Avatar of Woe

Creature — Avatar

If there are ten or more creature cards total in all graveyards, Avatar of Woe costs less to cast.

Fear (This creature can't be blocked except by artifact creatures and/or black creatures.)

: Destroy target creature. It can't be regenerated.

Discussion (51)

RNR_Gaming on The Scarab Queen

1 month ago

Avatar of Woe could probably be cut. I love the card but it has no immediate board impact and I'm failing to see how you could drop it early game. It fits better with a more mulch style deck.

multimedia on The Black Death

1 month ago

Hey, saw your forum topic asking for help.

Cards to consider cutting to make 100:

• Demon of Catastrophes : not worth sacing a creature to cast it.
• Nightmare : not worth 5 mana, 5 of the mana cost can't be paid with Phyrexian mana.
• Xathrid Gorgon : same as Nightmare.
• Magus of the Coffers : Crypt Ghast , Coffers, Nykthos, Stronghold all better.
• Liliana, the Necromancer
• Ancient Craving
• Dregs of Sorrow
• Avatar of Woe
• Demonlord Belzenlok
• Eternity Vessel

In your forum topic you said you're not worried about reducing the high avg. CMC by cutting high CMC creatures because you can pay Phyrexian mana to reduce their cost. This is true to some degree, but you're not always in every game going to have Krrik on the battlefield, access to Phyrexian mana, and the times when this happens then having a lower avg. CMC will allow you to actually play Magic.

The other problem is why play worse high CMC creatures then Vilis, Broker of Blood , Pontiff of Blight , Sheoldred, Whispering One or Reiver Demon ? There's no reason to jam a bunch of other high CMC creatures just because you can. These creatures especially the interaction of Vilis, Pontiff with Krrik are better than all the other high CMC creatures who are within the budget here. You would rather draw them then the others therefore make it easier to draw them and don't include lots of other high CMC creatures?

Pontiff of Blight giving extort to all creatures you control is good especially if you're playing a life gain strategy. Extort can be paid for with Phyrexian mana, that's what makes it busted. Each extort trigger can be paid with 2 life, but if you have three opponents you gain 3 life for each trigger, you gain 1 life per opponents who loss life. This means you extort for free and also gain 1 life after each trigger. Even if you only have two opponents you're still getting to extort for free because of Phyrexian mana.

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Before you can do anything with Krrik and Phyrexian mana you have to get him on the battlefield and this means getting four mana (colorless or black). First priority for upgrades to consider is adding more early game ramp that's within the budget:

• Dark Ritual
• Cabal Ritual
• Bubbling Muck
• Blood Pet
• Everflowing Chalice
• Mind Stone
• Fellwar Stone
• Basalt Monolith
• Crystal Vein

The strength of Krrik is Phyrexian mana, but to take advantage of this you want lots of other one mana cards. When you play Krrik you want to right away start giving him counters:

• Blood Celebrant : with Phyrexian mana this is repeatable 3 life to add , which is busted.
• Deathgreeter
• Scheming Symmetry
• Rain of Filth
• Duress
• Inquisition of Kozilek
• Cremate
• Sacrifice
• Aphotic Wisps : can kill an opponent with Commander damage.
• Tainted Strike : can kill an opponent with Infect.

Cremate, Wisps, Tainted are not usually playable cards, but with Krrik they are because they're free to cast and most draw a card. For one mana or free Symmetry can get you Necropotence into your hand.

Two drops are also good, not as good as one drops, but still good value with Phyrexian mana:

• Imp's Mischief : protect Krrik.
• Night's Whisper
• Blood Artist : cares about your opponents' creatures dying too.
• Animate Dead

You could fit Demonic Tutor and Diabolic Intent in here if you wanted by cutting some cards that are by no means as powerful as either because these tutors can get you Necropotence , Bolas's Citadel or Aetherflux Reservoir ; all more impactful cards/game winning cards. Consider cutting these cards to add Demonic/Intent? Most of these cards are high mana cost redundancy which are not needed:

• Phyrexian Arena
• Sower of Discord
• Venser's Journal
• Caged Sun
• Alhammarret's Archive

I offer more advice if you would like. Good luck with your deck.

mowshowitz on The Scarab God Reanimaysh Sitch

4 months ago

Removed:

• Avatar of Woe
• Burnished Hart
• Whispering Madness

Added:

• Consuming Aberration
• Curtains' Call
• Cyclonic Rift

...I can't believe I didn't have C-Rift in here.

