Nemesis of Reason

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Format Legality
1v1 Commander Legal
Block Constructed Legal
Canadian Highlander Legal
Commander / EDH Legal
Commander: Rule 0 Legal
Duel Commander Legal
Highlander Legal
Legacy Legal
Leviathan Legal
Limited Legal
Modern Legal
Oathbreaker Legal
Vintage Legal
Casual Legal
Custom Legal
Quest Magic Legal

Nemesis of Reason

Creature — Leviathan Horror

Whenever Nemesis of Reason attacks, defending player puts the top ten cards of his or her library into his or her graveyard.

carpecanum on

2 months ago

Lathril, Blade of the Elves would be fun with a bigger base power

It might be fun to throw in a few creatures with Mutate to further evolve Mimeoplasm.

Fleet Swallower, Nemesis of Reason or Traumatize might help

If you already have Spell Crumple you could add Tunnel Vision for a combo win.

multimedia on Satoru and the ninja deep sea creatures

3 months ago

Hey, interesting concept, combining Ninjas with sea monsters. Well done if this is your first attempt at deck building, you have good card sense.

Some cards here that are not as good as the others that could be upgraded, even on a budget: Prismatic Lens, Doom Blade, Nemesis of Reason, Ambition's Cost, Commander's Sphere, Rogue Class, Tromokratis, Blade of the Oni.

  • 1x more Island --> Tromokratis
  • 1x more Island --> Nemesis of Reason
  • 1x more Swamp --> Doom Blade

30 lands is low when you want to get to at least four mana to ninjutsu with Satoru. Consider cutting a couple of the high CMC sea monsters that are not as good as the others, Tromokratis and Nemesis of Reason, to add a few more lands? Could just add more of each basic land or there's many other options that are more expensive price: Watery Grave, Morphic Pool, Drowned Catacomb, Shipwreck Marsh, etc. Some budget options are: Ice Tunnel (another land Marsh Flats can get), Temple of Deceit, Esper Panorama.

Prismatic Lens and Commander's Sphere could be upgraded to mana rocks that can combo with Hullbreaker Horror to make infinite mana. Astral Cornucopia and Everflowing Chalice combo with Sol Ring by repeatedly bounce/cast them with Hullbreaker to make infinite mana. Sol pays for itself plus 1 extra colorless mana each time you tap it before it's bounced by Hullbreaker. Astral is better because once you make infinite colorless then you can pay that colorless to cast Astral to make infinite blue or black mana. When you have infinite colorless then Arcane Signet or Dimir Signet can also be used to make infinite blue/black mana.

If you can create a copy of Hullbreaker from Thousand-Faced Shadow then this combo can bounce all your opponent's nonland permanents and keep doing this on each of your main phases.

Ingenious Infiltrator is a good Ninja for repeatable draw. Baleful Strix is a nice creature to enable ninjustu. Prosperous Thief is a Ninja for repeatable ramp who also triggers from a Rogue and there's many unblockable Rogues here.

Good luck with your deck.

multimedia on

4 months ago

Hey, nice version, you have 13 ways to help to setup Runo to transform including Rack, lots of counterspells including Drain, plenty of reanimation and the five best huge sea monsters (Hullbreaker, Spawning, Depths, Junk, Stormtide) to copy with Krothuss. The amount of ramp is a little low, but if it's working for you then great.

A unique interaction with Krothuss are effects that let him copy himself and since he's a Kraken each time he does it he creates two copies of himself. This can get out of hand quick since then each copy of Krothuss can copy Krothuss or other Krothusses resulting in tons of attacking Krothusses. To be able to do this you must remove the legendary rule or control a nonlegendary Krothuss to copy. Sakashima of a Thousand Faces, Spark Double and Mirror Box achieve these effects with Sakashima/Box removing the legendary rule and Spark becoming a nonlegendary Krothuss.

