Creature — Illusion
Jace's Phantasm gets +4/+4 as long as an opponent has ten or more cards in his or her graveyard.
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Jace's Phantasm Discussion
3 months ago
Thanks, I'm glad you found my suggestions helpful! 8 crabs would be ideal but I'm guessing it's 6 for budget purposes. I think you'll find the main board Dismember to be useful in almost every matchup, but you can always move it back to the sideboard if you dislike it. This looks solid for the budget, but you'll still have to play test and adjust accordingly for your meta.
BTW, when I was listing all the counterspells in my first post, I meant you could use whichever seemed best to you, not all of them :P It will probably be more useful to have a diverse range of cards in your sideboard, since a SB is essentially 15 cards to help you deal with certain matchups that your usual 60 struggles against. Jamming 6 counters might not be the most optimal choice, I was thinking more along the lines of 2-3 of one particular counter, sorry for my miscommunication lol. In most of your games, I'm assuming your 4 mainboard counters will get the job done, and then you can just bring in a pair of targeted counters like, say, 2 Essence Scatter for creature decks or 2 Mystical Dispute for other blue decks. This is going to depend entirely on your meta though. Three other cards caught my eye when I was looking at blue mill lists:
Merfolk Secretkeeper: If your budget can't allow 8 crabs, this is a good replacement for some number.
A few cards you can consider for your sideboard:
Aether Gust: Great against green and/or red decks
AEtherize: Could really save you against aggro/beatdown decks
Rebuild: Good against artifact based decks (e.g., affinity, hammer, Urza).
That's about all I have for now. I imagine you'll continue to adjust as you get spins in with this. Let us know if it's at all competitive.
3 months ago
Ruin Crab loses a lot of its punch without Hedron Crab and fetch lands backing it up. It's still worth the playset but I just thought I'd let you in on this since the other guy didn't. The optimal version of this deck is heavily based around running both crabs with fetches (it also typically runs a second color, either white or black). You could try Evolving Wilds and/or Terramorphic Expanse to mimic this, but you're going to really slow the deck down. The optimal version is also heavily based around an expensive card called Archive Trap. Something like Sphinx's Tutelage could help fill this void.
Glacial Grasp, Thought Collapse and Vedalken Entrancer are terrible cards, you don't want them in your deck, trust me. I'd mainboard Dismembers for removal, use plain ol' Counterspells, and play literally any other blue creature respectively.
You could play the full 4 of Sanity Grinding.
Very spicy Sword of Body and Mind, but I really think this slot could be put to better use, especially given the $ value of the card. You don't have many good creatures to even equip it to. Now, if you had a few Jace's Phantasms, that might be a different story. A 5/5 flyer for 1 mana is already nuts, but now it's a 7/7 that mills for 10 and makes wolves.
You need some stronger control elements. I'd play more counterspells in the sideboard... Mana Leak, Negate, and Essence Scatter are all worth experimenting with. You'll get way more mileage out of those cards than something like Thought Scour or Jace Beleren. You could experiment with Unsummon effects too, they pair nicely with counters.
You should consider an alternate win condition. I know this is supposed to be a mill deck, but there are going to be matchups where this won't work (at least not in the budget version). You could accept that and not care, or you could make some concessions. To that end, I would propose just playing like an honest control deck and running 1-2 Prognostic Sphinx or Sphinx of the Final Word. It doesn't have to be mainboard.
Manic Scribe, Overwhelmed Apprentice and Wall of Lost Thoughts are low quality cards that happen to fit your theme. They're not as bad as the other three I singled out, but these would still be among the first places I made cuts.
4 months ago
hab äther vial 1x, müsste es öfter haben damit es zündet....
danke die 1 mana dropper sind besser.
Weiß noch nicht genau wo ich hin will, aber gegen die Leute gegen die ich spiele ist Unnatural Selection und Krovikan Mist ne starke flieger combi, auch kommen die Token von Master of Waves gut mit Arcane Adaptation da die elemental dann auch illusionen sind. Primär spiel ich master eigentlich wegen Altar of the Brood , hat mir neben der überflieg taktik noch ne 2 win möglichkeit eröffnet, nämlich decktod, zudem puscht es Jace's Phantasm.
6 months ago
Spell_Slam Indeed it's lands, so Withdraw is much worse than Aether Tradewinds, since it can't bounce their lands. I agree regarding Silver Raven though. I understand if you need the 1 drop for consistency, but even if you do, it doesn't seem like the best choice. Spellstutter Sprite could be good, but if you absolutely want it to be a 1 drop, I still think you have better options - Merfolk Windrobber, Pteramander or Jace's Phantasm fill the same role early game of getting a flyer on board before them and getting a target for ninjutsu, while offering some small late game upside. Jace's Phantasm and Pteramander can scale up to be somewhat beefy to help speed things along if the game runs long, Merfolk Windrobber is clearly worse than them but could be good in conjunction with Jace's Phantasm. Could be that I'm undervaluing the scry 1 of course, I'm definitely intending to test this one out! Looks fun and original, strong theme, I love it!