Optimator on Nikki Borgees

4 months ago

"One-card wincons" to consider: Insurrection , Expropriate , Painful Quandary , Rise of the Dark Realms , Revel in Riches , Cut / Ribbons . Perhaps Clone Legion , Rite of Replication , Mogis, God of Slaughter , Hour of Promise , Blatant Thievery , Grave Betrayal , or Mind's Dilation .

The Chain Veil , Inexorable Tide , Contagion Clasp , and Contagion Engine maybe?

One thing to think about is getting Nicol Bolas flipped and maybe joined by the other planeswalkers and casting Obliterate , Jokulhaups , Devastation , or Decree of Annihilation . Almost guaranteed ultimates. Nicol Bolas, Dragon-God would be the best--proxy for now and include in first build?

Possible upgrades:

Boardwipes: Toxic Deluge , Black Sun's Zenith , Hour of Devastation , Decree of Pain , Curse of the Swine , In Garruk's Wake , Deadly Tempest , Evacuation , Nevinyrral's Disk , Last One Standing , Perilous Vault , Oblivion Stone , Kindred Dominance , Necromantic Selection , Subterranean Tremors

Removal: Capsize , Bedevil , Hero's Downfall , Chaos Warp , Kolaghan's Command , Reality Shift , Pongify , Rapid Hybridization , Vraska's Contempt , Rakdos Charm , Price of Fame , In Bolas's Clutches , Plaguecrafter , Merciless Executioner , Fleshbag Marauder , Unstable Obelisk , Vandalblast , By Force , Shatterstorm , Hostage Taker , Yawgmoth's Vile Offering , Settle the Score , Dark Impostor , Hour of Glory , Sever the Bloodline , Silence the Believers , Spread the Sickness , Slave of Bolas , Electrodominance

Draw: (I would add Erebos once you're home) Patient Rebuilding , Phyrexian Arena , Greed , Arguel's Blood Fast  ^Flip, Notion Thief , Windfall , Mystical Tutor , Blue Sun's Zenith , Pull from Tomorrow , Stroke of Genius , Braingeyser , Mind Spring , Expansion / Explosion , Invoke the Firemind , Deliver Unto Evil , Augur of Bolas , Painful Truths , Fevered Visions , Search for Azcanta  ^Flip, Fact or Fiction , Dig Through Time , Treasure Cruise , Tidings , Thassa, God of the Sea , Day's Undoing , Reforge the Soul , Standstill , Deep Analysis , Necrologia , Steady Progress , Tezzeret's Gambit , Oath of Jace

Random utility: Ophiomancer , Metallurgic Summonings , As Fortold, Pendrell Mists , No Mercy , Stranglehold , Fated Return , Dark Intimations , Spellseeker , Sire Of Insanity , Thief of Sanity , Spark Double , Primal Amulet  ^Flip, Dragon's Hoard , Mystic Retrieval , Shreds of Sanity , Spelltwine , Ashiok, Dream Render , Torpor Orb , Baleful Strix , Darksteel Myr , Solemn Simulacrum , Wayfarer's Bauble , Vedalken Orrery , Saheeli, Sublime Artificer , Will Kenrith , Mana Geyser , Gem of Becoming , Thran Dynamo , Narset, Parter of Veils , Keranos, God of Storms , Thrilling Encore , Star Compass , Coldsteel Heart , Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs , Ensnaring Bridge , Crawlspace , Expedition Map , Burnished Hart , Torment of Scarabs , Cruel Reality , Mnemonic Betrayal , Yawgmoth's Will , Bloodchief Ascension , Nightscape Familiar , Gonti, Lord of Luxury , Thaumatic Compass  ^Flip, Dreadhorde Invasion , Fraying Omnipotence , Thrummingbird , Viral Drake , Past in Flames , Mizzix's Mastery , Omniscience , Tainted AEther , Aid the Fallen , Deepglow Skate , Flux Channeler , Rings of Brighthearth , Silent Arbiter , Meekstone , Mudslide , Astral Cornucopia , Everflowing Chalice , Lethal Vapors , Sunbird's Invocation , Stolen Strategy , Maze of Ith , Spreading Plague , Merchant Scroll , Polluted Bonds , Black Market , Grave Upheaval , Memory Plunder , Pain Magnification