Box is new a card in new set NEO and it also increases the p/t of original Krothuss for each copy of himself making original Krothuss huge. Sakashima can also become a copy of Krothuss. The drawback of Sakashima/Box is if an opponent removes one of these cards then all the legendary copies of Krothuss are also removed leaving only original Krothuss in your control.

Spark is different than the others because it becomes a nonlegendary Krothuss. When you copy nonlegendary Krothuss with a Krothuss it creates token copies of nonlegendary Krothuss. If opponent removes Spark it doesn't remove all the copies of nonlegendary Krothuss, they must also be removed.

These three cards have just as much interaction with other legendary creatures such as Wrexial, the Risen Deep or even Marit Lage.


Hullbreaker Horror can be much more devastating to your opponents by adding one card, Everflowing Chalice or any other 0 CMC artifact, preferably a mana rock such as Mana Crypt. When you control two or more Hullbreakers thanks to Krothuss then Chalice + Sol Ring is infinite casts to bounce all your opponent's nonland permanents. You can keep doing this combo on your main phases to deny your opponents from having nonland permanents including blockers.

Hullbreaker + Sol + Chalice is infinite casts as well as infinite colorless mana without needing to control another Hullbreaker since each time Sol taps for mana before it's bounced it pays for itself + one extra colorless. If you control another mana rock that can ETB untapped such as Arcane Signet then infinite colorless can be infinite blue/black mana. Instead of bouncing Sol, bounce Arcane + Chalice (tapping Arcane for mana before it's bounced). When you add another Hullbreaker that's when things get scary for your opponents.

I'm a big fan of Lazotep Plating in blue, it's really underrated as a protection spell for all permanents you control and it can also protect you. Which can be huge protection if an opponent's infinite combo win condition requires to target you such Aetherflux or Artist.


If you're interested in adding any of these cards here's some possible cuts to consider: Disentomb, Essence Scatter, Nemesis of Reason, Fleet Swallower, Wizard Class.

You have plenty of powerful reanimation, Disentomb isn't needed. You have many excellent counterspells, Scatter isn't needed. Nemesis and Swallower only trigger when they're declared as attackers meaning that when copied by Krothuss those attacking copies don't trigger. In my opinion this makes these creatures too slow to get value from them with Krothuss.

Good luck with your deck.

SomeRandomDude on "The Thing" 1982 Movie Deck

4 months ago

Late to the party - The Thing is my all time favorite, and I've wanted to make a deck for a bit. I have no commander experience other than watching it, so I'm designing a casual 60 for it. However, I want to share things I've thought of.

For on theme (and obscure) ramp, I'm looking at Retraced Image and Mitotic Manipulation - both with art somewhat evocative of The Thing. I am mono-blue currently though, so they might be a stretch for a three color deck.

Otherwise, I'm a big fan of Forgotten Creation and Nemesis of Reason for their looks, as well as Wharf Infiltrator for the tentacles, being a Human and Horror, and popping out more baby things. Also, no Smuggler's Copter?

Overall I love it though and I'll definitely be using it for ideas for my kitchen table deck!

multimedia on Runo Stromkirk - Sea Junk

5 months ago

Hey, nice version so far.

Some cards that are good within the budget at setup Runo to transform.

Frantic Search is draw two, discard two sea monsters, untap three lands and tap those lands to cast Runo. Striped Riverwinder and Waker of Waves are 7 CMC creatures who can put themselves into your graveyard for a low mana cost. Riverwinder is only one mana to do so from cycling. Inkwell Leviathan has shroud meaning it can't be targeted by Krothuss to be copied making it less desirable sea monster to cast or reanimate. Copies that are created of Nemesis of Reason by Krothuss don't trigger to mill making it much worse than it appears.

Some ramp upgrades within the budget to consider.

Since not playing any 1/1 creatures then Heartless Summoning is good ramp when playing lots of sea monsters.

Good luck with your deck.

theGentlemanSeal on Devoted to two Gods

5 months ago

Great deck!

Helm of the Ghastlord would be a great addition to beef up all your blue/black creatures. Also, Oona's Gatewarden is an easy fit in here. Some more dimir fundamentals would be Baleful Strix, Cemetery Puca, Dimir Guildmage, or Dimir Guildmage.

