Tempt with Vengeance
Tempting offer — Put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield. Each opponent may put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield. For each player who does, put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield.
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|Commander / EDH||Legal|
|Commander: Rule 0||Legal|
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Tempt with Vengeance Discussion
3 months ago
I've decided to swap Tempt with Vengeance out for Mishra's Self-Replicator as a way to generate tokens. It should be fairly easy to trigger, and has an interesting interaction with my 2 mutate creatures as well.
By the way, all my games so far with this deck have been a blast.
4 months ago
Thank you so much for your interest in my deck and this thorough suggestion list and comment. So starting off with the draw you suggested, I kinda missed War Room , I am currently making up a list of things I want to change and I'm slightly changing up the pacing and direction and will be adding more draw. So War Room will definitely be one on the list. Tome of Legends is on my list already so thank you for confirmation on a good draw, especially with Norin popping in and out every turn. I don't know why but Endless Atlas doesn't feel too good to me, maybe if it were 1 mana I'd probably throw that in too but as is I'll pass. Humble Defector my current meta isn't super into playing nice politics so I haven't considered this, also the lack of abusable ETB makes me lean against it. I'll probably talk more on my meta at the end of the comment. As for Ignite the Future and Light Up the Stage they have been kinda on a watchlist, the list I'm working on is gonna look to make big plays with a handful of x cost spells so the flashback with Ignite the Future is less spicy in that sense but still a card I'm looking into playtesting a bit.
Moving on to the Ramp suggestions Curse of Opulence seems nice and I will definitely consider it as I change Norin up to keep it feeling a bit more fresh. Dockside Extortionist I haven't picked up yet because I support my LGS as much as possible and they ones I frequent the most haven't had any in stock when I've been there, and the one time they did - money was a factor. As for the crypt and the gauntlet, I have been playing magic for 20 some years now so many of the pricey cards weren't so pricey when I got them and also have had a healthy local trading market. Yes Myriad Landscape is too slow for my liking. You are correct in your assumption that I am not running Ruby Medallion because of the high amount of artifacts I'm running. It will likely be reconsidered. Sword of the Animist seems kinda good on paper, but my meta likes to do lots of spell casting on other peoples turns so I feel bad spending 2 to equip only to have someone cast a spell and make Norin go away. Oh, and as for Gauntlet of Power and Caged Sun both are going in with my next big change so stay tuned lol.
Utility & Misc. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is good, I'll consider it but not sure where to fit it in, also she will never live to see her -7 in my meta. Dualcaster Mage wasn't considered because I'm only running 9 sorcery and 1 instant and most of them not super great to duplicate, my new list may change this so I may come back and reconsider. Sunbird's Invocation seems perfect for the new list I'm cooking up, thank you! I will definitely play test that. Blast Zone just seems meh, I don't like the XX cost, I haven't found too many enchantments I've wanted to remove and when I do I make them artifacts and destroy them or take them. Flametongue Kavu and Inferno Titan just seem too expensive for what they do, the Kavu being limited to creatures is a bummer imo. Terror of the Peaks should go on to replace Warstorm Surge I'll have to look into that. And lastly Zealous Conscripts used to be in the deck along with a Goblin Recruiter and Moggcatcher and every game was basically the same, tutor for kiki and either gamble or wheel into zealous it felt boring and I didn't enjoy playing it. Might make a return one day in the right meta.
As for your synergy suggestion, I would add it but my new list is actually going to omit Mind's Eye.
Now for my meta... well I currently find myself in limbo as just a few weeks ago my group had a bit of a falling out. Basically, one of my friends became the direct boss of others in the group and he had to let one of them go from the company during covid lockdowns and it just created a lot of bad blood. Drama aside, we had some people showing up with cEDH decks when others were playing intentionally suboptimal decks and only one other person would play nice politics with me so it was kind of difficult at times. Ridiculous amounts of removal, both targeted and mass, so I typically felt somewhat okay running a bit light on that. Also with reds artifact hate and the ability to turn things into artifacts I never really felt disadvantaged.
As I said a few times I am making some changes and I'll be adding things like Firecat Blitz and Tempt with Vengeance to dump a mass amount of creatures in at once for those warstorm/pandemonium effects. I am currently focusing primarily on a new Alesha, Who Smiles at Death deck that you may enjoy, I hope to get it up and made public in the next two or three days. And if you enjoyed this Norin deck for it's low cmc curve you may enjoy the Alesha deck because it's even lower!
Thank you again for taking interest and thanks for the upvote. All of these suggestions are appreciated. :) I hope you have a great weekend.
