the payoff for transmute; golden bullets.

When you need to look out sideboard cards List of Modern Sideboard Staples hasn't been updated in a couple years but still has most of the stuff, but you can also look at tournament lists to see what people are putting in.

Profane Memento,Cling to Dust, Stern Dismissal, Drown in the Loch, Echoing Truth. This could also help you find the power cards you are missing; stuff like Visions of Beyond or the Archive Trap/Scheming Symmetry interactions. Generally the most competitive version of the deck is just fetches and saying "Hedron Crab, save me!", but its been an expensive tier2 list for a long time; there are budget options for a lot of the slots.

If you need power without picking up a bankbreaking manabase, pick up visions and then think about tinkering with Sphinx's Tutelage type 'stick enchantments and draw cards', with spells like Remand to stay alive is fun; the main advantage of non-netdecks and rogue decks is unpredictability; play around with different plans.

Pick sideboard cards based on what your deck needs to do in the matchup; slowing down aggressive decks that want to race you and protecting your threats/putting down a difficult to remove threat against decks that are slower than you. Mostly it'll be specific 'this buys me a couple turns for my orbs to win the game' cards.

Look at why matchups don't feel good and think 'what cards in my hand would have needed to be other cards to win that match'. Sometimes the answer is 'play a different deck', but other times you realise that if a secretkeeper was an Echoing Truth to search for, you'd win.

ThisIsMyAccount on Trouble at the Old Mill!

9 months ago

If you aren't planning on making it to where you can get more value from the crabs, then yes I would consider cutting them for something else. I'm not like a mill expert or anything so I am not sure what exactly.

However, here is something worth considering. This deck has no card draw. This means that either you should add some with Visions of Beyond or play Ensnaring Bridge because you're likely to be top-decking at some point due to the lack of draw. Ensnaring Bridge could give you the time you need to mill the opponent or Visions of Beyond in tandem with something like Sphinx's Tutelage could speed up the process.

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