In terms of finisher cards, you could add: Gyruda, Doom of Depths, Wrexial, the Risen Deep, Dragonlord Silumgar, Silumgar, the Drifting Death, Ghastlord of Fugue, Blizzard Specter, Dire Undercurrents,

A version of the deck will a mill wincon could also make use of Ashiok, Dream Render, Phenax, God of Deception, Lurking Informant, Nemesis of Reason, Psychic Drain, Mind Grind, Nightveil Specter, and the many more mill focused cards from across blue and black.

A deck that leans more into flash could use Slitherwisp.

Overall, I quite like and want to see it down the line!

shwanerz88 on Hello Beastie

6 months ago

Yeah I made a few cuts from underperformers from my first game with Runo, Namely, Nemesis of Reason, and Mission Briefing. Mission briefing was just a dead card in my hand early and Nemesis betrayed me the only time runo got around my next upkeep. Frantic Search is already one of the cards that is going in. Vile Entomber is a good get! Striped Riverwinder, and Dreamscape Artist were the other two I was thinking.

Got any other suggestions for cuts?

Mana_Mythic_Legendary on Pursuing Perfection, Part 7: Dimir …

9 months ago

Ah, Dimir. Blue-black is where you come to turn an opponent’s soul these exact colors, sidestepping their defenses in order to slip a scalpel right in their feels. Combining the thematic terror of black with all the manipulations of blue, if you think about it, is one of the most disturbing, creepy tactics in magic. Forget psychological warfare: blue-black is about marinating the psyche of your opponent in anxiety, slow-roasting it over the fires of depression, lathering it in the sauce of their own inadequacy, and finally feeding them their own deliciously barbecued will to live. Think I'm exaggerating? Consider these titles. Glimpse the Unthinkable. Ashiok, Nightmare Weaver. Freaking Brainbite!!!

If you think this comes from a place of dislike, think again. I have a deep affection for this nasty little mix. Making opponents flip their collective gourds in a sporting way makes me very, very happy. Today, we’ll be going over three primary themes of commanders who embody Dimir chicanery: Mill, Rogues, and Theft. As always, please bear in mind the point isn’t to discuss the competitive but rather to celebrate the thematic.

Mill

The magic equivalent of memory loss, mill suffers in commander: eating through 99 cards is a tall order, and opponents with an original eldrazi titan somewhere in there may well fetch you the worst insult of all and ignore you. There are ways around that, of course, but this is an inarguably uphill climb. Which, of course, makes for a delightful challenge the Dimir will gleefully help you meet. Just ask Nemesis of Reason. It’s very, very hard to protect one’s library, and there’s something truly horrible in watching all your goodies piff away without even hitting your hand.

Oona, Queen of the Fae

If you’ve read this series through, you might remember that my oldest deck is mono-green. It’ll be no surprise to you, then, that when I was learning commander I lived in abject horror of Oona. Anyone running a mono-colored deck is going to feel targeted by this hideously nasty commander. Do you even need a strategy to play her, beyond ramp? Honestly, she rather plays herself: even outside her chosen prey, “Exile X” on a stick is very, very spicy, and when you’ve got your chosen prey they may well scoop when you play Kindred Discovery. Remember those eldrazi? Screw those eldrazi.

The Scarab God

Hail the mighty poo beetle. No, it doesn’t actively mill, but HOLY BALLS OF ROLLING SHIT does it reward milling! There is a fine, fine pool of zombies in dimir colors, and when that palls you can make your own. I’ve never seen this played, but to be honest I don’t want to, especially since the mighty poo beetle will always be five mana… maybe I want to see this played. By me. Scry X? Bleed X? Army of the Damned, anyone?