8 months ago
oops! @Gattison came back to mention I found another Psychic Venom effect and realized I totally missed your bigger message on the 9th. The place holders make sense and the Ninja of the Deep Hours Balustrade Spy combo honestly sounds legit! also makes sense to run preordains or some other cantrip action to filter for important pieces. Ninja also combos with Jace's Phantasm's for some early draw to find key pieces so I like that addition even more!
The card I was going to mention was Erosion. seeing the color break down for the deck makes me less hopeful for it, as is a tough casting cost in multicolored pauper decks : /
I'm not sure how well it would play either, but a critical mass of "ouch my lands hurt" cards and land destruction seems to be one way to build this deck and that card works for both! My excitement to make suggestions aside it is more mana, more color requirement, and less damage if they don't sac it.... so.... and we can't stack it on lands with other damage effects without making them more likely to sac it.... which might be bad? Either way I saw the card and thought of you XD <3
8 months ago
The version of the deck you're talking about (well, MY version of the version of the deck you're talking about) can be found below. I think it's pretty strong right now, though any specific recommendations would be welcome - there are a number of other options I'm considering for those Maddening Cacophony slots, including Thought Scour, Mind Funeral, Tasha's Hideous Laughter and Tome Scour. I was also trying to decide whether the Thoughtseize / Inquisition of Kozilek suite might provide better value than Mana Leak / Counterspell.
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I'm in agreement with you about Fraying Sanity, the trap of 'win more' is one I'm always on the lookout for. On the other hand, I've found value in the past of building a deck with more than one way to win, and backdooring a legitimate option through damage isn't something I want to discount right off the bat. Judicious use of the sideboard can allow you to shift the deck towards one option or the other in the 2nd & 3rd game, depending on what you're seeing across the board. Jace's Phantasm and Dauthi Voidwalker are excellent options in that regard and you can get some crazy value out of those mills for the latter.
8 months ago
Do you happen to have a deck list? I would be curious to see what you are using for your basis.
Right now, I think the best Modern mill deck you can run is 8-Crab. 4x Hedron Crab, 4x Ruin Crab, a bunch of fetch lands to enable your crabs, and then Drown, Visions, and some “burn” spells and some removal to finish off the deck.
I also know some folks who have been having decent success splashing into Green for a few copies ofAssassin's Trophy - since the deck should run a lot of fetches for your crabs, one can splash into green with one or two copies of Overgrown Tomb and no other green lands relatively easily.
I will also note there are a few cards which are traps - they look like they might be good for mill, but are not. Jace's Phantasm is one of those cards - you are not trying to hit their life total, so you don’t need an attacker. If you feel you need a blocker due to your meta, you’re better off with Ensnaring Bridge than a single 5/5 with flying.
Fraying Sanity is another card that gets tossed around a lot as a suggestion. Realistically, I don’t think Sanity does much for Mill - you want to focus on burning your opponent as quickly as possible, and Sanity comes down at the critical turn 3 point. It does no burn for turn (other than doubling what your crabs might have done), and usually is more of a “win more” card than a “this wins you games” card. By that I mean any game it helps you win, you likely could have won with something else in those card slots, but it doesn’t do much to let you win games you would otherwise lose.
8 months ago
Morning, all :)
I've been playing around with Dimir mill in the Modern format, buoyed in part by the excellent Drown in the Loch. At the moment I'm looking at two approaches; the first is a sort of 'suicide mill' where the focus is less on interaction and more on running them out at all costs. At the moment I just can't seem to get it fast enough, so it's the weaker option.
The second, and the one I'm asking for help with, is a more meta-mill sort of deck, leaning on tempo and control while gradually milling. This deck will have a lot more interaction, including a number of creatures and would be as likely to win through damage as forcing the last draw.
For this deck concept I can't get it out of my head that Dauthi Voidwalker doesn't present a load of interesting opportunities, with cards like Glimpse the Unthinkable and Maddening Cacophony dumping tons of cards into what would be the graveyard. The Voidwalker is actually massively problematic in its synergy (or lack thereof) with many traditional mill cards as it keeps those cards from going into the graveyard and therefor often leaving options like Jace's Phantasm and Visions of Beyond depowered. Still, I can't help but think it has some potential, and there are plenty of match-ups where exiling cards is preferred to sending them into the graveyard.
Has anyone tried to used the Voidwalker in this way? Is it a fool's errand to even try in a competitive deck? Are there any good examples of a more controller-y Dimir mill deck that anyone would like to offer? I'd really like to try to make this competitive and most of my past experience with milling is mono-red land destruction that denies land draws via Grindclock or Codex Shredder + Lantern of Insight.
I did play an earlier version of this deck once in a local tournament and have one of my favorite 'Magic moments' ever - watching my opponent sac a fetch land on the opening play and in response popping an Archive Trap and then a Surgical Extraction, absolutely wrecking his combo deck and watching him scoop before I had even gotten a chance to play my turn. Ever since then I've wanted to make a serious go at this.
Thanks in advance.