Creature — Spider
Whenever Obelisk Spider deals combat damage to a creature, put a -1/-1 counter on that creature.
Whenever you put one or more -1/-1 counters on a creature, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
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|Mystery Booster (MYS1)||Uncommon|
|Hour of Devastation (HOU)||Uncommon|
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
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Obelisk Spider Discussion
2 weeks ago
3 months ago
Also, not having Obelisk Spider doesn't seem the best... And be carful not to accidentally kill your own creatures by accident through Doubling Season if you wanted it to live... Can't wait to see the deck in action!
4 months ago
Yes, Obelisk Spider will trigger for each creature that you bring back during the resolution of Pyrrhic Revival. When an event occurs, anything that exists immediately after that event is checked to see if its triggered ability was triggered during that event. The Spider will see that you brought back some creatures and in doing so had to put a -1 counter on all of them. It will, therefore, trigger that many times (it will count itself since you had to put a -1 counter on it too).
Here is the important rule. It talks about exceptions, but none of them apply here.
603.10. Normally, objects that exist immediately after an event are checked to see if the event matched any trigger conditions, and continuous effects that exist at that time are used to determine what the trigger conditions are and what the objects involved in the event look like. However, some triggered abilities are exceptions to this rule; the game “looks back in time” to determine if those abilities trigger, using the existence of those abilities and the appearance of objects immediately prior to the event.
Hope this helps!!
4 months ago
Obelisk Spider's second ability will trigger for each creature that enters under your control. Since no player is specified to place the counter on the creatures, each player will put the counters on their own creatures.
122.6a If an object enters the battlefield with counters on it, the effect causing the object to be given counters may specify which player puts those counters on it. If the effect doesn’t specify a player, the object’s controller puts those counters on it.
4 months ago
5 months ago
Nice! It's also worth pointing out that you can also put together a $15 deck just focusing on negative counters. In addition to Hapatra, Vizier of Poisons, there's Obelisk Spider and Nest of Scarabs as payoffs, along with cards like Decimator Beetle, Skinrender, etc. I tried to put together a deck like that awhile back, but I could never get it down to $5.
6 months ago
So with the new land you have a new win con and im excited and wanted to share the combo with you. Maybe you already figured this out?
In this combo you are using nesting grounds to move the counters off of devoted, the act of placing and then moving the counter nets you 2 creatures. Earthcraft then allows you to untap nesting. you can ether move the counters onto a random land or onto a snake or bug for infite death triggers too.
6 months ago
Hey this is a great primer! I've been building a Tayam deck myself though it seems we went pretty different directions with it. I had a few questions and curiosities and would love to get your thoughts / advice if you wouldn't mind.
How well do you feel that the mana dorks add to your ramp as opposed to say, adding more fetches and then recurring them later on?
I'm really interested in some of the higher CMC choices you made - I'm especially curious as to how you feel Meren performs in this deck and whether she's a "must include" for consistency. I''m also intrigued by your inclusion of Shalai, Voice of Plenty, would you think something like Keensight Mentor could also be a good form of getting counters?
My deck had utilized a lot of token generators like Bitterblossom and Pawn of Ulamog for sacrifice based value, yours seems to have a lot fewer and don't have any persist creatures - I'm guessing you still can get a lot of value. Do you think a bunch of token generators may not be really necessary in this sort of deck?
I'd also really like to know how you feel about proliferation cards - I was looking at cards like Pollenbright Druid and Huatli's Raptor to recur for proliferation along with Yawgmoth so I could generate enough counters for Tayam, do you think those are worth the slots, or did your playtesting find that a set up like this generated enough counters for you?
I've also been a bit curious to see if there's some -1/-1 Counter Synergy that could be feasibly worked with Tayam. The big reason for this was I figured you could always remove the counters from your own creatures for the obvious benefit as well as the value of Tayam's ability, and have a card like Hapatra and Nest of Scarabs for tokens or Obelisk Spider, Necroskitter and Crumbling Ashes and Channeler Initiate for other shenanigans to get a lot of value out of it. I'd love to hear what you have to think about that sort of idea. My main thought is that it seems like it'd be fun, but probably not very feasible / consistent.
Once again, really cool deck! Definitely deserving of a +1 and a great source of inspiration!