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Enchantment Creature — Horror
Bestow (If you cast this card for its bestow cost, it's an Aura spell with enchant creature. It becomes a creature again if it's not attached to a creature.)
Nighthowler and enchanted creature each get +X/+X, where X is the number of creature cards in all graveyards.
2 months ago
Exquisite Blood would be pretty nice with Zur's Weirding Out, in addition to giving life for Necropotence, and with Protection Racket, it's one thing to pay a few life to keep you from getting a free card, giving you free life feels pretty awful, and Zur can dig out Protection when you just want cards without paying life. You can mention to people you don't run any 2 card combos, so they won't worry about the Sanguine Bond combo with Exquisite Blood.
With Merieke and Zur, I feel like you'd want Pemmin's Aura and/or Freed from the Real, once Zur puts the Aura on her, it's U to kill target creature, and when you're out of U you keep the best creature you can steal until you have mana again. If Merieke is a card you like digging out, there are 3 mana Transmute cards fwiw, Perplex, Dimir Machinations and the ungodly bad Drift of Phantasms.
For Zur, I like having the option to go Voltron, to do so I run All That Glitters and Heliod, Sun-Crowned. If one copy of All That Glitters doesn't quite cut it, there is also Michiko's Reign of Truth Flip, but I mostly use Copy Enchantment, Estrid's Invocation and Mirrormade to make more Glitters if I want a bigger Zur, 3 is usually a 1 hit kill fwiw, and he can dig out an Unblockable aura or Thassa, God of the Sea technically. For Shroud I like Greater Auramancy, but there is also Diplomatic Immunity to consider.
If you don't mind running Vanishing, which is a very good 'dodge' effect for Zur that doesn't cost him Auras/Counters, you can also run the very funny Out of Time to just wipe creatures pretty much permanently. If you have Copy Enchantment effects, you can duplicate this before it goes away to lock away another group of creatures, very nasty vs large creature boards, and Zur finds both pieces.
Another funny Zur card is Dance of Many, which can duplicate a creature you can target, a very strong effect if your meta cares about powerful creatures. If people run Mill in your area, Nighthowler can be fetched out for a big creature or be drawn to make Zur bigger.
You can't fetch it out, but like Mother of Runes it's very good to have out, Devoted Caretaker can offer very versatile protection to more stuff.
If you want something pretty dirty you can pull out vs opponents that are running stronger than expected decks, your Smothering Tithe works very well with Stasis, which also likes Black Market Connections, though you'll want Brave the Sands to give Zur (and your board) Vigilance. Stasis also likes Archon of Emeria and you're already running Thalia, Heretic Cathar. It's certainly not fetching out Heliod after you've dropped Balista, this doesn't win on the spot, but it's a very strong/nasty effect to have access to, even if you don't dig it out very often. Fortunately Stasis is the only piece you wouldn't want to draw!
3 months ago
Very cool build! I always found Nethroi to be the most interest of the big Mutate critters, and I hadn't thought of the combo with Scourge of the Skyclaves - very clever!
A while back I made a deck around Grenzo, Dungeon Warden that was also concerned with featuring lots of nasty critters with 2 or less power, particularly if they actually had a lot higher power than that once they were in play. Some other bruisers you can reanimate for free include Arcbound Overseer, Nighthowler, Noosegraf Mob and Sewer Nemesis - they might be worth considering! Archfiend's Vessel also feels like a shoo-in, only using up one point of power but leaving you with a huge flyer.
I found it was also handy to have little creatures who could impact the board upon arrival, namely via some handy removal. Bone Shredder, Big Game Hunter and Duplicant feel like superior choices, though there are plenty out there.
There are a couple other nasty low-power critters I'd recommend - Herald of Leshrac can really rule the board (though he draws a lot of fire) and Doom Weaver seems like a great opportunity to draw a lot of cards. I hope some of these ideas help!
6 months ago
Look into creatures with the "Bestow" keyword. They're a good answer to removal since they hit the field as creatures afterward. Unfortunately very few fit into the mana cost you've set out but here are a few I think would be good
Additionally Gift of Immortality can help avoid having to re-cast your commander.
