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Tempt with Vengeance
Tempting offer — Put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield. Each opponent may put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield. For each player who does, put X 1/1 red Elemental creature tokens with haste onto the battlefield.
2 weeks ago
Tempt with Vengeance is a good X spell. Opponents will almost never copy it.
Cursed Mirror is a good value mana rock for red.
Check out my deck you can see my mana for mono red. Hyperbolic Genesis Chamber Norin
3 weeks ago
Amazing deck! I did not realise there was someone before me with this idea, and I love how your deck is looking. Cards to consider for your Maybeboard: Acorn Catapult, Death by Dragons, Elephant Resurgence, Kamahl's Summons, Plague of Vermin, Tempt with Vengeance, Artifact Mutation, Dowsing Dagger Flip, Curse of Disturbance, Liege of the Hollows, Sawtusk Demolisher, Akroan Horse, Hungry Lynx, Life of the Party, Sleeper Agent, Tahngarth, First Mate and lets not forget the "Hunted" cycle with Hunted Horror, Hunted Dragon and Hunted Troll
4 months ago
carpecanum Thanks for the suggestions!
Stolen Strategy can certainly lend itself to some fun games, and I'd highly consider it if I were building a "fun" deck. This deck is just meant to be fast, strong, and consistent. I would never play Zada if I wanted to have fun...it's just too linear and repetitive. Stolen Strategy is the kind of card that can keep you from running out of steam, but if Zada loses momentum it'll take more than random spells to save the game in the kind of meta I'm designing for with this deck. Fun card though!!!
Snake Basket seems slow to me. It would be useful with infinite mana, but that's really rare in this deck. For my "get creatures on the field" cards, I usually look at the mana-to-body ratio. A 1-1 ratio is pretty good up to 3 creatures, and past that it tends to be an extra mana because everything is contained in one card. So 5 mana for 4 bodies would be good. Snake basket has a loss of 4 mana, and most of the time I won't be able to create enough tokens for it to be worth it. See something like Tempt with Vengeance for a great example of a "create x" spell.
Mob Rule seems amazing in concert with Battle Hymn. I don't know how often I'll have the mana to cast it but I definitely think it's worth testing!
4 months ago
NTakamura I didn't consider that being attacked was actually part of the goal. If that's the case keep on keeping on.
Some of the first that jumped to my mind were Kazuul, Tyrant of the Cliffs and Varchild, Betrayer of Kjeldor. As Kazuul wants to be attacked and Varchild gives out lots of tokens just by existing while protecting you. Those, however, are monocolored. Still options for the 99.
Karazikar, the Eye Tyrant is pretty solid but I'd edge more towards Kardur, Doomscourge. He goads your opponents every ETB. Combine that with some of the already mentioned cards and Rite of the Raging Storm, Goblin Spymaster, and Tempt with Vengeance. Among others. You could actually drop the lifegain or with cards like Exquisite Blood and Whip of Erebos keep it going.
As a final offering Basandra, Battle Seraph allows you to force attacks like the Rakdos options but keeps attacking you open. I think the hardest part of this strategy is going to be forcing attacks. Particularly if you don't use red. Up to you of course and I think Teysa works well too.
6 months ago
Purphoros is a really strong choice for a commander. Personally I would take advantage of his ability by running more token generating cards. These would be my swaps:
Flame Spill -> Elemental Mastery
Expedition Map -> Mind Stone (Mind Stone gets Purphoros out faster)
Archwing Dragon -> Chancellor of the Forge
Red Elemental Blast -> Firecat Blitz
Drakuseth, Maw of Flames -> Neheb, the Eternal
Bombard -> Tempt with Vengeance
Dragon's Approach -> Thatcher Revolt
Moltne Influence -> Rally the Horde
Lambholt Raconteur -> Tilonalli's Summoner
Arclight Phoenix -> Warchief Giant
Greater Gargadon -> Norin the Wary
Fling -> Hordeling Outburst
Staggershock -> Mogg War Marshal
Captivating Crew -> Grinning Ignus
Bloodsworn Steward -> Torbran, Thane of Red Fell
Cleansing Screech -> Panharmonicon
6 months ago
I very much enjoy anything that happens after players allow me to play/keep one of my 'signature cards' around. These may not be the most powerful cards ever, but I love them and will bend a game in half if I'm allowed them in the right circumstance.
Most recently, tapped out for pet card Tempt with Vengeance during my turn with a pile of good stuff in play. Had a Cryptolith Rite along for the ride. Opponent went to board clear. Was able to instant speed respond thanks to Alchemist's Refuge by casting a Reef Worm + Echoing Equation. Everyone was dead by massive fish damage the next turn.