Beaters: Dragonlord Silumgar , The Scorpion God , The Locust God , The Scarab God , God-Eternal Kefnet , God-Eternal Bontu , Darksteel Colossus , Colossus of Akros , Visara the Dreadful , Tsabo Tavoc , Avatar of Woe , Balefire Dragon , Nicol Bolas , Hellkite Tyrant , Bladewing the Risen , Grave Titan , Inferno Titan , Steel Hellkite , Vampire Nighthawk , Torrential Gearhulk , Noxious Gearhulk , Combustible Gearhulk , Dominus of Fealty , Roil Elemental , Tidespout Tyrant , Kokusho, the Evening Star , Keiga, the Tide Star , Ryusei, the Falling Star , Wrexial, the Risen Deep , Etali, Primal Storm , Nezahal, Primal Tide , Tetzimoc, Primal Death , Dread , The Haunt of Hightower , Niv-Mizzet, the Firemind , Razaketh, the Foulblooded , Enigma Drake , Crackling Drake , Archfiend of Depravity , Sheoldred, Whispering One , Thing in the Ice  ^Flip, Niv-Mizzet, Parun , Sepulchral Primordial , Molten Primordial , Diluvian Primordial , Ob Nixilis, Unshackled , Sire of Stagnation , Utvara Hellkite

dragonstryke58 on Characteristics of an ability's source ...

5 months ago

608.2g If an effect requires information from the game (such as the number of creatures on the battlefield), the answer is determined only once, when the effect is applied. If the effect requires information from a specific object, including the source of the ability itself, the effect uses the current information of that object if it’s in the public zone it was expected to be in; if it’s no longer in that zone, or if the effect has moved it from a public zone to a hidden zone, the effect uses the object’s last known information. See rule 112.7a. If an ability states that an object does something, it’s the object as it exists—or as it most recently existed—that does it, not the ability.

The effect of Avatar of Woe will go through. Since the Avatar still exists on the battlefield (it did not change zones), the object's current information is used. In this case during the resolution of the effect, it will determine that the source of Avatar of Woe now Mirran Crusader 's ability is white.

Emzed on Characteristics of an ability's source ...

5 months ago

Hi! Say I control Grip of Chaos , Avatar of Woe and Mirran Crusader . I then activate the Avatar targetting itself, triggering Grip of Chaos, and respond to that with Cytoshape to turn Avatar into a Mirran Crusader (Grip could change Cytoshape's target but let's assume it doesn't). Now what happens to the Avatar activation? Is that still considered black because it was originally created by a black source, and can therefore target neither of the pro black Mirran Crusaders?

CyborgAeon on One card combo Demonlord Belzenlok

5 months ago

I like to think of nether void as the old "somebody else's problem". While you build up your own game plan, you put great pressure on most other decks by dropping this. But you make a convincing argument- it's too parallel.

A list of all cards I know you could run: Avatar of Woe Curtains' Call Dross Golem Infernal Darkness

These are uhh... suboptimal. But avatar at least offers decent removal. I have to ask, what meta do you play this in?

ZendikariWol on Still Just a Rat in a Cage

7 months ago

I know this is a Christmas Dreamland thing but Avatar of Woe + Eater of the Dead ? Feldon of the Third Path is great- especially if you have cards in your grave already. Illusionist's Bracers would be bat-shit here. Training Grounds or Heartstone are nice.