8 months ago
Thank you for the suggestions! I've been thinking a bit about how more often than not there is little need for buffs outside of the most powerful bunch; Phyresis, All That Glitters, Ethereal Armor, and/or Battle Mastery are usually enough considering the middle two will continue to buff Zur while tutoring for other things. Originally the idea was that I should cast buffs on Zur while I use him to tutor for more important things in the meantime, but I always find myself going for one of the buffs listed previously. With all that said, you're right. There is no need to include cards simply because they can be tutored with Zur, and it's better just to include better cards instead. It would be better to ramp in the meantime, let Zur handle refilling our hand, and take our time with buffing him.
The previous point also stands for Nighthowler. As you said, he is a fantastic option if necessary and he is certainly not wasted space if we draw him anyway.
Thanks for bringing Court of Cunning to my attention. I think it is a perfect card for this deck since it acts as draw and annoys our opponents with mill. Could be a blast sitting back and waiting for everyone to helplessly mill out.
With all that said, I'll go ahead and add those cards. Thanks for the suggestions!
8 months ago
I seem to have a better idea of what you had in mind, and have misread some of the cards as well.
I was under the assumption that Dreamscape Artist sacrificed himself, since that can be a pretty common occurrence (e.g. Burnished Hart). Since he can be used multiple times, I like it quite a lot; problem being he's not a guaranteed drop as opposed to the enchantments. Retreat to Coralhelm's main value as you described would be halted until we can draw Dreamscape. Has that been an issue in your experience?
Not sure what my brain was on when I read Dance of Many, but it seems to be a much better card now. Thoughts on what I should replace it with? - Definitely a shoe in.
Nighthowler Would be a great option to get big creatures. However it doesn't seem to jive well with any of the other themes in the deck. The only reason I could see wanting other creatures in the deck is to create blockers or avoid sac effects on Zur (not like it would be a problem with Vanishing).
8 months ago
Huh, it appears you're correct, Energy Flux's 'bury' effect has been ruled a 'sacrifice' effect, not a 'destroy' effect, so it will hit Kaldra Compleat, good to know! Anyways, I use Energy Flux in Zur, and I generally don't worry about losing my artifacts if Zur is out, it's such a useful effect when it's good that hurting my own deck I feel is okay. YMMV, in my case I have access to Necropotence and Back to Basics to make Energy Flux better. Much obliged for pointing this out to me!
Dreamscape btw doesn't just put lands into hand, it's a Harrow effect, so you put the lands into play untapped. It's one of the weirdest ramp sources in the game in my experience, but finding untapped lands can let you do some crazy stuff. Once you have enough mana to activate Artist, it's actually just 1 mana each time you ramp, for a net total of 3 mana to get your first land out, and you can actually use it repeatedly, each turn you get another use for 1 mana, and if you run Retreat to Coralhelm, you can untap it each time you use it for free, letting you use it until you're either out of Basic lands or are out of mana/cards.
I'm not sure if I'm understanding you correctly on Dance of Many, it doesn't matter if the original version of a copy dies generally, the copy will survive until the card Dance itself or the token copy itself die, or you don't pay UU to keep it around. It's a solid effect if people run creatures you'd want to copy, and the art is pretty neat I think.
The niche use of Retreat I was thinking was that you can untap any creature you can target, be it Zur or another of your creatures like Sun Titan, which could be helpful with Stasis. Without Dreamscape Artist it's probably not worth running.
Probably the last random idea, but Nighthowler can be big in some metas, assuming people run graveyard decks or lots of creatures. You can either Bestow it on Zur for 4 mana, or fetch it out with Zur to make a big vanilla creature, very meta dependent but potentially pretty good.
1 year ago
Aquastrand Spider, Drakestown Forgotten, Eidolon of Countless Battles, Entropic Specter, Golgari Raiders, Kalonian Hydra, Nighthowler, Phantom Centaur, Scrounging Bandar, Sewer Nemesis, Shanna, Sisay's Legacy, Skyshroud War Beast, Spike Feeder, Heliod, Sun-Crowned, Spiteful Squad, Sutured Ghoul, Swarm Shambler, Towering Titan, Undergrowth Scavenger, Workhorse are some of the better options I can think of for the deck.