1 year ago
I've decided to swap Tempt with Vengeance out for Mishra's Self-Replicator as a way to generate tokens. It should be fairly easy to trigger, and has an interesting interaction with my 2 mutate creatures as well.
By the way, all my games so far with this deck have been a blast.
1 year ago
Thank you so much for your interest in my deck and this thorough suggestion list and comment. So starting off with the draw you suggested, I kinda missed War Room , I am currently making up a list of things I want to change and I'm slightly changing up the pacing and direction and will be adding more draw. So War Room will definitely be one on the list. Tome of Legends is on my list already so thank you for confirmation on a good draw, especially with Norin popping in and out every turn. I don't know why but Endless Atlas doesn't feel too good to me, maybe if it were 1 mana I'd probably throw that in too but as is I'll pass. Humble Defector my current meta isn't super into playing nice politics so I haven't considered this, also the lack of abusable ETB makes me lean against it. I'll probably talk more on my meta at the end of the comment. As for Ignite the Future and Light Up the Stage they have been kinda on a watchlist, the list I'm working on is gonna look to make big plays with a handful of x cost spells so the flashback with Ignite the Future is less spicy in that sense but still a card I'm looking into playtesting a bit.
Moving on to the Ramp suggestions Curse of Opulence seems nice and I will definitely consider it as I change Norin up to keep it feeling a bit more fresh. Dockside Extortionist I haven't picked up yet because I support my LGS as much as possible and they ones I frequent the most haven't had any in stock when I've been there, and the one time they did - money was a factor. As for the crypt and the gauntlet, I have been playing magic for 20 some years now so many of the pricey cards weren't so pricey when I got them and also have had a healthy local trading market. Yes Myriad Landscape is too slow for my liking. You are correct in your assumption that I am not running Ruby Medallion because of the high amount of artifacts I'm running. It will likely be reconsidered. Sword of the Animist seems kinda good on paper, but my meta likes to do lots of spell casting on other peoples turns so I feel bad spending 2 to equip only to have someone cast a spell and make Norin go away. Oh, and as for Gauntlet of Power and Caged Sun both are going in with my next big change so stay tuned lol.
Utility & Misc. Chandra, Torch of Defiance is good, I'll consider it but not sure where to fit it in, also she will never live to see her -7 in my meta. Dualcaster Mage wasn't considered because I'm only running 9 sorcery and 1 instant and most of them not super great to duplicate, my new list may change this so I may come back and reconsider. Sunbird's Invocation seems perfect for the new list I'm cooking up, thank you! I will definitely play test that. Blast Zone just seems meh, I don't like the XX cost, I haven't found too many enchantments I've wanted to remove and when I do I make them artifacts and destroy them or take them. Flametongue Kavu and Inferno Titan just seem too expensive for what they do, the Kavu being limited to creatures is a bummer imo. Terror of the Peaks should go on to replace Warstorm Surge I'll have to look into that. And lastly Zealous Conscripts used to be in the deck along with a Goblin Recruiter and Moggcatcher and every game was basically the same, tutor for kiki and either gamble or wheel into zealous it felt boring and I didn't enjoy playing it. Might make a return one day in the right meta.
As for your synergy suggestion, I would add it but my new list is actually going to omit Mind's Eye.
Now for my meta... well I currently find myself in limbo as just a few weeks ago my group had a bit of a falling out. Basically, one of my friends became the direct boss of others in the group and he had to let one of them go from the company during covid lockdowns and it just created a lot of bad blood. Drama aside, we had some people showing up with cEDH decks when others were playing intentionally suboptimal decks and only one other person would play nice politics with me so it was kind of difficult at times. Ridiculous amounts of removal, both targeted and mass, so I typically felt somewhat okay running a bit light on that. Also with reds artifact hate and the ability to turn things into artifacts I never really felt disadvantaged.
As I said a few times I am making some changes and I'll be adding things like Firecat Blitz and Tempt with Vengeance to dump a mass amount of creatures in at once for those warstorm/pandemonium effects. I am currently focusing primarily on a new Alesha, Who Smiles at Death deck that you may enjoy, I hope to get it up and made public in the next two or three days. And if you enjoyed this Norin deck for it's low cmc curve you may enjoy the Alesha deck because it's even lower!
Thank you again for taking interest and thanks for the upvote. All of these suggestions are appreciated. :) I hope you have a great weekend.