6 months ago
7 months ago
seshiro_of_the_orochi Thank you for the complement. I am still in the planning stages of the deck. I have yet to go out and buy any of the cards (mostly because I just bought a house). Assault Suit was considered, however I would have to suit up one of my creatures and give it away. If I could suit up an opponents' creature like I can with Bloodthirsty Blade , than it would be an auto include, but sadly Wizards won't let me equip cards to my opponents' creatures. I really considered Varragoth, Bloodsky Sire for the deck as I could use Varragoth to attack open opponents and tutor up with I need or have someone else do search for answers we need, but I feel I would never get to use Varragoth for people would remove Varragoth instantly. Single target removal has been increasing lately and Varragoth is a prime target.
YourNeighborhoodGhost Thank you for the suggestions. I couldn't remember or find the Tempt with Vengeance or Rite of the Raging Storm cards, but I knew they existed. I want to add Massacre Wurm to the deck. Tombstone Stairwell would be a nice gift card, but the cumulative upkeep is turning me off of it. Awaken the Erstwhile would make me discard, and I hate to lose my resources. I could play it when I have no hand or cards I don't need, but that's too situational. I see no point in running Deathbringer Thoctar in this deck. Yes it will get massive fast, and can ping by ditching a counter, but by the time I can actually do massive damage with it, the game should be over by then. Six mana is a lot for a 3/3 body for this deck.
7 months ago
just some ideas im running in my thantis deck: Tombstone Stairwell , Awaken the Erstwhile , Deathbringer Thoctar , Tempt with Vengeance , Massacre Wurm , Rite of the Raging Storm could fit. btw nice deck
9 months ago
I feel like this deck might benefit from some token generation--giving you something easy to sac: Brudiclad, Telchor Engineer, Hullbreacher, Thopter Spy Network, Dockside Extortionist, Tempt with Vengeance, Curse of Opulence, Gadrak, the Crown-Scourge, Pitiless Plunderer, Smothering Tithe, Revel in Riches, Brass's Bounty
10 months ago
I like coming up with infinite combos and sometimes I wind up with an infinite combo that makes endless colorless mana. I want to know what card is best for sinking all that mana into? While I'm aware that I can use a card like Gemstone Array to make infinite colored mana or I could use a card like Staff of Domination to draw multiple cards, I instead want one card along with my infinite colorless mana and limited color mana to close out the game by doing any of the following:
-Dealing infinite damage to all opponents.
-Causing infinite life loss to all opponents.
-Creating infinite creature tokens with haste.
-Forcing all opponents to draw out their decks.
-Exiling all opponents' libraries.
-Forcing all opponents into a "lose the game" condition.
-Meeting a "win the game" condition.
I don't consider traditional mill to be a viable way to consistently win the game. Creating infinite tokens without haste I also view as not consistent enough as it gives each opponent the chance to react. Furthermore, infinite life gain isn't viable as commander damage exists.
Of course, without a doubt, Walking Ballista is the clear favorite solution to win the game being able to fit in any deck given its colorless color identity. That being said, I made this thread wanting to know what secondary back-ups would be an apt replacement for Walking Ballista if by some chance it is countered or exiled.
Here are some cards I came up with that work, but I'd like to know from others if I missed any that could do better than these: Aurelia's Fury,, Bloodrite Invoker,, Cogwork Assembler,, Comet Storm,, Conflagrate,, Cut / Ribbons,, Debt to the Deathless,, Dimensional Infiltrator,, Essence Depleter,, Exsanguinate,, Fanning the Flames,, Fireball,, Firecat Blitz,, Goblin Cannon,, Goblin Festival,, Helix Pinnacle,, Oona, Queen of the Fae,, Rolling Thunder,, Tempt with Vengeance,, Torment of Hailfire and Valakut Invoker.
I didn't include any cards that could possibly turn the game into a draw, but I'm still looking for more cards that suit the criteria I've put out.
11 months ago
yo, Just leaving this here to recommend some cards I would think about upgrading first.
all of these are kinda weak in your deck. Here are some of my recommendations
-Oracle of Mul Daya (I know he's expensive)
-Crucible of Worlds (I also know this is expensive)
-Second Harvest (this is more of a meme card than anything)
-Xenagos, the Reveler (if you still want to include some planeswalkers I think xenagos is better than the other two you have)
-Radha, Heart of Keld (She is new and pretty cheap as well. playing lands from your library is basically drawing cards)
-Lithoform Engine (This is another meme card)