Szadek, Lord of Secrets

Now this is general damage. This is also, in my opinion, a genuinely bad idea for those who aim for winning rather than fun. Seven mana for a 5/5 flyer who doesn’t actually do damage to opponents? Less than competitive, shall we say, but certainly neat and themey. Stuff like Dauthi Voidwalker or Leyline of the Void do nothing to undermine Szadek’s growing spree, and embiggening this already self-embiggening boi could make for a very, very scary board presence. And seeing this work, making this work, would be undeniably fun.

Rogues

I say ‘rogues’ not as the creature type, but as the overall concept of sneaky sneaks sneaking off to perpetrate sneakiness. See Rogue Class or Dimir Cutpurse and you’ll get where I’m coming from. Dimir is the guild of spies and intrigue, so it’s no surprise that blue-black rewards the “Doink! Nyuk-nyuk-nyuk” playstyle. If your passion drives you toward little bodies that pilfer, plunder, or otherwise profit on the swing, look no further.

Zareth San, the Trickster

Zareth is an odd choice to be commander. He functionally has Ninjutsu, but unlike a certain upcoming favorite has no provision for command zones. If you like thinking around corners, there is actually a fair bit of support to be found. Run an aura theme, for instance, and stick Necromancer's Magemark on a spare dude. Or Phantom Wings on the man himself. Zareth will reward you, and as for the second half of his text, it’s a doozy. Mill/kill your opponent’s stuff, then steal it. Good times.

Anwon, the Ruin Thief

This is a heavily themed card, combining tribal, milling, and draw elements in a nice little vampiric package. Not quite the unpleasant beast that the original Anowon is, but still nice. Be sure to include Notorious Throng.

Lazav, the Multifarious

Instead of a profitable army of petty thugs, you may prefer just the one guy. For actual command damage, Szadek’s replacement has an inarguably better grasp of the job. Mill yourself. You know you can. Clone yourself an unblockable midget, then switch into a Phyrexian Dreadnought (or something similarly large but more affordable) before you tag them. This guy is an absurdly versatile toolkit. Just avoid jerks with Lignify. Hehehe…

Theft

We’ve talked thieves, now let’s talk actual yoink. Blue and black are the only colors with access to consistent, long-term swipage, and combining them inevitably brings you to a natural conclusion: why make a plan when you can steal someone else’s?

Dragonlord Silumgar

Keiga, the Tide Star called. She’s pressing charges on the grounds of copyright infringement. Dragon? Check. Six mana? Check. Theft? Big ol’ check. When combined with blink and a sac outlet, this big and greedy cheese can steal an army. And, if you do this to a super-friends player, maybe lose you a friendship.

Wrexial, the Risen Deep
This guy’s just neat, especially if there’s some cocky twit in your local meta who likes taking extra turns. Mill him a bit, then tag him. He’ll stop that right quick. Bonus points if you get somebody to make a custom version of this guy as a certain cosmic entity. Ph'nglui mglw'nafh, Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn.

Xanathar, Guild Kingpin

Do you like Sen Triplets, but not artifacts, white, or being thrown out of playgroups? Xanathar doesn’t pilfer hands, but libraries are fair game. The utility of certain tutors is suddenly very, very much in the eye of the beholder (sorry, I had to). Run stuff like Thoughtpicker Witch, Painful Memories, or Sealed Fate, and enjoy your monopoly on topdecks… I kind of want this one too.

And, for my personal favorite...

Yuriko, the Tiger’s Shadow

My darling, dearest Yuriko. Readers know my love for Kamigawa, so imagine my roaring delight when this beauty was released. There are 346 rogues currently in print. There are only 22 ninjas, and not all of them are good, but even the piddliest ninja becomes horrifying when Yuriko is out (and thanks to ninjutsu, she’s ALWAYS out). There’s a weird imbalance encouraged here: lots of inexpensive bodies digging for absurdly expensive spells. At the worst, you draw some cards. At absolute best, you smack the table for eleven damage by revealing Temporal Trespass… which you then cast for three mana, you magnificent bastard.

That's it for this round. Thoughts and questions are welcome. I hope you enjoyed it, and will come back next week for Rakdos!

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